I really dislike the interview-style introductions/comments and the way the story is told alongside them. They…
As a Ji Chang Wook fan, I agree. I also don’t care for the FL character, although their chemistry is undeniable, the ‘persona’ is really not my cup of tea.
Koreans should not imitate worthless american productions. Totally disaster. Chang Wook are you okay?
I think you’re talking cinematography and I agree. Also since ponnu spoiled the ending and didn’t mark his/her post as a « spoiler » (edit : thanks ponnu for checking « spoiler » after reading my comment, that’s considerate of you) there’s really no need for me to keep on watching this. JCW is like my biggest crush and even I can’t bring myself to continue. Netflix bought/produced it probably because it appeals more to a western crowd ? Don’t know, don’t care. I’m dropping it.
PLEASE DONT READ IF YOU LOVED THE DRAMA. Not trying to ruin the mood.
I’m writing for those who are on the fence.
The woman in waaaaayyyyyy too weak. Even in old classics like Kim Sam Soon, women were stronger than that. From the beginning she gives in. She accepts the role before the toxic writer even apologizes. She praises that same fool in an article, announcing she’ll star in his show when he literally disrespected her in front of a journalist. Now he wants total access to a room to HER house ? Like, dude, if you really wanna save that show you will find the strength to write wherever you are at some point. Joo-in reminds me of a friend I used to have who could never set boundaries, and ended up with a jerk just like Bi-soo. Only difference is, it’s everything but « cute » in real life. She became his total servant. That show triggered me so much from the beginning that I dropped it early.
Not just the women but the men too. As a whole it needs to improve for everyone.
@ Nonie - "Do you think you can out troll me?" - Definitely not. That is the one thing you didn't have to mention for others to notice : you're a troll, trolling away. LOL So no I can't "out troll" you cause I'm not about that BS especially when it comes to serious subjects. But typical trolls like you are angry chihuahuas : triggered, emotional, obnoxious. You've already been called out anyway for your inability to debate with calm and maturity. But thanks for proving my point sweetheart. And joking about the coronavirus is very smart. A "lion move" I guess LMAO! Carry on.
EDIT : Nonie, I see you deleted all your posts. Take care during self-quarantine!!
Not just the women but the men too. As a whole it needs to improve for everyone.
@ Nonie - LMAO you were triggered from your first response, going all over the place with your unrealistic comparisons. All you exhibited was victimhood, misandry, arrogance, attitude, and emotional instability. Like I said, smart people don't have to mention they are smart - it's obvious. Just like powerful males and females don't have to wear the t-shirt - they're obvious. A lion doesn't NEED to roar to be instantly recognized as one - he's obvious. Just because a confused chihuaha barks angrily doesn't mean it is fooling anyone into thinking they’re dealing with a lion. You still look sound and act like a confused chihuaha sweetie. Being less angry means being less into your feelings and more collected and objective. Something you're going to have to learn, poor thing.
Not just the women but the men too. As a whole it needs to improve for everyone.
@ Nonie - Your analogy makes you even more illogical than I thought. Dear Ms All Knowing Professor aka Queen of the Universe, your delusions of grandeur explain why you can't be taken seriously when it comes to discussions. As I said before and I'm not the only one, you're overly emotional. And a bully at that, elevating yourself to hide the fact that besides playing the victim card, you have proven nothing. Be less angry, and less of a crybaby. If you were really that impressive it would show. Smart people don't have to tell others that they are smart. A lion doesn't need to roar for others to notice that it is one. Have a good week sweetheart.
Not just the women but the men too. As a whole it needs to improve for everyone.
@ Nonie - Makes perfect sense why your comebacks are so weak, and why you were already called out under this very article by someone else (Pretty Car Eye). Since you refuse to try to understand your opponent's perspective, you're a terrible and immature communicator, all that matters is "me me me what I think what I believe". You will never grow with that mindset. You are illogical, overtly emotional which is why you don't read cause it easily triggers you, narrow-minded and poisoned with a victim mentality. And because all fails you resort to try and insult others. Pathetic. You're stuck in your bubble and avoid being challenged like a spoiled brat. But the world doesn't revolve around you. Have a good one sweetie.
Not just the women but the men too. As a whole it needs to improve for everyone.
@ Nonie - Sweetie YOU HAVE NO CLUE about my life, I left a lot of details precisely because I don't freaking want to share a lot of it for reasons I just can't ignore. But if you only knew who you were interacting with. Trust that I have more experience than you. Let me post again what I posted in my previous comment about South Korea that YOU CONVENIENTLY overlooked : " women have access to education, politics, sports, voting and everything men have access to"... where did I lie ? There are no female lawyer and journalist in that country ? No athletes ? No surgeon ? No president ? That alone should make you question the Ghana closeness in the studies, GOODNESS.
I stated something about studies but obviously YOU DID NOT READ and just went on an emotional rant instead of sticking to real life reality. You decided to paint the same old "Korea/ Asia is bad for women" narrative. It's all bull. The people make a culture therefore my experience as a woman with men of that country matters and has value, no matter how much you despise it. You lived with a Korean family, good. Did they enslave you, since you're a "mere woman" ? I dated and dealt with THE MEN - the ones said to be responsible for all women's problems. That's worth more than unverifiable numbers/studies that you cling to. FACTS about the country that I listed, that everyone can verify for themselves, are worth more than studies that leave out many factors.
The bottomline is, having a female printed on bills, electing a female president, and cultural elements created by women RECOGNIZED by the country show that your victimhood mentality is just that victimhood, and doesn't work. Some countries are not NEARLY as bad for women as the propagandists love to paint.
Not just the women but the men too. As a whole it needs to improve for everyone.
@ Nonie - Sweetie, you are talking about a country where most men elected a female president, a country where women take a day of menstrual leave per month, a country where most women go to postnatal care centers for a month at least, PAID BY THEIR HUSBANDS. A country where the most expensive won bill has a woman on it, a country where the female authors and poetesses have been recognized throughout history. This is a country where female students travel far more than their male counterparts, trip financed mainly by DADDY. I have dated korean dudes, that is worth more than any stats you attempt to throw my face. REALITY IS that SK elected a woman before the USA, one of the most so-called "pro-woman" western countries in the world. The dynamics of korean family is that generally the mothers or wives control everything in a man's life, including his money. I find that the men are treated like bank accounts without a soul in that culture. So I don't care about the so called stats you bring up - everyone can find studies matching their opinions because studies are seldom objective, and a LOT OF MAJOR FACTORS are not mentioned to the readers, The difference is MY opinion is an informed one rooted in a reality that I have lived. Yes Korean and Taiwanese women (president is female), are LUCKIER than their western sisters. You brought up parliament numbers, equality doesn't mean equal in numbers... but in CHANCES. If in SK women want to be less involved in politics than in Iceland then of course only 17% will constitute the parliament. Everything doesn't have to be 50% of women in every country in the world because the cultures, mindsets and priorities are DIFFERENT. Thank you.
South Korea is neither Yemen, Pakistan nor Saudi Arabia. Talk about going off on a tangent. The list you gave is a list of countries riddled with MISOGYNY. Biologically, men will always have to carry a family, women get pregnant and need assistance in that vulnerable moment in their lives, and at some point need to stop working, so patriarchy benefits women, and so does hypergamy. MISOGYNY is the hatred of women - gang rapes, killings of women, and underage girls married all reflect the HATRED of our gender. Patriarchy is men taking the lead, being a leader doesn't mean being a tyrant, a good leader guides and serves. The USA is patriarchal, and so is South Korea, yet women have access to education, politics, sports, voting and everything men have access to in those two countries. I hope you learn the difference, cause your anger is totally misdirected.
Not just the women but the men too. As a whole it needs to improve for everyone.
Agreed. Jong-hyun from SHINee comes to mind.
To be fair, Korea had a FEMALE PRESIDENT in 2012. Korean women for the most part are much better off than the average western woman. They must still face mysoginy and inequality because they are women in a mysoginistic world (patriarchy itself is not the problem, mysoginy is), but not to the same degree as women in so-called "feminist western countries" do. In my country, women have a feministic image but are treated poorly. In Asia, it's the other way around, weak and submissive image, very strong and powerful actually.
I also think in our era the biggest reason mysoginy is still strong is because women are mysoginistic themselves. How many women around you do you know that respect and cheer up women, see themselves as equal in value ? Don't clown other women for their appearance, don't blame women only for a cheating husband, don't assume that if a woman got raped she somehow asked for it, don't think that a battered woman staying with her abuser must love the abuse? How many women do you know refuse to defend and cover their brothers if they're pricks, or raise their sons NOT to be a burden to women ? Or....... how many women do you know refuse to financially support a KNOWN mysoginistic artist, whether through his art or due to his personal life ? You have korean male celebs that have a dark reputation or past that they never apologized for, still making it big, and most of their supporters are women. At some point, can we only blame men, when women build their careers ? Women too feed mysoginy, I wish we acknowledged that. It doesn't mean we should blindly defend and excuse a woman just because she's one, but it means we need to recognize the times we excuse and defend a man just because he's a man.
In other words, putting either gender on a pedestal will either make you a mysoginist or a misandrist. Women tend to be mysoginists, and grow up to be adults, never facing this poison in them. Choose to be as fair as possible, with others and yourself. Easier said than done, but eventually doable.
Your views on other people's issues are very simplistic. It's always easier to solve everyone else's problems.…
Depression is a mental condition. People don't commit suicide out of boredom. Abuse is very common in this industry, and you'd probably want to die to in her shoes. Just because you've never been in her situation, doesn't give you the right to be so disrespectful and dismissive. If rich people kill themselves (which she wasn't) that goes to show that money has nothing to do with it. You're not the friend to call in times of great depression,
Gotta be stronger, suicide is never the right way and an insult to your parents and ancestors. If life sucks that…
Your views on other people's issues are very simplistic. It's always easier to solve everyone else's problems. You don't know how she grew up, and if abuse was not involved, to which degree and for how long. Not to mention, most celebs are broke (lots of debts). This is not something to take lightly especially when nobody is immune. Life has a way of making you eat your words when you cross the line. Some people live traumatic experiences behind closed doors that you could never imagine.
I hate the facts that the government or people in general close their eyes on these important topics ‘Mental…
Unfortunately this epidemic has a lot to do with modern mindsets, although I believe mental health matters (therapy has helped me tremendously). When mental health treatments didn't exist at all, weren't even a thought yet, there were far less suicides. And agencies, eastern or western, never cared for celebrities. They are exploited and viewed as products generating profit. Their artists' mental health doesn't matter. Nobody cared about Amy Winehouse, Whitney Houston or Robbin Williams.
I’m writing for those who are on the fence.
The woman in waaaaayyyyyy too weak. Even in old classics like Kim Sam Soon, women were stronger than that. From the beginning she gives in. She accepts the role before the toxic writer even apologizes. She praises that same fool in an article, announcing she’ll star in his show when he literally disrespected her in front of a journalist. Now he wants total access to a room to HER house ? Like, dude, if you really wanna save that show you will find the strength to write wherever you are at some point. Joo-in reminds me of a friend I used to have who could never set boundaries, and ended up with a jerk just like Bi-soo. Only difference is, it’s everything but « cute » in real life. She became his total servant. That show triggered me so much from the beginning that I dropped it early.
EDIT : Nonie, I see you deleted all your posts. Take care during self-quarantine!!
I stated something about studies but obviously YOU DID NOT READ and just went on an emotional rant instead of sticking to real life reality. You decided to paint the same old "Korea/ Asia is bad for women" narrative. It's all bull. The people make a culture therefore my experience as a woman with men of that country matters and has value, no matter how much you despise it. You lived with a Korean family, good. Did they enslave you, since you're a "mere woman" ? I dated and dealt with THE MEN - the ones said to be responsible for all women's problems. That's worth more than unverifiable numbers/studies that you cling to. FACTS about the country that I listed, that everyone can verify for themselves, are worth more than studies that leave out many factors.
The bottomline is, having a female printed on bills, electing a female president, and cultural elements created by women RECOGNIZED by the country show that your victimhood mentality is just that victimhood, and doesn't work. Some countries are not NEARLY as bad for women as the propagandists love to paint.
Have a good one sweetie !!
South Korea is neither Yemen, Pakistan nor Saudi Arabia. Talk about going off on a tangent. The list you gave is a list of countries riddled with MISOGYNY. Biologically, men will always have to carry a family, women get pregnant and need assistance in that vulnerable moment in their lives, and at some point need to stop working, so patriarchy benefits women, and so does hypergamy. MISOGYNY is the hatred of women - gang rapes, killings of women, and underage girls married all reflect the HATRED of our gender. Patriarchy is men taking the lead, being a leader doesn't mean being a tyrant, a good leader guides and serves. The USA is patriarchal, and so is South Korea, yet women have access to education, politics, sports, voting and everything men have access to in those two countries. I hope you learn the difference, cause your anger is totally misdirected.
To be fair, Korea had a FEMALE PRESIDENT in 2012. Korean women for the most part are much better off than the average western woman. They must still face mysoginy and inequality because they are women in a mysoginistic world (patriarchy itself is not the problem, mysoginy is), but not to the same degree as women in so-called "feminist western countries" do. In my country, women have a feministic image but are treated poorly. In Asia, it's the other way around, weak and submissive image, very strong and powerful actually.
I also think in our era the biggest reason mysoginy is still strong is because women are mysoginistic themselves. How many women around you do you know that respect and cheer up women, see themselves as equal in value ? Don't clown other women for their appearance, don't blame women only for a cheating husband, don't assume that if a woman got raped she somehow asked for it, don't think that a battered woman staying with her abuser must love the abuse? How many women do you know refuse to defend and cover their brothers if they're pricks, or raise their sons NOT to be a burden to women ? Or....... how many women do you know refuse to financially support a KNOWN mysoginistic artist, whether through his art or due to his personal life ? You have korean male celebs that have a dark reputation or past that they never apologized for, still making it big, and most of their supporters are women. At some point, can we only blame men, when women build their careers ? Women too feed mysoginy, I wish we acknowledged that. It doesn't mean we should blindly defend and excuse a woman just because she's one, but it means we need to recognize the times we excuse and defend a man just because he's a man.
In other words, putting either gender on a pedestal will either make you a mysoginist or a misandrist. Women tend to be mysoginists, and grow up to be adults, never facing this poison in them. Choose to be as fair as possible, with others and yourself. Easier said than done, but eventually doable.