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No one made you moderator, nor were my comments disrespect. Instead learn to read the disrespectful response and accusations that i was weirdly aggressive. If one cannot carry out a discussion properly or list valid points while resorting to insults or labeling, then regardless if one is new or old to the comments sections they should be rightfully reprimanded.

You can also choose to leave or report my posts as you deem fit. But im here all day so deal with it.

No grapefruit scenes?

Thats exactly my entire point, each character brings a purpose. There is no need to add beyond what its purpose is meant to be.

A drama purpose is to also first entertain, hook and keep viewers watching.

When this drama discussion timeline happens or started has no impact on my opinions and view point. Doesnt mean i am early or late will affect my judgment on this obvious love triangle from the start. Since I went into watching this drama knowing that theres always going to be love triangle dont matter how it starts or what FL is like, IT is going to happen:)

I have no issues with the events that happens in this drama, i have no desire to change character's purpose.

As for seojun and soojin role, again I come into this drama not having expectations or how they should develop. Even thou i like soojin early character, i also understood and defended her changes into a betraying villain.

Likewise for seojun early character which was not desirable to watch, but understood, saw his growth and redemption arc.

2 more episodes to go, what more can i want for a great and enjoyable series ride? Even if its an open ending where 4 of them are not together, theres no complains here only hope and expectations for a season 2.

I am weirdly aggressive or not, is clearly not the point of discussion here. But since you felt like that will be a good starting response by bringing up baseless accusations. So you are clearly not expecting a polite response.

But your reply did not state your crying point, was it due to the fact that jukyung doesnt know seojun was talking about her? You felt sad that she is this oblivious?

Or for seojun, whom you said to often not speak his mind and then only to spend precious single moments with FL, just to confess his feelings but yet beat around the bush and hides his intention with hidden words. If these are touching points or made you cry, it must said that you are an emotionally weak person.

Also seojun spoke his mind alright when he clearly tormented suho with his accusations. So your point that seojun doesnt speak his mind is null.

Seojun also had many countless opportunities to confess yet didnt, this went on for a time line of maybe 3 years until maybe in episode 15. I mean when a character can chicken out of confessing to the one he loves for 3 years, even seeks permission from suho and preaches about moving on, this is just ironic.

When you say audiences you speak for everyone? Because it was not interesting for me, its just weak.

My translation of that event, he is a hesitating coward. If he isnt going to say it, why bother dragging her away from a possible date with suho and yet didnt confess.

The whole point of confessing is to make known ones feelings to the other party. Clearly you or seojun doesnt know what a confession is supposed to be like.

It depends what the thread comment was all about.

Unless you can explain to me the emotional trigger point of seojun asking jukyung out, cos it seemed too trifle to cry over.

wait what? why? cry over seo jun inviting jukyung out? You must have felt so touched that suho even allowed jukyung to meet seo jun knowing that he was going to confess. Yet what does seojun do? chicken out ... maybe thats why you cried.

So on purpose again what does the ju young brother romance adds? how about hee gyung and grapefruit romance? all these doesnt add whatever purpose to jukyung growth but it is part of true beauty world. That is what made true beauty good.

From the poster its already 3 characters and you are expecting there not to be a love triangle. That's like buying coke and hoping that it will tastes like beer. So maybe your expectations were already wrong going into this series. See how contradicting that is?

You keep going round and round insisting that those 2 so called main leads should deserve better, but I rather see more of what happens in true beauty world than their story. They had their roles and it was sufficient to drive the story and plot.

You are ironically being repetitive by saying deserve better or should be more. Especially when Seojun character is already set both in webtoon and drama to have a crush on FL yet you again rather he just move along and not be as such, this is your better execution? If he doesnt have a crush on FL, should he just disappear from the series?

Me salty? I am never salty in any of such drama discussions. At the end of the day its just discussions, I do see the view of others but likewise I will provide another perception. We can disagree, we can debate but I am not cussing or salty or will lose sleep over such discussions.

When fans feels that a character deserves better, it is also recognition that that character has sufficient depth to generate such attachments.

But to deserve better or not when the drama hasnt even ended or ending revealed, that's just next level of obsessing and demanding . What exactly is seojun ending in this drama? no one can say for sure right now. However till episode 14, seojun has served his purpose in this drama and obviously gained fans for his acting in his role.

It is always easy to complain, rant, demand for favorite characters changes or fight for its justice. But for me, in a drama watching process, I see the objectives, role purpose, the storylines, the acting etc. I just enjoy the ride or I will drop the drama.

Making logical challenges to character roles are of course the typical discussions around dramas, but when those character roles serves no further purpose to the plot, then it becomes unnecessary and swings towards fandom. That is what I am trying to say here.

On 2nd male lead trope, let me tell you if you had watch "dear mayang street", the 2nd male lead got the FL, but that series got cuss out in china. Dramas are also about profit, if the general viewers cannot accept, the ratings drop. Seeing how true beauty has done so well proves that such trope is still effective, if its not broken dont fix it applies.

I know what I saw in the preview, but coming here and seeing all the seojun fans just gushing and throwing confetti's is just gut wrenching to witness. Like its a different reality or I had watched something different from them. Thus I choose to participate in the discussion and challenge the logic.

Also to be honest, I had watched the drama because I was interested in Cha eun woo's career, I did not read the webtoon until episode 4 of this drama. So to say that the webtoon drove the popularity of this drama is exaggerated.

Without seojun and soojin, the drama wouldnt had the events that it had. This lead role discussion is just unnecessary, they are there for a purpose, they have served the story's purpose. Why is there a need to glorify their existence? When this series is really not about them?

I think they did a good job in their roles as required by the drama and that is an open and close case.

While you are kept trying to say these 2 roles requires more depth, which I feel defeats the entire purpose and plot of the drama.

When you choose to compare the story of 4 main leads in run on vs the 4 main leads in true beauty that is already fundamentality wrong. Because the story of run on is actually about the 4 leads, while the story of true beauty is about jukyung.

Therefore your direction and thought process for the need of 2 fleshed out soojin and seojun is wrong. Because to flesh them out you will need to add alot of their families scenes, history, emotions and thought process. When really I just want to focus on Jukyung.

This deserves better is another imaginary friend, I mean seojun role is already defined in this drama but I keep seeing deserve better, like why? Its really not about seojun. Shall we just insert a character for seojun to love deservingly? Is seojun really the main lead here or is this story about jukyung?

Here's what I think seojun fans should do, they should just contribute money and produce a drama called Truly Seojun. So in that drama, you have seojun dancing, singing, fighting and doing all the cool stuffs for 16 episodes.

So when jukyung put her head on the table first, she must be more comfortable with the table than her friends. I am not sure if you have been drunk before, but in a state of drunkenness', the head goes anywhere and wherever.

Again the mentally ill comparison is used from the webtoon, why would you keep making webtoon references and forcing it onto the drama like its a fact? When discussing drama events, stick to what is shown in scene and drama, else its just pointless.

There is no denying that this drama is an adaption from the webtoon, but like i have mentioned, many dramas have been adapted from various sources, its not a reflection, its just an adaption. In terms of adaption, what the drama chooses to adapt or not does not come from the webtoon author.

The story and plot is of the webtoon, but I am not sure how to make people understand that how the drama adapts it is entirely up to them. There are also dramas that's adapted from novels and have completely different endings to the novel, its possible. So the webtoon DOES NOT control the drama's ending either.

"Him leaving and then Seojun taking care of Jugyeon but getting nothing in return because she’ll probably choose Suho doesn’t sit right with me"

This is not speculative when taking care is used. What is speculative is when jukyung will choose suho.

My rebuke is always on the issue of seojun "taking care" of jukyung as shown.

Its fine to use the webtoon as reference but again it is "taking care" he doesnt take care of jukyung, he was just always around as a friend, a support and that is because he got a crush on the girl.

I have no issues with speculations but not factual statements on actions that never happened in the drama, in this case it is "taking care"

Personally I am not sure how the drama will close with each character in the drama or what seojun fans thinks that he deserves in the drama.

I just dislike that taking care of a person or waiting long enough means love should be requited. In that case all nurses should have a long list of suitors.

I do not wish to discuss 2 different dramas here.
But with a given known content expectation of the webtoon, this drama has captured key points, convey the story and plot. Mission accomplished.

You are diving into drama roles and how certain characters should have more meaning and purpose in the drama. This is some drama thesis stuff. Like what scenes would you delete, what would you replace it with, how should it be done etc.

For me, I see their role, understand their purpose, focus on the story /plot main story line and if done well or not. Every character is there to help tell a story, if they had done their job, its justice done. I am just not going to deep dive into what their career goals, ambitions, dreams, daily habits, their interest, favourite shampoo, thought process, what they do at night or during their free time. Why? because that is not the story or plot.

Here is an example: word of true beauty drama, cut scenes into seojun washing his bike, thinking of what to have for lunch and where to find a part time job. How does that adds to the story or plot that is about mainly jukyung?

As much as I understand the need to flesh out characters, but what I am trying to say here is, characters only needs to be fleshed out as much as its purpose. Its not about justice its about necessity and tempo. A case of too much information can make a drama draggy and monotonous.

All I have seen in episode 14 is seojun appearing and she falls onto his shoulder in a drunken state. It would have been true that he is then taking care of her, when she is drunk, at least it becomes situational. When drunk, in dramas the head can fall on any surface. Be it lap, shoulder, toilet bowl or garbage bins, it does not mean the drunkard is comfortable with the toilet bowl, it just means they drunk.

This entire taking care of her for 2 yrs is just out of context from the drama aspect. Since we havent seen episode 15 nor understand her mental state. Then it becomes a "oh but in the webtoon...." when this is a drama comment. Yes its an adaption of the webtoon but the drama has yet to share such information.

Maybe if there were like 10 more episodes, then it deserves further exploration and development into how jukyung should pick seojun because of whatever sacrifices he has made for her.

eventually they will break up as per scenes in preview of episode 15, but he will return, so much remains of how this drama will close.

i want a clean closure but an open ending with hopes of season 2 might not be so bad either.

I think you should just re read what your starting thread statements are and not what the episodes or character has progressed into.

What I have seen is just a drunken jukyung putting her head on seojun shoulder. So thats taking care? a lamppost can also take care of a drunken jukyung then. Yes so he sends her back home in episode 15 but that is not taking care of for 2 yrs. This needs clear definition I feel.

You are also effectively bending the rules in the world of True beauty drama, when you say that time should be rewarded. Because in that world, time does not equates or demands or expect that love be requited.

Maybe for you as long as you stay beside someone long enough that person MUST fall in love with you.

Here's a better message that I feel the drama is trying to say:
"In reality fairness in love and romance is really an illusion, there will never be a true balance, because what you give, is more, is less, cannot be measured and should never have an expectance of equal return."

Please stop using the unfinished webtoon in comparison to the drama version just to justify what is going to happen. Its an adaption, not a reflection.

These 4 lead roles intertwined and it would be challenging to give each of them equal scene time, background, fleshing out etc. Their stories are not as straight forward as run on and there isnt a webtoon comparison plus the drama needed to add comedy elements.

With hundreds of chapters in the webtoon which is unfinished yet and only 16 episodes in the drama, there will always be scenes, background or lore that will be missing, this is a given.

So I am taking the drama for what it is and not as a comparison with the webtoon version. With just 16 episodes and to flesh out the 4 characters further will mean alot of diluting of other characters as well as the comedy elements. I am fine with the drama edition of how things are and I do not see seojun and soojin as characters without purpose but for being a third wheel as you have mentioned previously.

Main or support role doesnt matter, its just title, role and scene time, they have served their purpose for this drama, they have added value and gained recognition in their roles. How the script plays out is always a challenge for any webtoon /anime /novel adaption.

For a drama version, its never perfect or easy to fit everything but rather has it done its job to convey its story and plot. Another aspect of this is, do we really want to know that much about soojin and seojun thou? maybe for the fans of those characters, but really it adds no value to the actual story and to the ML and FL.

I mean you can debate or demand more fleshed out stories for certain casts, but at the end of the day, this was the decided version that was put out. On its face value, I would say the drama version has done well.

yet you see no wrong in seojin's wanting to confess to jukyung which is his friend's girlfriend just for closure. thats not my perception, its your exact statement :)

otoke otoke when i see so many comments of seojun taking care of jukyung otoke otoke, am i missing some scenes in my drama.

I am of a different option, I feel that a 2 yr time skip might show that true love stands the test of time. Maybe also show growth and maturity perhaps in the last 2 episodes? since it is a different time zone now.

Again I am very confused when comments like seojun "takes care" of jukyung for 2 yrs appears. We see none of that and jukyung looks to be fine, so where's the 2 yrs of taking care that everyone is seeing? Can we say soojin also takes care of suho for the last 10 yrs?

Being friends and around a person is kinda very different from "taking care" of someone. I see no scenes of seojun and jukyung staying together, or he has cooked 3 meals a day for her, or maybe helped her get into university, or maybe he sends her home everyday because jukyung has become a drunken alcoholic for the last 2 years?