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Same - especially the first time. Also, especially the second time. Mark was almost scary playing the dom.

Tar and Palm once again provide the only moving moments in an otherwise coma-inducing episode. Except I did watch the scene with Duean Yi's brother, even though Duean Yi was in it.

My only complaint is that Thitnuea's hair is a totally different color from shot to shot. I think light pink is very unflattering on him, but I love the red. It just seems like sloppy production continuity to me.

You're making a good point, but you can both have distinguishing hair styles AND make them look good. Pavel is so handsome, but that's a terrible style on him.

Is this really a slice of life? It seems like a standard and incredibly boring romance to me.

I'm not sure what you mean with the clothing. Everyone is wearing beige and grey - shifting from one dull and boring color to another dull and boring color doesn't symbolize anything for me - but I like symbolism, so if I'm missing something I'm happy to know what it is.

Whoever did the subtitkes probably should have put in a note about that. If you're reading in English that scene would be bizarre. I only know it because i edited subtitles for a series.

I didn't realize that until I edited subtitles for a BL. When they're calling each other P and Nong it's so cute.

English only has one form of address, which is the formal - "you" is actually plural (which is why it's "you are" instead of "you is". We used to have "thou", but it fell out of use for some reason, so you have to use a title to be polite & formal, like "sir" or "Mr. President".

I know! I was at least holding onto Tee being the only decent man on the show, but now he's the worst! And Nine isn't as bad as he seemed, since Tee stole Dao first, but it's too late now - they're all awful and I hope they all die alone.

I had been defending Yoon, but he is truly awful. I think Ton (Kim) is so beautiful that I endure it. Check Out is such a huge disappointment given how good the special ep was.

In that particular case, Q overreacted to the water flick and turned around to face X while still peeing with it hanging out, which would definitely get you teased, and you'd deserve it - to me that was very mild teasing and a little flirty - most guys would turn away and yell "Dude! Disgusting! Put it away! What's wrong with you!" If X had been at the next urinal, leaned to look at it, then commented, that would have led to violence. Or if they were in a communal shower or something and X had made that remark, it would have been serious bullying, and as you probably know, there are "growers" and "showers", so some guys might look smaller when in "resting mode" but be quite large when... er... "in use".

Sorry for all that, male bathroom etiquette is very complicated, like the urinal you have to use depending one which one are occupied. Example: There are five in a row, the first and fourth are occupied. Which do you go to? There is only one choice, which is 5. That means you can only have one person next to you. If you pick 2 or 3, you may end up with someone on both sides, and it would make the person at 1 or 4 mildy uncomfortable.

Wow - I have a really long list of criticisms for Earth, but "too effeminate" is not one of them. And I guess he's cute, but with all the other actors there in the series, I didn't notice.

Sometimes women want freedom from traditional roles while denying men freedom from theirs.

I agree with all of that. BL is so formulaic and the main couple almost invariably a mannequin that can somehow talk and a 12-year old Victorian virgin that it's downright shocking to see two guys acting like... guys.

There is one thing that was legitimately confusing, due to the way Thai works. When you see "I miss you" in the subtitles, what the character is really saying is "Phi misses Nong" (big bro misses little bro) or something like that. Likewise, people don't refer to themselves as me/I. If I were talking to a friend, I wouldn't be saying "I brought you cake" I'd say "Bill brought Carl cake".

So in the park, Mork addressed Tiew with too much familiarity for a boy addressing a senior. It would be like saying "Hey, bro!" to someone you had just met. Tiew retaliated by pretending not to know him, which is why Mork wasn't hurt, but was instead gleeful that he'd get to "win" because he had Tiew's wallet.

But don't forget that some of the audience is very young. When I was 11 I might not have understood this series and would wonder why I felt funny when Tiew was showering.

There's a reason - I'll put it at the top of this thread.

I think I felt a wave of happiness and tranquility when I read your comment.

Well, let's be fair - that's all that most BL series have going for them.

Wow, that first scene was the most pitch-perfect flirting scene I've ever seen in a BL, with the stolen glances and Tiew awkwardly introducing himself for no apparent reason. That threw me right back to that age and I'm cringing about all the times I did that. Sometimes I feel that Meen is over-acting, but in this scene he was 100% perfection.

I loved this - it's one of the first times in a BL we've had an authentic-feeling beginning of a gay relationship, with the characters acting like guys, teasing and overtly sexualizing their interaction. Mork even appeared to be hiding a hard-on when Tiew was deliberately trying to give him one with that shower. It's a refreshing break from the typical uke who thinks a kiss on the cheek is scandalous even after 11 episodes.

I liked the first ep, and thought the series had potential, but I don't have any doubt anymore.

I thought the immediate reveal in UWMA was a crippling mistake. Imagine how jaw-dropping it would have been if we found out when the characters did - plus, I couldn't make myself care about Earth & Kao because, well, you know. (I don't mean because Kao could be replaced by a mannequin and nobody would notice, but that didn't help. I mean the other thing.)

You're not supposed to know whether or not Mork & Tiew are in heaven or how & why they're there. Maybe they're killed in an accident, maybe they had a long life together and see each other young again in heaven. Maybe they weren't in heaven. Maybe one is dead and the other is dreaming.

A drama isn't really a drama if you know what's going to happen from the beginning. TBH, for all the great qualities of UWMA, I could hardly keep awake watching it, and I forgot to watch the finale. This has mystery and a plot that slowly unfolds with great skill. I think that's preferable to a story where a romance goes so slowly that it feels like a homophobic avoidance of physical intimacy and with the drama hiked up at the end with a ridiculous misunderstanding or evil girlfriend dropping out of the sky like 95% of BLs.

This is one of those series that you'll rewatch when it's finished and you'll see so many things that you missed the first time. That to me is fully exploiting the visual medium

I totally agree - this is one of the best couples I've seen, and easily the most authentic flirtation I've seen in BL.

In the park Mork addressed Tiew without the respectful form of address for his elder so Tiew pretended not to know him in retaliation. It's a little like if someone you just met addressed you "hey, bro!" the next time he saw you. Tiew would likely have gone back to the store at some point. That's why Mork wasn't hurt and was happy he could strike back with the wallet. I'm sure Tiew would have gone back to the store to see him.

The shower was Tiew being seductive because he knew Mork was watching him. I'm not sure why you feel there was no buildup - they'd spent the entire episode up to that point flirting and teasing each other - that seemed like a logical escalation to me. He didn't do anything, just showed off his body. I sure would if I looked like that.

I think maybe we've gotten so used to the endless buildup in typical BL and the 12-year-old Victorian virgin trapped in a man's body that the uke always is, that we've forgotten how men actually interact - teasing and more overtly sexualized. This was for me the most real start of a relationship I've seen in BL.

I'm really surprised that I actually like the Toy/Mook story.

You've expressed this better than I did with "nobody's getting hurt."

The setup is the classic trope of guys competing over a girl like a prize, but that's not what's really happening here.

First, X is the girl's best friend and he's even willing to set Q up with her if that's what he wants. Second, the girl has more agency than either of the boys, and third, the boys are not competing - it's really Frank and Toy that are dragging Q along - he's not engaged at all and is thinking only of X. And when he does allow himself to be dragged along, it inevitably backfires against the "competitors".

Viewers are worrying about this that had no problem with people getting decapitated and tortured on KP. It's a bit of a head-scratcher.

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There are things I would like to do to him. Or perhaps rather have him do to me.

I think it's just being true to the real world that boys often sublimate their attractions into picking on the object of their affections. I think X has been cheeky, not so much mean, except for flicking water on him which [looks both ways to make sure nobody is watching] dries. It's a tiny quantity of water, not pig's blood. Alhough to be fair, in BL water is almost always near-fatal, unless someone has a damp towel handy to pat away the fever.