Darn. I was loving this series, but two unenjoyable episodes in a row have made me give up. This is going to be full of ridiculous misunderstandings until the last 10 seconds of the last episode, and I'm done with that sh#$.
When I was 12 I could tell if I had a crush on someone, and I grew up in an incredibly conservative area. Fukuhara is 20 and Shinomiya is his actual boyfriend, and he didn't realize he likes him? Come on.
This is the hazard of live-action adaptations. Because a manga is essentially a cartoon, cartoonish behavior flies better - but in live action it just comes of as bad writing. And although both actors are doing a fantastic job, they're still stuck playing 2D characters.
Does anyone have actual news about this show? Like links to twitter comments? I can't find anything. I'm curious to know what happened, because it seemed to be doing well compared to the ratings of other BLs.
OK, I have to admit that was cute and funny. The directing & editing over the fear of ghosts was perfect - not just the timing, but how small Porsche looked in the bed - they did that by having Kinn sitting up with the camera closer to him.
I'm grateful for subtitles, but whoever is doing these uses "gonna" and "wanna" so often that it feels like fingeranails on a chalkboard. You should never use over-colloquial terms in writing - spoken only.
At one point, Khett says "bye-bye", which is already English, but is translated as "I'm gonna get goin'" which makes him 'sound' like a mentally-deficient Texan farmer. And a native English speaker wouldn't say that, they'd say, well, "bye-bye."
Also, gladiolus doesn't translate as "promise" - I didn't even need to look that up. "Gladius" means "sword", which is where the word "gladiator" comes from.
If this had slightly more disciplined writing, better directing, and a (much) better lead actor, it could have been a great series. But this last episode was a mess. The Prakan-Tuaphee rollercoaster has just become tiring and I don't care anymore. Kheeta-Nathee could have been something to keep me going, but nothing has really happened and it's too late now.
I don't really see how KinnPorsche is "toxic", but that word has ceased to mean anything because it's applied…
When did Tharn give him a handjob? Do you mean in the shower? That was a BJ, and Type never told him to stop. He said "let go of me", and Tharn complied - and then sank to his knees. Type had plenty of occassion to say " stop" and he didn't. He could also have pushed Tharn away (although saying "stop" is enough).
When you're talking about consent, being on your knees in front of someone is not really a position from which you can easily do something the other person doesn't want. If Type were afraid of Tharn, I would say there's a coercive element to it, but Type isn't afraid of Tharn in the slightest and could easily have kneed him in the face if h didn't like what was happening.
Running your hands all over someone's body and moaning in pleasure is not usually recognized as a way to communicate non-consent. So I would still say Tharn was aggressive, not transgressive. I think kissing him while sleeping is worse, but that's a very mild bad. It was just a loving peck, not heavy molestation.
Prakam has Tua/Sanya’s heart ✅ checkTua/Sanya made a deal with his soul reaper ✅ checkDad did the surgery…
I didn't belive he died for even a second. If it were the cliffhanger of ep 11, it might have fooled me, but not this early.
They could be together eventually after Prakan dies, I suppose. but if he's reincarnated he's be someone else and be born as a baby, so there would be an enormous age difference - Prakan must be in his mid to late 20s, so let's say he's 50 when reborn Tua is old enough to f@#$.
The writers have written Prakan into such an unbelievably naive character around death. He's supposed to be a…
I think it's worse than that. Most children become capable of mature moral reasoning at around age 10. If you present this question:
Which of these is worse?
a) Sally is emptying the dishwasher and drops a plate, breaking 10 glasses. b) Mary is angry at Sally and throws one glass at her, which breaks.
A six-year-old will choose a), because Sally broke more glasses, but a 10-year-old will choose b), because a) was an accident and b) was violence.
Prakan can't tell the difference between escorting someone who has died to the next life and actually killing somone, so he's actually acting like a small child.
I feel like others enjoy this show a lot more than me. I don't really know what;s exactly bothering me, but it…
It is kind of meh. The opinions of people here will be higher than average because a lot of people who don't like it drop it. I think the problem is almost entirely the main character.
"It can also mean that series failed in conveying its message." This is a good point. It can also be a failure of marketing - I don't remember the marketing, but I do have a vague recollection of it seeming like a fantasy-BL, and I do think the ending was rushed - and not enough emphasis given to showing the consequences of her their actions of evil lady and her husband, which was important, because it contrasted the importance of confronting loss with love vs. anger, and that was important to Nut's progress, because he started out with anger and Tofu guided him to love.
Nut can at times come off as self-centered because everything was about him - but that's not really true because it was Tofu that made everything about Nut. That's because as a teddy bear his only purpose was Nut's happiness. That's why he had no outside interests, career goals, etc. - he wasn't a human or a fully realized person, he was the manifestation of Nut's pain and Tarn's love.
And Tofu always had and understood emotion - all the inanimate objects did, and were fairly keen observers of human behavior. Becoming human allowed Tofu to actively support Nut rather than just passively - e.g. he could hug him instead of just be hugged by him. And once he had accomplished what he needed to, hee didn't abandon him, but returned to his passive role.
I agree - there's nothing wrong with fluff - I think we like BL not despite the fluffiness but because of it. Sometimes you just want to watch a cute and happy romance. But this wasn't one of those.
I think it's fine to tell people they misunderstood something if they misunderstood something. How can we ever broaden our horizons if you don't talk to people and learn from them? I didn't think about the misrepresentation of the story in the marketing or lack of clarity in the message until you pointed it out, so that's something I misunderstood and gained an insight by discussing it.
As far as interpretation goes, in an abstract art, especially music, there are infinite interpretations. But in a verbal one, there are narrower paths, especially when the author tells you what something means. Tofu himself says Tarn can't come back to life as long as he's alive because he's animated by Tarn. If he held onto life and left Tarn as a vegetable, then he would be stealing Tarn's life and would be evil like Jan.
I think it's 100% open to intrpretation whether or not the story had a happy ending - I think it had a bittersweet but affirming ending, other people think it was sad, some people think it was happy, etc. It's also 100% up to individual opinion whether or not someone liked the series, or whether or not people think it was good, or whether or not it delivered its message.
But it's much less open to interpretation that this was a story about coping with loss, and if you don't see that framework, I don't see how it's possilble to understand the story. If you view Da Vinci's Last Supper and don't know the story of Jesus, it's just 13 people having dinner.
Poon is the new head chef, he replaced Mayom IIRC, so it was his responsability to manage the team accordingly.…
I think there's some degree of unavoidable chaos because Mayom is a terrible person who quit without notice and abandoned his friends and coworkers. Ahtip is the CEO, so it was his responsibility to ensure a smooth transition by providing the resources needed to accomplish it, and Poon should have told Ahtip he wasn't able to handle it. But Ahtip was also ridiculous to hire someone with no experience has head chef of a major restaurant. So blame is 1-Ahtip, 2-Poon, 3-Mayom, with Ahtip & Poon being incompetent and Mayom a selfish dick.
I think it would be necessary to totally misunderstand the meaning of everything that happned to have that view. It would require a shallow understanding of it as a simple romance between a person suffering from trauma and, well, an incarnated teddy bear. It was never that. It's a story about coping with loss and trauma, which was thematically presented from the beginning and unmistakable by Ep 3.
If you thought that there would be a happy romantic ending between Nut and Tofu, then yes, you were expecting fluffiness, because that would be cuteness for its own sake rather than an organic conclusion based on the central theme of the story.
I can understand that many people didn't love the way this was accomplished, or the rushed conclusion, but Tofu was always going to revert to being a teddy bear. Otherwise, the the theme of the story would have been that you should not cope with loss, but rather hide from it in delusion.
Lol. We’re being understanding because Korea hasn’t found their footing in the BL industry yet. They’re…
Sincee 2017? How long do we need to let them test the waters? If they can do Where Your Eyes Linger and Semantic Error, they can do better than Love Class.
I don't really see how KinnPorsche is "toxic", but that word has ceased to mean anything because it's applied…
Also, it's clearly stated up front that colorless people always go insane and harm their color-providing people, so it's beyond his control, and in any case he doesn't, so I don't see what the problem is. It's a little like calling a lion toxic for being carnivorous even if he's vegan.
Me reading the comments: https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-did-i-just-read-what-the-fuck-wtf-did-i-just-read-wtf-i-read-wtf-gif-22159188From…
Not homeless corpse. Homeless drug-addicted corpse. Although at the end he looked like homeless drug-addicted corpse wearing a faux-fur coat. You have to admit the makeup artist hates these two guys and wants to make them look as unattractive as possible. Which for Han Gi Chan is still pretty f@#$ing attractive.
Han Hyun Jun is so adorable, and the size difference is really cute, too. That's the end of the positives.
This series was one step from gay-baiting. This was not a BL - at least not until the last ep, when it was a string of BL cliches. I can just barely get through someone mistakenly thinking their love interest likes a girl, but when he says "the girl I thought I liked confessed her love, but I rejected her because I love you for the following reasons: [lists reasons]" and you STILL think that, well, that's the definition of "implausible misunderstanding". He thought Ji Woo only thought he liked him because someone posted cruel rumors about them? What the fuck kind of reasoning is that?
The last ep was so disconnected to the rest of the series that I didn't feel anything. Both leads did a good job, but this was a waste of talent.
When I was 12 I could tell if I had a crush on someone, and I grew up in an incredibly conservative area. Fukuhara is 20 and Shinomiya is his actual boyfriend, and he didn't realize he likes him? Come on.
This is the hazard of live-action adaptations. Because a manga is essentially a cartoon, cartoonish behavior flies better - but in live action it just comes of as bad writing. And although both actors are doing a fantastic job, they're still stuck playing 2D characters.
At one point, Khett says "bye-bye", which is already English, but is translated as "I'm gonna get goin'" which makes him 'sound' like a mentally-deficient Texan farmer. And a native English speaker wouldn't say that, they'd say, well, "bye-bye."
Also, gladiolus doesn't translate as "promise" - I didn't even need to look that up. "Gladius" means "sword", which is where the word "gladiator" comes from.
If this had slightly more disciplined writing, better directing, and a (much) better lead actor, it could have been a great series. But this last episode was a mess. The Prakan-Tuaphee rollercoaster has just become tiring and I don't care anymore. Kheeta-Nathee could have been something to keep me going, but nothing has really happened and it's too late now.
When you're talking about consent, being on your knees in front of someone is not really a position from which you can easily do something the other person doesn't want. If Type were afraid of Tharn, I would say there's a coercive element to it, but Type isn't afraid of Tharn in the slightest and could easily have kneed him in the face if h didn't like what was happening.
Running your hands all over someone's body and moaning in pleasure is not usually recognized as a way to communicate non-consent. So I would still say Tharn was aggressive, not transgressive. I think kissing him while sleeping is worse, but that's a very mild bad. It was just a loving peck, not heavy molestation.
I don't know what it's parodying - I guess BL in general? I don't really get it.
They could be together eventually after Prakan dies, I suppose. but if he's reincarnated he's be someone else and be born as a baby, so there would be an enormous age difference - Prakan must be in his mid to late 20s, so let's say he's 50 when reborn Tua is old enough to f@#$.
Which of these is worse?
a) Sally is emptying the dishwasher and drops a plate, breaking 10 glasses.
b) Mary is angry at Sally and throws one glass at her, which breaks.
A six-year-old will choose a), because Sally broke more glasses, but a 10-year-old will choose b), because a) was an accident and b) was violence.
Prakan can't tell the difference between escorting someone who has died to the next life and actually killing somone, so he's actually acting like a small child.
Nut can at times come off as self-centered because everything was about him - but that's not really true because it was Tofu that made everything about Nut. That's because as a teddy bear his only purpose was Nut's happiness. That's why he had no outside interests, career goals, etc. - he wasn't a human or a fully realized person, he was the manifestation of Nut's pain and Tarn's love.
And Tofu always had and understood emotion - all the inanimate objects did, and were fairly keen observers of human behavior. Becoming human allowed Tofu to actively support Nut rather than just passively - e.g. he could hug him instead of just be hugged by him. And once he had accomplished what he needed to, hee didn't abandon him, but returned to his passive role.
I agree - there's nothing wrong with fluff - I think we like BL not despite the fluffiness but because of it. Sometimes you just want to watch a cute and happy romance. But this wasn't one of those.
I think it's fine to tell people they misunderstood something if they misunderstood something. How can we ever broaden our horizons if you don't talk to people and learn from them? I didn't think about the misrepresentation of the story in the marketing or lack of clarity in the message until you pointed it out, so that's something I misunderstood and gained an insight by discussing it.
As far as interpretation goes, in an abstract art, especially music, there are infinite interpretations. But in a verbal one, there are narrower paths, especially when the author tells you what something means. Tofu himself says Tarn can't come back to life as long as he's alive because he's animated by Tarn. If he held onto life and left Tarn as a vegetable, then he would be stealing Tarn's life and would be evil like Jan.
I think it's 100% open to intrpretation whether or not the story had a happy ending - I think it had a bittersweet but affirming ending, other people think it was sad, some people think it was happy, etc. It's also 100% up to individual opinion whether or not someone liked the series, or whether or not people think it was good, or whether or not it delivered its message.
But it's much less open to interpretation that this was a story about coping with loss, and if you don't see that framework, I don't see how it's possilble to understand the story. If you view Da Vinci's Last Supper and don't know the story of Jesus, it's just 13 people having dinner.
If you thought that there would be a happy romantic ending between Nut and Tofu, then yes, you were expecting fluffiness, because that would be cuteness for its own sake rather than an organic conclusion based on the central theme of the story.
I can understand that many people didn't love the way this was accomplished, or the rushed conclusion, but Tofu was always going to revert to being a teddy bear. Otherwise, the the theme of the story would have been that you should not cope with loss, but rather hide from it in delusion.
This series was one step from gay-baiting. This was not a BL - at least not until the last ep, when it was a string of BL cliches. I can just barely get through someone mistakenly thinking their love interest likes a girl, but when he says "the girl I thought I liked confessed her love, but I rejected her because I love you for the following reasons: [lists reasons]" and you STILL think that, well, that's the definition of "implausible misunderstanding". He thought Ji Woo only thought he liked him because someone posted cruel rumors about them? What the fuck kind of reasoning is that?
The last ep was so disconnected to the rest of the series that I didn't feel anything. Both leads did a good job, but this was a waste of talent.