jpny01

Thank you for that excellent demonstration of what "toxic fandom" means. I couldn't have done it better.

His English is 100% perfect - even his accent is pefect.

Just answer: have I raped and been raped hundreds of times because I've had sex while drunk? How about all the billions of other adults who have?

It doesn't make any sense.

BTW, I didn't mean I have no problem at all with the situation - Yong Jie did something very wrong - I just don't think it's anywhere near what the VP did, and I don't think "sex while drunk is aways wrong" makes any sense.

He was not incapacitated, He had a discussion with Yong Jie and was the one who initiated what they did - an incapacitated person can't have a coherent conversation or grab someone around the neck and pull them down for a kiss. He was definitely inebriated, but not even that badly - normally you're loud and saying ridiculous things that make no sense, not "if the love is painful, why don't you stop loving them?" And you most certainly can't have sex - Yong Jie gave him a bj.

Intoxication is characterized by slurred speech, weaving or stumbling while walking, and exaggerated emotions.

Incapacitation is inability to speak coherently, confusion about basic facts, and unconsciousness.

Xing Si probably would have been weaving & stumbling, but it's hard to tell because Yong Jie immediately picked him up. His speech was not slurred, nor did he have exaggerated emotions.

He was able to speak coherently, Yong Jie made a point of making sure he wasn't confused about who he was with, and he was not unconscious.

What he did was manipulative and very wrong, but it is nowhere near what the VP did.

There's a difference between someone voluntarily getting drunk and slipping an illegal drug to somoene without their knowledge - a huge moral difference.

I like everyone elese's outfits (especially Young Jie's plad slacks & white jacket outfit a few eps ago), but Mu Ren's are a bit carried away. Sometimes he looks like a 60-year old woman in a caftan. The sweater was kind of silly, but not the worst thing I've seen on him.

This ep both Mu Ren and XIng Si wore the same clothes as in earlier eps - I guess they finally ran out of closet space and had to start recycling.

Those two actors are amazing, especially the father. Whenever he's in a scene, whoever he's with is more compelling too.

I think it's one of the most interesting pairings I've ever seen in a BL - one of my top handful.

I'm the opposite, I'm bored stiff by the 100% predictable Muren and Li Cheng, and I find the brothers complex and interesting, and I think they have fantastic chemistry. The other couple has good chemistry too, but the writing is dull.

They're much different. Xing Si volunarily got drunk, whreas the VP spiked Mu Ren's drink without his knowledge. Lowering someone's inhibitions is not the same as giving someone a drug (an illegal one at that) to incapacitate them.

I don't see how it's supportable to say it's never OK to have sex with a drunk person. Most adults have sex while drunk on a regular basis. I've had drunk sex hundreds of times. That's what bars are for. You go drink, lower your inhibitions, and have sex. For most people, the inhbition is lack of confidence - in Xing Si's case, he was afraid anything he did with Yong Jie would be coercive because of the unequal power relationship as elder brother, and fear of his father's reaction.

If Xing Si were 17, or even 20, I'd have a problem with the situation - but he's 30.

I've had sex lots of times while drunk. I don't feel raped and I enjoyed it.

Kim is too much of a comic character to take seriously in the lead couple, although the actor behaving seriously is really, really attractive. And speaks English like a native. He has so little screentime with Tha that there's really been no relationship development, whreas Shan/Win is with Tha constantly. Win is so sweet it's hard not to love him. Kim shirtless is also hard not to love. In a much, much less wholesome way.

Um, so Kim... I, um... yeah. Need a cold shower. Icy cold. For about a week.

The scene where Wit & Win were touching behind what's-her-name was so adorable - I remember stuff like that from high school.

And would someone toss Met off the roof? What a horrible and useless person. I don't think I've ever loathed a character as much as her.

He didn't drug him, he got him drunk. The evil VP drugged Mu Ren - that's totally different. A 30-year old man can decide how much to drink, and "Yong Jie made them strong" isn't an excuse. You can tell how much alcohol is in a drink. Anyway, I find it beautiful and, well, not exactly romantic, but I love it.

It's BL. He can date XiGu's ghost. Ot his spirit could tranfer into a girl or a cat or something.

Wow, the acting in this ep was so good. Everyone was so complex and subtle. The parents are really good - whenever they're in it the scenes are strong.

Their workplace continues to be baffling - remind me to never get a job in Taiwan. There's the usual BL-workplace masses of paper which haven't existed for 20 years, but beyond that, nobody in the company suspects the movtives of the VP? Seriously? And the sheer nastiness of the staff - all the poisonous horrible little people should be fired and replaced.

But Mu Ren did the right thing - always enlist an evil genius when you need to win. Hopefully quickly, because that plotline is tiresome.

Is it ever going to occur to anyone that being top and bottom isn't like signing an irrevolcable contract, and you can take turns? Have any of these writers ever even MET anyone gay?

Thanks - that was very cute.

It's really upsetting that they cut out the scene that we've been waiting for the entire series - so weird! I'm glad we at least got to see it.

That scene where Tri asked Prab if he was together with Chon was so confusing without it. I was like "Wait, what?"

That's a very valid point - but I would only differ with you that it still doesn't justify rudeness because nothing does. It would justify firmness if directly offered, like he did to the fujoshis, which was strong but not rude.

Something like "I am not interested in you, nor will I ever be, and what you're doing is harassment and an invasion of my privacy. Please stop, or I'll have to report you to the administration."

Of course then the series would have ended with the first episode! :) Plus it's a comedy so Pi's OTT-ness sort of needs to be there.

I can live with all this, but I need some movement - 5 episodes of the same thing over and over is enough. It's time now for relationship progression. It would also help if we could see at least one positive characteristic of Pi - we haven't yet - everything about him is hostile and self-absorbed. Contrast that with Muean, who is rude and crude, but everything he does is kindness towards other people (often horribly misguided) - helping Pi, retrieving Meen's water bottle - he's a sweet guy under all that.

I'm guessing Pi was more sympathetic in novel form. That's one of the problems with adapting novels to series , and why I wish they'd stop doing it. It almost always works better to write an original screenplay where you have the visual medium in mind from the beginning - novels are too dependent on direct insight into the thoughts of characters.

It's kind of amazing that people get that fired up. It doesn't take much to set off a storm of outrage that people can't get over. The shocking revelation here is that a director wants to promote his work. Wow, that's really unusual. I've never heard of a director that tells anyone about what he's doing. It's funny - people are so bought into the system that they need everything to be a part of it. An indie director with no marketing budget is attacked for using social media to promote his work rather than trotting out the actors like horses to be pawed at by screeching hordes of tween girls, Yes, he's the anti-Christ for doing that.

I've actually found some of the reactions in this forum enlightening - because these people are consumers of this exploitative machine, they need to attack the message to deflect blame off themselves for the system they feed that does so much damage to the actors they think they're supporting.