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I think it's one of the most interesting pairings I've ever seen in a BL - one of my top handful.

I'm the opposite, I'm bored stiff by the 100% predictable Muren and Li Cheng, and I find the brothers complex and interesting, and I think they have fantastic chemistry. The other couple has good chemistry too, but the writing is dull.

They're much different. Xing Si volunarily got drunk, whreas the VP spiked Mu Ren's drink without his knowledge. Lowering someone's inhibitions is not the same as giving someone a drug (an illegal one at that) to incapacitate them.

I don't see how it's supportable to say it's never OK to have sex with a drunk person. Most adults have sex while drunk on a regular basis. I've had drunk sex hundreds of times. That's what bars are for. You go drink, lower your inhibitions, and have sex. For most people, the inhbition is lack of confidence - in Xing Si's case, he was afraid anything he did with Yong Jie would be coercive because of the unequal power relationship as elder brother, and fear of his father's reaction.

If Xing Si were 17, or even 20, I'd have a problem with the situation - but he's 30.

I've had sex lots of times while drunk. I don't feel raped and I enjoyed it.

Kim is too much of a comic character to take seriously in the lead couple, although the actor behaving seriously is really, really attractive. And speaks English like a native. He has so little screentime with Tha that there's really been no relationship development, whreas Shan/Win is with Tha constantly. Win is so sweet it's hard not to love him. Kim shirtless is also hard not to love. In a much, much less wholesome way.

Um, so Kim... I, um... yeah. Need a cold shower. Icy cold. For about a week.

The scene where Wit & Win were touching behind what's-her-name was so adorable - I remember stuff like that from high school.

And would someone toss Met off the roof? What a horrible and useless person. I don't think I've ever loathed a character as much as her.

He didn't drug him, he got him drunk. The evil VP drugged Mu Ren - that's totally different. A 30-year old man can decide how much to drink, and "Yong Jie made them strong" isn't an excuse. You can tell how much alcohol is in a drink. Anyway, I find it beautiful and, well, not exactly romantic, but I love it.

It's BL. He can date XiGu's ghost. Ot his spirit could tranfer into a girl or a cat or something.

Wow, the acting in this ep was so good. Everyone was so complex and subtle. The parents are really good - whenever they're in it the scenes are strong.

Their workplace continues to be baffling - remind me to never get a job in Taiwan. There's the usual BL-workplace masses of paper which haven't existed for 20 years, but beyond that, nobody in the company suspects the movtives of the VP? Seriously? And the sheer nastiness of the staff - all the poisonous horrible little people should be fired and replaced.

But Mu Ren did the right thing - always enlist an evil genius when you need to win. Hopefully quickly, because that plotline is tiresome.

Is it ever going to occur to anyone that being top and bottom isn't like signing an irrevolcable contract, and you can take turns? Have any of these writers ever even MET anyone gay?

Thanks - that was very cute.

It's really upsetting that they cut out the scene that we've been waiting for the entire series - so weird! I'm glad we at least got to see it.

That scene where Tri asked Prab if he was together with Chon was so confusing without it. I was like "Wait, what?"

That's a very valid point - but I would only differ with you that it still doesn't justify rudeness because nothing does. It would justify firmness if directly offered, like he did to the fujoshis, which was strong but not rude.

Something like "I am not interested in you, nor will I ever be, and what you're doing is harassment and an invasion of my privacy. Please stop, or I'll have to report you to the administration."

Of course then the series would have ended with the first episode! :) Plus it's a comedy so Pi's OTT-ness sort of needs to be there.

I can live with all this, but I need some movement - 5 episodes of the same thing over and over is enough. It's time now for relationship progression. It would also help if we could see at least one positive characteristic of Pi - we haven't yet - everything about him is hostile and self-absorbed. Contrast that with Muean, who is rude and crude, but everything he does is kindness towards other people (often horribly misguided) - helping Pi, retrieving Meen's water bottle - he's a sweet guy under all that.

I'm guessing Pi was more sympathetic in novel form. That's one of the problems with adapting novels to series , and why I wish they'd stop doing it. It almost always works better to write an original screenplay where you have the visual medium in mind from the beginning - novels are too dependent on direct insight into the thoughts of characters.

It's kind of amazing that people get that fired up. It doesn't take much to set off a storm of outrage that people can't get over. The shocking revelation here is that a director wants to promote his work. Wow, that's really unusual. I've never heard of a director that tells anyone about what he's doing. It's funny - people are so bought into the system that they need everything to be a part of it. An indie director with no marketing budget is attacked for using social media to promote his work rather than trotting out the actors like horses to be pawed at by screeching hordes of tween girls, Yes, he's the anti-Christ for doing that.

I've actually found some of the reactions in this forum enlightening - because these people are consumers of this exploitative machine, they need to attack the message to deflect blame off themselves for the system they feed that does so much damage to the actors they think they're supporting.

You wanted to see someone getting sexually abused? I don't think that would make it past censors, and even if it did, everyone would be screaming that the director was being exploitative (and they'd be correct). The way the subject was handled was the best, because it showed the emotional damage done to the victim.

What Bas experienced as traumatic abuse might just seem like a mildly distasteful encounter to me - or maybe even seem more severe than Bas found it to someone else, Showing what happened would just lessen the impact.

Homophobia was featured rather prominently in the first episode - not just the table scene. I'm not sure a point needs to be belabored. It sound like you watched part of the first episode and then stopped - you're saying things weren't in it that were in it.

All series are promoted - heavily, You're criticizing the director for doing what everyone else does.

The toxicity I was referring to you can see for yourself if you scroll down in this discussion - a load of people showed up here to attack the show before it even aired and/or without watching it and were just generally nasty to everyone.

I'm not sure what I was thinking, but I was in fact a music major. Besides being an extremely difficult major, it's not very commercially useful. It did actually help get job interviews because it made people curious, so there's that.

You have to grow up with someone for the sibling aversion thing to kick in. Even step-siblings or cousins will have it if they're put together as children. If you somehow got separated from a sibling, then met them for the first time as a teen or adult, you could fall for them - it's not like some automatic pheromone thing. That would be really weird. Probably worse for straight siblings than gay ones. At least we can't have two-headed babies. I don't know what I'm babbling about. It's late.

Prab becomes unbelievably sweet later on. I found him annoying at first two, but later on I was in love with him.

There is a bit of horrendous censorship that completely ruins Ep 12. You can find the two critical scenes here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJMxMc5zlE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEzuMY8NnDw

The got together at the end of Ep 12 and it was cut out. In favor of a plastic surgery commercial, as if marketing that to teens isn't worse than two boys in love.

I wasn't aware of any hype or mess. I liked the series because of the good writing and superlative acting. Not all of us follow BL news or twitter feeds, or care about all the shipping and other fan service. It's one thing to hear about abuses, and another to experience them in a story like this. There was no telling - it was entirely showing. I'm not sure what you mean by that.

This was only the first season - I'm sure subsquent series will explore the toxic fandom, a large proportion of which has shown up here to rip on the series because they don't like the director for reasons that are not clear to me and that I also don't care about.

I judge him by his work, and I'd have to say as a director he's decent based on this. There are some technical faults that I can overlook due to the low budget, but others that shouldn't be there, so a "C" based on technical merit. But the performance he got out of his actors was a solid "A".

BTW, was it must me or was James really unappealing this ep? He could have at least brushed his teeth - it was bad enough he didn't shower. That was just gross.