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This isn't bad, but I'm not really drawn into it. The actors don't feel committed to me - not even Kokoy. He's a little all over the place. Is this a comedy, or is it serious? Was what happened by the pool supposed to be funny, or sweet? Both? It was neither. The scene on the bridge was awkward and difficult to watch. What was it telling us that we don't already know? A little more about Barry, but it was along the same lines as the meatballs. We already knew about his tendency to "You Know What" based on the "YKWs" on his "YKWs". His sister commenting on it was too on-the-nose, and even if Mando is her BF, that's very private family info to be sharing with someone you just met.

Maybe it's because this was filmed so long ago that it's behind the times. And I'm getting really tired of plots where there's a girl between the guys. I hope Krisha is a character with agency and not just a beard for Mando - because it's fairly plain he knows he's gay, so it feels like he's using her. He even said he was gay in his internal monologue.

Anyway, it's enjoyable, and I'll probably watch all of it because ITSAY & GSP are both ending this week and so this gets bumped up a couple of notches in my ranking. So far it feels like a 7 to me, but I'll wait till the end to judge since it's already half over.

There's something inauthentic about Teejay - I'm just never convinced by him. It's to the point that it's hard to enjoy the show because I just don't care about him at all and I think both Jim & Olan are too good for him and they should get together and ride off into the sunset.

The cinematography is quite excellent - overall the production quality is high.

Damn right! In the first 30 seconds if need be! *shakes fist*

I wish it were Jim X Olan. I really can't stand Ben. Heck, I'd take Yana and Olan. Or Olan & Olan. Anything.

If Jim misunderstands what's going on in the last seen, I'm dropping this. It was too clear to be misunderstood.

I agree - the cinematography is a step above everything else in this production, which is already good overall.

I feel like I usually see things similarly to how you do, but I don't get the slightest whiff of creepiness from Olan. Is it possible that you find him creepy because there would have to be something wrong with you to like Ben? I would enjoy this show a lot more if I didn't find the protagonist to be an awful self-absorbed phony. I think it's the actor. Ben's lines are fine - he was right to call Jim on the sexism (although Jim's line on poststructuralist thinking was classic) - it's the delivery that makes him sound like a jerk. Everything about him is "not quite right".

Oh yes. Definitely looking forward to that.

Maybe the show will get more interesting from a story perspective now that they're together.

I don't want everything to be like ITSAY because it's sad and depressing - I just want Thai producers to concentrate more an quality than quantity, and stop relying on badly written and forumlaic novels. And for the love of God, no more engineering students.

The reason why many people turned on 2gether was because for once, the story was just about two guys falling in love, and it was funny and well-written. The effeminate chracter was played for humor but was not pathetic, and there was no obsession with the seme/uke thing - they even cast a guy who was bigger and more muscular in what the novel had as the uke.

And then about half way through, all that collapsed into the same tired tropes. All of the sudden, unbelievably in-shape Tine couldn't get through a cheerleading session without fainting like a Victorian 12-year old virgin with consumption as they fell back on the stereotypical uke role, and the plot was totally derailed by both mains completely mutating in character to twist the story around the jealousy over a girl trope, which is so incredibly tired and frustrating, then we only got about ten seconds of them being together, which climaxed not in a kiss, not even a hug, but a high-five.

THAT is why people praised it at first and then turned against it. Up until Ep 6, I would have rated it my favorite BL of all time (the one that ended with the revelation that Saraway had been in love with Tine since before the first ep.)

I will say that I watched the second ep of Gen Y and it was less boring - the Kit and Ming actors are pretty appealing, although I wish they'd move past Yu's devastation, which is hard to care about because we didn't see his bf or their relationship forming (athough we really did, TWICE now...). In any case, good enough to stick around for the third ep. Although I think we all know that Kit isn't going to kiss Mark, he's going to unbuckle his seatbelt and throw him out of the car.

Thank you for pointing that out. But - novels generally aren't the best basis for a screenplay. In a novel, you hear character's thoughts and have a better sense of what they're feeling. In a visual medium we need to see it, and because they hire mostly amateur actors and don't really take advantage of the medium like ITSAY and GSP do, you get a straightforward narrative that's often prety dull. For example, in Oxygen, having the schtick being a boy who's lost his smile works in a novel, but makes him come off as a serial-killer android on the screen. A boring serial-killer android.

Totally agree - I live some fluffy too. But if you really think about it, the "message" of the fluffy shows is that if you have a crush on a straight guy and are a dedicated stalker, he'll turn not-straight and fall in love with you. Which, if young impressionable LGBTQ+ youth took at face value, would probably get them killed. But I don't think anyone is naive enough to believe that's how the world works and instead see it as the pleasant escapism that it is. Likewise, no LGBTQ+ youth is going to watch this and think they have to live tragic lives and die young. If all shows were like My Extraordinary, I would think there's a problem - but there's really no danger of that.

I think it's very well written - I don't particularly enjoy watching it. I think the writer is a dick based on his posts and tweets - that has nothing to do with whether or not his writing is good. And what is your comment even supposed to mean? You area all a bunch of sanctimonious twits.

I'd simply rather watch this than a tired, formulaic pile of crap like 80% of BLs - Your Gear and My Gown makes my eyes roll with just it's title.

The message is that homophobia destroys lives. But there's no point in arguing, because everyone in a BL has to be morally perfect, and there's no mercy on anyone who makes a bad mistake, like all people do. Monica and Sandee are worse than Hitler, Stalin, Satan, the Spanish Inquisition, and people who chew loudly combined, because they're not as perfect as all the viewers are.

Of course we do. Neither Sandee nor Monica can change the past - they have to live with what happened. Neither of them intended for it to happen - you're all acting like Sandee and Monica wanted Ken & Shake dead.

Come on. The supernatural element was introduced in the first ep. I don't believe in any of that, but I accept it's role in this story.

Ken doesn't seem to be aware that he's dead.

Yes, but not just after losing her child. I've never known any parent that could get over that in 6 weeks. I'm really astonished at this mantra everyone has. That kind of devastation takes years to move on from, not a few weeks.

It's both disingenous and hypocritical to say in the same paragraph that you will "allow" me to have an opinion an then attempt to discredit me by making a ridiculous caim that I'm someone connected to this company or the writers. In fact I think the writer is kind of a dick based on his posts and tweets. This is a discussion forum - we're supposed to discuss things, and not everyone is going to have the same opinions. If you don't want to hear other opinions, then don't read them. If you do, then respond without casting aspersions.

The message of most BLs is that if you have a crush on a straight guy, if you just pursue him with enough stalkerish dedication, he will turn gay and fall in love with you (or worse, he'll turn "not gay, I only love my stalker"). In reality, that strategy is a lot more likely to get you beaten to death than to win over the guy. So is that, in your opinion, a healthier message than "homophobia is bad"? Or do you appreciate the reduction of LGBTQ+ boys into cute little stuffed animals being cute with each other to titillate 12-year old girls rather than addressing how we actually suffer persecution, fear, loneliness and disproportionate suicide rates at that age? There's room for the escapism of the standard formula BLs, but there's also room for shows like this that attack the dark side of growing up LGBTQ+. Shows about high school where almost every boy in the entire school is gay or bi isn't going to do anything to change societal attitudes - something shocking like this show might.

No LGBTQ+ person is going to watch this and assume this is the way it always is, unless for some reason they've never watched anything else. The point of this is very clearly that homophobia is destructive, not that being LGBTQ+ condemns you to tragedy.

I guess maybe Asian cultures are 30 years behind the West in this regard. In the 1990's, nothing bad was ever allowed to happen to gay people, and they had to have absolutely perfect characters, because if they were bad, people would gang-pile the produers for a negative portrayal of gays. So the gay characters were so perfect, lifeless, and boring that they usually got written out of the show after a season or two because there was no dramatic use for them. Now, thank God, gays can be regular characters, including villains. You are behaving a bit like the 1990s.

I will grant that they should not have marketed this as a BL, because it's really pushing the definition, and there was no real warning from the trailer that it was this dark.

I actually do get what you're saying. There's a point where the fantasy element has so muddied the story that it's hard to tell what the point is supposed to be. I thought it was "homophobia destroys lives". It doesn't seem like Sandee is really homophobic, she just exploited Monica's homophobia for selfish ends - which I guess is still homophobia destroying lives... anyway, we'll see soon if they can pull a rabbit out of the hat and make all this work.

It's pretty much too late for anything interesting to happen at this point. Also, I've pretty much lost interest. You can't watch a show where absolutely nothing happens for 7 episodes and maintain interest. Although It looked super-cute when he smiled at the end - that was mildly interesting.