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Of course we do. Neither Sandee nor Monica can change the past - they have to live with what happened. Neither of them intended for it to happen - you're all acting like Sandee and Monica wanted Ken & Shake dead.

Come on. The supernatural element was introduced in the first ep. I don't believe in any of that, but I accept it's role in this story.

Ken doesn't seem to be aware that he's dead.

Yes, but not just after losing her child. I've never known any parent that could get over that in 6 weeks. I'm really astonished at this mantra everyone has. That kind of devastation takes years to move on from, not a few weeks.

It's both disingenous and hypocritical to say in the same paragraph that you will "allow" me to have an opinion an then attempt to discredit me by making a ridiculous caim that I'm someone connected to this company or the writers. In fact I think the writer is kind of a dick based on his posts and tweets. This is a discussion forum - we're supposed to discuss things, and not everyone is going to have the same opinions. If you don't want to hear other opinions, then don't read them. If you do, then respond without casting aspersions.

The message of most BLs is that if you have a crush on a straight guy, if you just pursue him with enough stalkerish dedication, he will turn gay and fall in love with you (or worse, he'll turn "not gay, I only love my stalker"). In reality, that strategy is a lot more likely to get you beaten to death than to win over the guy. So is that, in your opinion, a healthier message than "homophobia is bad"? Or do you appreciate the reduction of LGBTQ+ boys into cute little stuffed animals being cute with each other to titillate 12-year old girls rather than addressing how we actually suffer persecution, fear, loneliness and disproportionate suicide rates at that age? There's room for the escapism of the standard formula BLs, but there's also room for shows like this that attack the dark side of growing up LGBTQ+. Shows about high school where almost every boy in the entire school is gay or bi isn't going to do anything to change societal attitudes - something shocking like this show might.

No LGBTQ+ person is going to watch this and assume this is the way it always is, unless for some reason they've never watched anything else. The point of this is very clearly that homophobia is destructive, not that being LGBTQ+ condemns you to tragedy.

I guess maybe Asian cultures are 30 years behind the West in this regard. In the 1990's, nothing bad was ever allowed to happen to gay people, and they had to have absolutely perfect characters, because if they were bad, people would gang-pile the produers for a negative portrayal of gays. So the gay characters were so perfect, lifeless, and boring that they usually got written out of the show after a season or two because there was no dramatic use for them. Now, thank God, gays can be regular characters, including villains. You are behaving a bit like the 1990s.

I will grant that they should not have marketed this as a BL, because it's really pushing the definition, and there was no real warning from the trailer that it was this dark.

I actually do get what you're saying. There's a point where the fantasy element has so muddied the story that it's hard to tell what the point is supposed to be. I thought it was "homophobia destroys lives". It doesn't seem like Sandee is really homophobic, she just exploited Monica's homophobia for selfish ends - which I guess is still homophobia destroying lives... anyway, we'll see soon if they can pull a rabbit out of the hat and make all this work.

It's pretty much too late for anything interesting to happen at this point. Also, I've pretty much lost interest. You can't watch a show where absolutely nothing happens for 7 episodes and maintain interest. Although It looked super-cute when he smiled at the end - that was mildly interesting.

This show is a mess. How does bullying someone increase their self-confidence? I'm starting to wonder if these authors have severe emotional disorders. Can Thai BL please, please stop adapting bad novels by bad writers for BLs? And what was the rape scene? Talk about out of nowhere! What was that supposed to accomplish? This is horrible writing, but I should have known it would be full of tired tropes by the title.

It's awful. They need to stop trying to adapt bad novels and write screenplays that are meant for... the screen? I dunno, just a silly thought.

The level of hostility here is astounding, as though nobody has a right to write anything where anything happens to LGBTQ+ people, ever. It's not like it's easy being LGBTQ+ in Asian societies, and I'm not sure there's any particular social value to endless unearned happy endings in every single BL. It's important that there be positive representations and a vision of how things can be, but it's a disservice to ignore how things actually are.

This show has a powerful message: homophobia destroys lives. Every mother that watches this will put herself in Monica's place, and just maybe many of them will have a much better reaction to their child coming out to them as a result.

I'm kind of over the entitlement that BL viewers, the vast majority of whom are straight women, have to cutesy stories that fetishize gay relationships as if our lives are really that easy in high school. I appreciate their evolved view of us and the huge impact they're having on tolerance in Asian societies, but there's a long, long way to go yet.

It's not nothing to her and it's not nothing to the vast majority of parents. That's the point. Homophobia destroys lives. Just because 99% of BLs have consequence-free rainbow & unicorn coming outs doesn't mean that real people are going to have the same success rate. I wish it were like that, but is absolutely is not.

The message is "homophobia destroys lives" which is ABSOLUTELY the right message to give. You're kind of insulting the intelligence of LGBTQ+ people if you think one show will cancel out the 1,000 positive outcomes of coming out shown in all these BLs. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that BL whitewashes how difficult the condition of LGBTQ+ are in most Asian societies and presents an overly optimistic picture that could create unrealistic expectations and lead to disappointment and even tragedy if you come out at the wrong time to the wrong person.

Also, hiding who you are and abandoning your family isn't exactly a healthy message to be giving, is it?

Definitely a Lawrence fan. Z is a great actor and I can't wait for "A Kiss to Remember". All the actors in this are really good.

How did the plot go off the rails? Also, it's been established Sandee has visions of the future, so that turning out to be the case isn't contrived (although it could certainly come off that way if handled poorly).

You mean the two brief mentions of it? No, not tired of it yet. Are you sick of the damn accidental kisses or "I'm not gay, I only love_______" or engineering students?

He also said "relax, nobody dies". Watch the last episode, then judge. You're probably right, but Sandee can see the future, so it could be a vision - then you get a happy ending AND the message that homophobia never has a happy ending.

I think the writing is superlative. I'm happy he's not following the same tired formula.

Are you sure? You haven't seen the ending. Sandee can see the future, so it might be a vision. The only BL I can think of that had a tragic ending was MYDC - ALL of them other than that have sickly sweet endings (not complaining). Also, it wasn't a tragic ending, it was a tragic middle.

As for having seen these stories before, every Thai BL has exactly the same plot (slight exaggeration for the sake of drama) - engineering & medical students, one of the pair has a GF, "I'm not gay, I only love_____" accidental kiss, wash, rinse, repeat. To be fair, music students have recently been allowed in BL, so I guess there is some variety.

I thought I replied to this - thanks for the explanation. I actually LOLed when Type slammed his hand into the glass - that was a copy of the love scene in Titanic.

The second episode was even more boring than the first. And I'll watch it for whatever reason I want, and I'll also write whatever I want about it. If you don't like it when people criticize, it's you that's in the wrong place, not me - why are you here if you can't take opinions that are different than yours? I really liked the first season, I think this season is terrible. I'll watch 3 and then give up if it's continues to be this awful.