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OMG Ep 7 was boring. I usually like a relaxed pace, but that was beyond relaxed - more like deceased. Does it get more interesting?

I am! I'm old so I don't have consistent aliases and should probably change them all.

I haven't seen any of the promos or extras, and I think when I watched the first ep I was in the wrong mindset. I really enjoyed Ep 2 and retroactively appreciated Ep 1 more as a result. This isn't a typical BL, it's a light-hearted comedy that doesn't take itself seriously, like when Chen & his sister had the flashback. Or the outrageous (but welcome) posing of the dorm guard.

Now that the intros are over I can see how clever and funny the writing is, and the cinematography is also really good. The acting is still a bit amateur, but plenty good for the show.

It helped that I watched it after My Extraordinary - I needed a palate cleanser.

I usually refer to it as a trainwreck. It certainly has its moments though, and our main pair have seriously committed to the roles when it comes to portraying a real relationship with actual physical love.

I think part of the problem is that it's neither fish nor fowl - they should either have made it more realistic, or turned up the campiness by several notches and just made it completely outrageous - maybe a few settings below YYY. For example, I'm not sure what the point is of having Miss Becky played by a man if she's not going to be a proper drag queen.

I think Ace is drop-dead cute, but not the sexiest guy in BL - and even though he as a considerably nicer body than Sky, I agree Sky has much more sex appeal. And a good part of it is his voice.

I'm not sure - Ace was fairly dominant in the first sex scene. It looks to me like they intentionally flipped it for the second sex scene. Either way, I'm not complaining!

Got it. I don't think they're top & bottom. Ace was more dominant in the first love scene - check the way he has his hand around Sky's neck - and Sky was more dominant in the second one. The BL obsession with top & bottom is not really true to life. There are tops and bottoms, but there are also a lot of "versatiles", and a relationship can have two tops or two bottoms. Sometimes bottoms feel like topping, etc.

It's funny how sensitive people get about the fluidity of gender, but also want everyone to be in strict top/bottom roles. I suspect it's because BL has traditionally been a female thing, and it may be easier for many of them to identify with the pairing if they can parallel it with the traditional male/female dynamic. The terms seme & uke are more restrictive than top & bottom - there is not necessarily any correlation between size, strength & level of masculinity associated with top & bottom, but there is 99% of the time in seme and uke.

That's one of the things that was exciting about 2gether before they ruined it in the second half - they cast someone as big (actually more muscular) in the uke role as they did for the seme role, and about equal in aggressiveness in terms of personality - in fact it's Tine that's trying to browbeat Sarawat into (fake-) dating him. But then they reverted to form and Tine, in perfect shape, was always fainting like a 19th c heroine with consumption, and otherwise behaving in a passive way.

Again, this is not a criticism, just an observation - our tastes in fiction don't need to have any correlation to reality for us to enjoy it. I think the dynamics in Filipino BL is likely to reflect the much greater LGBTQ+ sensibility and involvement with the creative process, whereas the Thai BLs most of us are used to are written by women for women.

I'm having trouble communicating with you, and I don't think you're reading what I'm writing. "Understandable" means "I can see the emotional motivation for her doing it" not "I approve of her doing it."

You are really merciless with Sandee. She had just performed in a very emotional play and had a conversation with her dead mother, and you think that's an appropriate time to discuss Ken's love life? And then he ignored her for two weeks so she had no opportunity to talk to him about it. She went silent at the theater because Shake knows nothing about her ability to see spirits or other deeply personal things she can discuss with Ken but absolutely not in front of someone she doesn't know.

You are also not using the word "concern" consistently. It the sentence YOU used, "it isn't your concern" it means "a matter of interest or importance to someone", NOT "worry about". Friends are by definition "a matter of interest or importance" to each other, otherwise you're not friends.

And no, it doesn't happen that you abandon your closest friends when you start dating someone unless you're self-centered. Maybe for a day or two here and there, but not 2 entire weeks. You share your joy with your friends, and you depend on them for their advice and to help you understand how you feel by talking about things.

And where did I ever say Shake posted the photos to be malicious? The point is that Sandee had no way of knowing that Shake intended them to be private because he posted them so that all of Ken's friends could see them.

Do you think you're the only gay person in the world who has been outed? A co-worker did it to me at a department lunch in front of my homophobic boss and I lost my job. What does that have to do with anything?

How is it possible to be that incompetent with the subtitles? For ep 11 they were much more comprehensible, but were several MINUTES out of synch with the visuals, and running fast so there was no point to watching. Unbelievable.

I wasn't really referring to you so much as the poster who called Sandee a stupid bitch and Ken's mother an idiot cow.

In your phrase "it isn't your concern", this doesn't mean concerned as in "I'm concerned that Ken is driving without his glasses on". It means "a matter of interest or importance to someone." If you didn't mean it that way, it wasn't clear.

We know what Sandee SHOULD have done, I'm saying she did a very wrong thing but it's understandable (as opposed to justified) and properly motivated in the narrative to make sense for her character, and is redeemable and forgivable. Eventually.

Remember that Sandee was not able to talk about any of this with Ken because he ignored her for two weeks, which is not as wrong as what she did, but this is not an acceptable way to treat your best friend.

And, a mitigating factor is that the photos were posted on a public platform, so it's not like she stole them out of Shake's phone. He didn't mean to make them viewable, but she has no way of knowing that, so it probably also felt like Shake was grinding her face into the ground. Also, if they were seen by all of Ken's FB friends, it's almost certain to have gotten back to Ken's mother regardless. But probably AFTER the sex, and Sandee deserves public execution for depriving us of that.

I think that's on the nose. I checked the shirt too.

This thread is getting disturbingly misogynist. Sandee is heartbroken and Ken's mother is in shock. Sometimes people do the wrong thing. In this case a very wrong thing.

I think it IS her concern and business because they're best friends and share everything. Ken's ghosting her for 2 weeks was cruel - if you've talked to someone every day since early childhood this is pure asshole behavior.

I was probably more touchy with mine - we would lie wrapped around each other for hours, but never did anything overtly gay like kissing.

She didn't become a bitch, she's heartbroken, aggravated by Ken's cruelty in cutting her off. She did an evil thing, but that doesn't make her an "awful bitch", which is a bit strong. When you're that age, that kind of heartbreak is all-consuming and so painful you think your life is over.

I don't know how old you are, but have you ever been heartbroken at Sandee's age? It feels like your world is ended and you don't have the perspective to know the pain will fade. Ken has made it much worse by ghosting her for two weeks, which really sucks if you've talked to someone every day for your entire life.

I understand Ken - it's much harder to come out to people you've known all your life than it is to new friends. I was completely out to everyone within a week of beginning college - but only with everyone at college, not my old friends at home. So as he's going through this it's difficult for him to talk about it with Sandee, so he's avoiding her.

I also understand Sandee - what she did was terrible and malicious, but I'm OK with it because she is a fully-drawn and realistic character, not a 2D cartoon villainess like in "standard" BLs.

The mother, however, is horrible. But even her response is realistic and consistent with her character.

This is not a criticism or an attack, but what was mind-blowing about Ace bottoming?

I like your perspective on this. To me, though, there is so much BL now that I would rather there be a concentration on quality rather than quantity, or the BL "craze" could burn out. To me, there is no comparison in quality between GSP and Oxygen - but then GSP is aimed at me, and Oxygen is aimed at younger women & girls, which I am not, so there are different expectations. To me, cute and fluffy is pointless and boring, but to many of them, drama and depth is off-putting. That sounded condescending, but I don't mean it that way. Being a 14-year old girl is hard, and fluffy BL can be an energizing escape. I'm older, so more challenging dramas like GSP are a welcome diversion from the tedium of working life, whereas fluffy is annoying.

Got it. But my obsession is really WHY DO SO MANY PEOPLE LIKE OXYGEN!?!?!?!? and not so much over GSP. I can understand why people like Boy's Lockdown, which doesn't do much for me - but I can't for the life of me understand how anyone can like Oxygen...at least not for the main couple. It's like watching a carboard box romance a... well, another carboard box.

Wasn't the point that love does NOT transcend gender? They could only have a platonic relationship in the second half because Phop is gay and can't love a woman romantically. They took fairly drastic steps to get around that problem. If you just mean love in general, then sure, but there was a specific type of love between Dew & Phop that didn't work in the second half.

Hunh? What did I say that sounded obsessed? I was joking above. That's what a smiley face means. :)