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Can you give me an example of a hater comment? I can't find any. Everyone either likes the show or gives a reason why they don't. Maybe it's someone I have on ignore or something, but I'm not seeing it.

The high level of acting pulls this through, but it's lacking something - first, there's way too much of Achi's internal monologue. Also, it's not taking advantage of the medium to just hear people's thoughts. That one time when they showed what Karan was thinking was so much more effective - there should be more of that. Even the cat - I would have liked to see it imagining his and Jinta's sizes were reversed and trying to eat him.

Junior is great in this - and can I say that Sing Harit is the most underestimated and unappreciated actor in BL? Has he ever failed to hit a home run? He was even a fantastic villain in Not Me.

I like the secondary couple way, way more in this - the writer in the Japanese version was beyond annoying.

Ditto.

The photography and editing of this are fantastic and beautiful. But I think the structure is off-putting. It might have been better to just have the past story and then jump to the present, or at least do it in fewer chunks. Because we don't really know the characters, the past is relatively meaningless - I think we needed to settle in with the characters first. Although if there are six 30-min episodes, they do need to be economical with time.

You're conflating being an adult with behaving correctly and compassionately, which is sadly not consistent with reality. (That was a joke, not an attack.)

That's possible. The way the subtitles were worded it sounded like he wants to want Day but can't because he's straight. The actual wording might lean in the direction that it's too big a commitment. But that's at odds with his behavior so far, which has been to devote a lot of time to Day and his blindness.

Is a critique that someone is making assumptions really a valid point? Especially when you follow it with a rather lengthly list of assumptions of your own, e.g. "Every time he tries to touch it or imagine it, it is a product of remembering how he was told that “Mohk is handsome” or expressions like that." Is it? Or is it that Mhok has a hot muscular body that feels good to touch and that Day has seen his face, which has been fairly prominently underlined - once when he put in his eyedrops, and again when he got up close when Mhok was "asleep".

Or below in your response to @Merlin Kun, you wrote:

"You say "Day probably thought Mohk was straight." NO. Day has always assessed Mhok as heterosexual. " That is an assumption - and an assertion. Day has never said that, nor is Mhok necessarily straight if he mentions an attraction to a woman.

What characters (and real people) say isn't always true - sometimes deliberately, sometimes wishful thinking, or sometimes they aren't being honest with themselves or don't understand their feelings. I think Day has feelings for Mhok because of the expressions on Mhok's face - you can say that you're operating based on facts, but it's not that simple. I think Day's feelings for Mhok are obvious on Day's face, you don't - that doesn't mean one of us is wrong, beacuse we must surely see things differently due to our circumstances, cultural backgrounds, experiences, and characters.

I think getting up at night and stealing a glimpse at Mhok's face, resting his head on his shoulder, and his wistful expression and appearing to lean in as if considering a kiss as Mhok is reading to him are all strong signs of his feelings for Mhok, and there too many others to list.

I meant "drama" in the sense of the definition of the word, not the slang meaning. I disagree - if people are perfect, then the story can only be driven by external events, which makes the resolution feel unearned.

For example, it's extremely common in BL for two boys to begin their relationship by one of them tripping and the other catching him or the plot is moved forward by extremelty unlikely coincidences leading to totally implausible misunderstandings. There are always going to be external circumstances, but when they're shallow and used as a lazy shortcut rather than providing a setting to develop the characters, it's not satisfying.

Mhok should not have kissed Day, and it will likely be a mistake (that's an assumption, but it's Ep 6 and extremely unlikely to result in their being together [although the same director did in fact get the couple together this early in Bad Buddy, which I would argue deflated the story and reduced it to to a repetitive stream of fan-service]) - but it was consistent with Mhok's character and subsquent events will be driven by that act. Maybe some people would like us to have St. Mhok for the rest of the series, but I think that would be tedious and boring. The edge of Mhok's character creates dramatic tension. if he weren't aggressive, would he be as attractive? And would there be any chance of him getting together with Day?

OK. There were a couple of things wrong with this episode that I think were saved by the acting and the narrative framework of the story,

The chief problem was the August storyline, which was frankly a little ridiculous. August is a grown man, not 13 - he thought he could turn gay for Day? Come on. It didn't ring true at all.

Second, it's a bit questionable to kiss somoene, especially if they're blind and can't see it coming, just after they've had their heart broken (as far as Mhok knows).

The episode is framed by Mhok reading a fairy tale to Day - in one flashback we see Day yearning to kiss Mohk - but more importantly, many fairy tales are about curses broken by true love's kiss, and if anyone is Prince Charming, it's Mhok with those pecs and abs Day keeps feeling up every chance he can get. And that voice...

Most likely it didn't occur to Day that Mhok was a viable option for him, but he's clearly strongly attracted to him, and a kiss can hold a lot of power. If you don't want to be kissed by someone, it's unpleasant, even revolting. But if you do want it, and it's a good kiss, it's electric.

Finally, Mhok shouldn't have done it, but he's impulsive and impefect. If you think about it, don't we love people for their flaws more than for their perfection? And if everyone in a drama behaved perfect,y, well, there would be no drama.

I don't think that's an accurate representation of August, who doesn't despise Day, he loves him so much that he tried to be something he can't be.

The kiss wasn't out of the blue - when Mhok was reading to him they almost did, initiated by Day, who you may havve noticed takes every chance he. can to feel up Mohk's pecs and abs.

Sometimes you have a crush on the idea of someone, especially if it's someone from your past. Day probably assumed Mhok wasn't a viable option - but he's clearly attracted to him, not only as a person but physically, and a kiss can be a powerful thing. This story has been framed by the reading of a fairy tale, and most of those end with curses broken by true love's kiss.

Imagining myself in Day's shoes, I'd probably have been thinking "Gosh, if only Mhok were gay, he'd be perfect for me." That kiss probably felt more like his prayers being answered than anything else.

Yes, Mohk shouldn't have done it, but if people behave perfectly correctly, there isn't a drama, there's a deatlhly boring story about people doing day-to-day thinks. Mhok is compelling because he's got flaws, and when it comes down to it, are you attracted to people for their perfections, or their flaws?

Thank you! It appears to be somewhat dangerous to not like a Korean BL series... Some of my favorite series are Korean, but you can't hit a home run every day.

A year ago I would have said Off is not a match for Gun in acting, but I'm not so sure about that annymore. Gun is good, but he plays the same character in every BL. Off has huge range, able to pull off tough & sexy as well as shy and vulnerable (and sexy. The glasses. I can't take it.) He's wonderful in this - every second is compelling.

Although I get horrendously distracted by his.... you know what.

I've had to start ff through Samsi scenes - it's the one thing marring an otherwise stellar series. It's not the actor's fault - he's playing it well, but ugh.

Actually, make it two things. The stupid sound effects are getting on my nerves and ruining cute/romantic scenes. The humor in general in this is unnecessary - it's OK for Neo's couple, but for example that scene where the bleached guy was teasing Off for being dressed up was way too long and it got irritating and embarassing.

Whew - two in a row - OK, I'm starting to feel like I haven't popped into an alternate universe. Sunshine was just dumped by his apparently long-cheating boyfriend without warning. Is it unexpected that he might not react to that with perfect behavior?

I think people re judging this by the standards of a BL, which it is not.

I hope there's no novel - I'm getting burned out on adaptations of bad novels - or at least adaptations by people who don't know how to write screenplays. This series at least uses the visual medium to its fullest - no exposition dumps and incessant internal monologues.

This is a naked adaptation of Faust - if Sunshine isn't reckless and immature the story can't happen. I can't tell yet if this is more like the original story or the Goethe version - hopefully the former.

I'm kind of relieved you said this - reading this forum I feel like I exist in a different universe. Rain cheats on Sunshine then dumps him without warning, brings his new bf to the breakup, and then doesn't seem to have any serious objection to the bf physically assaulting Sunshine while also blaming him for immature behavior... I'd rather have someone who is at least honest to a self-absorbed entitled hypocritical gaslighting dick like Rain. Also, it's hard to imagine ever tiring of Sunshine's body, no matter what his personality is like, but I'm shallow.

Quick question, and this is not an attack, I just don't undetstand somerthing. Is the symbolism in this too Christian to be picked up on by Asian audiences? The commentary in this section makes me feel that people are missing the point of the story and seeing it in terms of a normal BL and judging Sunshine on those terms, i.e. if he were a "normal" ML, sure, he wouldn't look too good - but that's not what he is. This isn't a shallow cookie-cutter story - and while the scene of him going up the elevator was not exactly subtle, I'm wondering if the story is different to me because I grew up in the West.

But even looking at it on a shallow level, would it be fair to expect someone who is suddenly and without warning dumped by someone he's in love with while simultaneously discovering he's been cheated on - for a long time - by a lying hypocritical gaslighting asshole - to behave perfectly? And somehow nobody seems to mind that Rain's new bf physically assaulted him. I know it's fashionable to think words can be violence, but they absolutely cannot. The moral difference between saying something mean and actually physically attacking someone is orders of magnitude.

I couldn't disagree more. I'm sick to death of BLs with shiny-perfect people and all of the drama driven by contrived external sources. I much prefer flawed characters and organic drama. Do you really prefer it when people fall in love because one trips, the other catches him, and they stare at each other until they turn gay?

Characters don't all have to be individually relatable - sometimes you recognize the character in people you know, and there are lots of Sunshines out there.

For me, Rain is a nauseating entitled gaslighting hypocrite and way more irritating than Sunshine. If I were criticizing the writing, it would be that he's so awful that it's hard to believe other characters don't immediately see it.

He's modest, but sometimes he wears something a little too small and I can't concentrate all day - if you like arms, this is the guy for you. I like legs, and he's all about that, too. I usually prefer short guys to tall, so it's a little rare for me to be attracted to someone who's 6'3" - 190 cm to you metric types. OK, I might be a little obsessed.

This is also a comedy, though, so a little discconect between Karan's sweet feelings and a bit of animal desire would be funny. It doesn't have to involve whips and chains, it can be him in a wolf outit and Achi in a rabbit costume.

Do you mean in the Japanese live action or the manga? Because in the manga, Kurosawa's thoughts were not very pure. I prefer the manga approach. Even if you have bf feelings toward someone, there are still twisted things you'll think about that you would never do in real life. Like there's this guy at work I have a crush on - he's excellent bf material, but I was noticing his huge hands and thinking about things he could do with them... Not that I'd want that in real life, but if he were reading my thoughts he might have a freakout.

That was better than I expected. By letting us see images of what Karan wants to do to Achi, Achi's reactions make sense. One of the problems with the Japanese version was that it was so sanitized that Aichi's reactions came off as homophobic and childish.

The acting was good and both New and especially Sing have great comic timing.

The screenplay is pretty bad, though, with way too much "tell, don't show". There's enough hearing people's thoughts, so that Achi's internal monologue is too much, and totally unncessesary and distracting - New's expressions say it all, and it feels like the production doesn't trust it's lead actor. It's also distancing. I'm not disconnected because New is so great, but it could have been a level higher in impact if we weren't always being told what to think and feel about what's happening,

It's also a bit irregular in energy level - it lags in a lot of spots, but overall, I dig it.

Same - just as long as it isn't a cheap manipulation. So far I'm impressed with the restraint of this series - it's moving without being maudlin.