It could have been good. The actors certainly did their very best to slay and from what I read they sure didn't take the easy route by using actual dancers for acting.
The writing however is just sad. Instead of a gay men's story + some attention to dance competition rot hurdles, what we get is "men's ego trips, more of that and men's abuse of women and having women do all the emotional babysitting of teenage-brain boys with big big feelings they don't account for and express in two forms of the same damn violence".
Allas this story is doing no job at advocacy for gay men, alienating to women (when in reality we're the most likely to be allies and buddies to each other) and basically portrays the whole world of dance as creepy business (when that field is very wide and very diverse. Though I will say that "follow the money" is true across all parts of societies).
Take great set-up and amazing actors and then instead of modernising and fixing the story it's "run with the most abuse way to portray any of this". Seriously, story wise the women were the only ones doing a great job. From giving healthy advice, to being supportive of each other to mothering those immature ego trip characters as far as that's possible in a raging sexism setup.
Goodness me! Men's opinions of men sure as heck is the worst. Where are they when they get such awful representation? I'm upset for all the actresses and actors! They sure as heck deserved better!
Bad story, bad acting, so cringe.A rape victim who gets into a relationship with a man who is also a sexual aggressor,…
It's a problem. But then also I am somewhat surprised that people seem often unaware, how SA survivors come in different presentations. One of which by the way is coping via confrontation aka hyper-sexual behaviour. Part of trauma is choosing similar experience, because too wholesome experiences are significantly more terrifying with a nervous system that constantly waits for "the other shoe to drop" which then doesn't, which then can lead to survivors provoking conflict (subconsciously) to gain a sense of safety in the "known" (which doesn't equal "good").
Aka it's a problem. It's just also a realistic route. Survivors working themselves not towards wholesome partners, but instead trauma cohesive partners with less trauma triggering potential and more growth potential than the abuser and/or last partner.
It's uncomfortably closer to how reality actually works. But then I fully agree with you, that these are not things to glorify and heck did this show (or as I understand: the original writing) make a damn ugly mess of things. ////orz////
So, yeah. Noone should watch this in glorifying manner and without critical thinking. It's a study on "messed up" and "the mess that human growth is, mid-way".
I personally only come back for specific moments that just show amazing closeness acting. But am avoiding the rest like the plague :'D
I ended up watching it a second time. I was just coming back for some sweet scenes of their but was sucked right back into the whole story :'D And the original main story, too!!
Regardless of their bickering (which I'm not quite a fan of) they're really my most favourite BL character couple and acting pair. I really have a surprisingly soft spot for them even though I wasn't following their careers closely. I recently found their next production is upcoming and it made me so very happy. Even other later production that clearly didn't have any of the budget and wasn't the greatest writing, I loved to see them act together so much. They have that vibe of people who genuinely care for each other and love to work together.
Also this story - another one of healing from quite the crass trauma - was so so so so good. Some writing person/people were at work who not only "get it" but also write my favourite type of drama: "No true villains, just people struggling and some good people making really damaging mistakes while in pain, to then find the damn guts to own up to how they didn't show up as they should have".
Also I'm consent-sexual and consent-romantic X'D Why the heck is this bickering pair the best I've seen thus far in ACTUAL consent discussions and decision making. Health awareness, emotional and social intelligence in men. Damn it, so much is so good. It's good AND not perfect, like humans and societies aren't!
I ended up watching it twice. Regardless of the story being so full of tears as it builds on the premise of healing a tragedy and trauma. They messed up an important part: having a survivor apologise to their abusers, said abusers being clearly regretful, but not truly apologising to the survivors.
But other than that (the typical add placements and the poor fish in that tiny tank) I really still love the overall story, though "Between Us" manages to outrank it for me.
Ah, I almost forgot, but the Korn x Intouch couple did overall good acting but intimacy was really not their expertise :'D Not in this setting anyway!
Edit: I almost forgot another very vital criticism. They have amazing Manow who gets a sweet relationship. Allas it sucks that there were fat shaming comments. I know it's culturally a thing and particularly in some countries, but damn a recent and BL production. I would have hoped for more awareness and better handing of that topic!
Pleeeeease 13 days are such a long wait! :'D I shall survive them somehow. I can't believe we'll get to see Bound and Prem again. Please please please be well written, pleeeease (honestly, just not messing up terribly will already do, in this case. Just don't ruin their chemistry and don't let the plot be too silly and already we should be doing great!!!)
Why in the heavens did this escape me back then? :'3 Well those were some very funny short episodes, in spite…
- (moderate) the product placements you should probably be used to if you saw the main work
- (major) such big fish don't belong in such a tiny vessel
- (minor) let's not coerce into affection displays via food, can we? :'D This pair had such fantastic boundary discussion in the main work, it's a bit sad to do this. Though they did have coercion by using tutoring there, too. Let's not do any of that any more :'3
- (major, for me) personally, "daddy" "baby" are two "endearments" that give me creepy feelings. It's verbal normalisation of pedo dynamic and people use them in the same brain free manner as they use sexist or racist terminology, like none of these things matter ////orz//// Thankfully that was just one segment of one mini-episode
I'm sure there's been more, but I'll cut them that slack. That pair is probably still my most favourite BL character AND actor team to this day. In spite of not being lovey dovey but rather on the wild chaotic side. And I'm just happy to see them.
Why in the heavens did this escape me back then? :'3 Well those were some very funny short episodes, in spite of the problems Those being: see spoiler below
You gotta remember to watch adaptations with fresh eyes, like a new story. They can never live up to the volume…
I sure wouldn't have minded them fleshing our this story. Since it's good. I just imagine they'd have budget problems. Sadly often movies with harmonious couple relationships and not so much drama between the couple just doesn't get pushed like the drama drama does! Which is a total shame! So I find your stance very relatable!
Guess we can be grateful if a second life action should work out. Though there'll be the worry if the cast stays the same! :'3
I really loved this movie but I rated it lower because I felt that it was too short. It should have been a jdrama.
You gotta remember to watch adaptations with fresh eyes, like a new story. They can never live up to the volume of originals or series LOL so it's not fair to judge them by that standard. Then again there was a post credit scene so clearly a hint towards a second movie :P or anyway and indication that there's more to the story that wraps up the lose ends, which Season 2 of the anime is.
at the end of the movie there's an after credit, is that her family or a new character?
It is a specific member of her family who is yet to be properly introduced. They were deemed gone :'D And their connection to Mio hits way too close to home. If you're curious, the anime of "Watashi no Shiawase na Kekkon" already has a fully released season two.. And to my huge surprise i just found out a season 3 was announced and is expected around 2027-ish?? Unless it's just a wrap up marriage type episode, which I REALLY would prefer, as they wrapped up S2 so well. I really don't want them to touch it any more :'D
I loved the anime to bits and surprisingly this live action movie was pretty good, given how damn short of a time they had to tell the whole first season. The awkward acting is ON POINT for their characters, as that's exactly how they should be!!
The anime season 2 wrapped up the loose ends, so I was hoping they'd have a second movie, but given the time passing, it doesn't look like it? Though then I'm seeing there was actually announcement of season 3, which is anticipated to drop somewhen towards 2027? Which I find unsettling, cause they wrapped season two up and I was hoping they'd be damn left alone. Unless Season 3 is actually just an OVA or wrap up episode of their actual marriage and family life after.
When practicing, the martial artists have their minds and attentions on the moves each other are heading and how…
In all of this, I really fear you're the one taking things too hard. Conversation can run deep and that can be enjoyable. I really do not know why you associate serious conversation this negatively. A lot of people enjoy deep talk.
When you start with "I wonder if", it's not unreasonable to assume you're actually asking a question. People are different and occasionally don't understand things and ask about them.
As you repeatedly mentioned, we are on the internet. It's written communication. People cannot read your mind or tone of voice (as we can wonderfully see by your own reaction, as you repeatedly get offended as if I'm insulting you and not merely sharing perspectives).
I'm just really sad you go out of your way and insist that you way of communicating with people is the way I should, too. I'm not you. I seem to frequent other parts of the internet than you, it seems. But the way you keep putting this, it feels like you're shaming me for my communication choices. And that's just not a good basis to have conversation.
So let's wrap up. You don't seem comfortable and I did not come in here to tease you. But just to answer what looked like a question and offer some perspective.
Next time you see a serious reply, consider skipping over it, rather than suggesting that that's not an acceptable reaction. Or possibly wrap it up with a simple "Oh, sorry, that was rhetoric rather than a question". Because two ppl in here took your comment for a question and answered seriously.
When practicing, the martial artists have their minds and attentions on the moves each other are heading and how…
And it was solid input. It's really like that! You train with ppl, you concentrate on a dance show, you do your medical work. Life is full of people getting the most weird types of close and they don't spend a thought on anything but that. I'm always happy to see it, cause it's an actually good and more realistic way to portray such interactions.
When practicing, the martial artists have their minds and attentions on the moves each other are heading and how…
Discussing how sexism shapes our perception is by no definition conservative, just to clarify that :'D
The thing is, that "gay panic" requires the character to a) have internalised homophobia and b) sexual attraction/romantic feelings.
It's a trope that is good to finally ditch. Exactly for the reasons that nothing about it is cute. It's a damaging trope that shames same sex attraction, especially when used in "actually heterosexual" couple setups.
Also that whole thing about people "turning into a mess" from mere closeness is just ..... :'D Can we all grow up and keep that sort of dynamic to teenage romance, where it really belongs? XDDDDD
When practicing, the martial artists have their minds and attentions on the moves each other are heading and how…
Why a whole country? X'D Where did that come from?? Also aren't you the one taking some minor educational commentary too seriously? I'd say you should enjoy your chill pill when a reply contains some serious notion. There's no "set way" to exist on the internet. X'D Your reaction was so funny. It's like you had a whole averse reaction.
Well, sorry for triggering all that then? It wasn't meant to be distressing, just some healthy food for thought. Here, have a cup of tea. Good deep breaths.
When practicing, the martial artists have their minds and attentions on the moves each other are heading and how…
You can thank sexism for not being used to platonic male to male closeness then, poor sweet! People get used to anything. Ask dancers about how they change costumes and strip behind the stage, regardless of who's there and not only do they not damn care, everyone is expected to be professional.
Having sexualised narrative about ppl we work with is not only not normal, but also says a lot about people not concentrating on doing their assigned tasks properly X'D So, this expectation really comes from what you know and expect of a drama, rather than what's realistic in such situation.
I hate goblin with a passion but aos is my all time favorite so I don't think if you like this you will like that…
There is no scenario in which he will be "at the right age" for any human. Aka he will always be ancient. Aka what age did you need her to be, to not feel conflicted? Especially after getting reborn? How long did you want them to wait to feel better about it? Especially considering she regains her memory? She's 19. In Germany you're an adult at 18 and it seems it's similar in Korea (at least that's what the search brought up).
I have been more mature than any adults around me since childhood, and at age 19 all the more so. I have to say though I've gained in experience, there's not much that changed in terms of ability when it comes to assessing my feelings and making calls in terms of any relationship building. Trauma survivors have a tendency to mature faster and same is true for their story. Meanwhile now that I'm 36, I know plenty of adults twice my age who can't even get the basic of "running a healthy relationship" right. And they're pretty common. (=_=)
Grooming specifically applies to approaching minors specifically with sexual intentions. Which is not the case. Neither in terms of her starting age at any point, nor in terms of sexual intentions. Because their relationship is always portrayed as being at the stage of "mutual feelings of love" and they go nowhere near intercourse. I cannot remember if they even had any kiss scenes on that show at all. Maybe there was one and I forgot?? It's been a while.
So if he had been a solider who died at idk age 20 (unlikely to have that military position at such age) then would you still have the same stance? Or is any notion of anyone connecting with an immortal not acceptable? And past life memories contribute 0 to maturity? (No need to answer these questions. They are more for the purpose of asking yourself if changing these variables would change your perspective, even though they aren't changing the age gap per se)
Aka it really makes no use to use "grooming" as a term. It's outright incorrect use. Meanwhile - as I said - if you feel strange and hung up over age gaps between adults, then that is an OK struggle to have, though I will say, that age really doesn't correlate half as much with actual emotional and social maturity as people frame it to be X'D
So your personal preference is OK. But misapplication of terminology is not. And I personally disagree on judging people based of age, as I'm one of those people who knows what it's like to spend a damn long time waiting, till the people of your age even remotely start to get anywhere near helpful or interesting. Even at age 36 it's difficult, especially as woman (we're often better socialised than men). And if that goblin from the drama were to appear before me, he'd be like a teenager to me, in terms of maturity, the way he was written like a damn brat. Which made a fantastic point on how living many years doesn't equal maturity at all.
I will also not stand for "just excuses to justify said grooming". That is highly inappropriate to say. It's taking your personal discomfort with age gaps, slapping on a scandalous term incorrectly onto a drama that didn't go there (to express your personal discomfort) and then dismissing nuance and how people with different needs and experiences exist and aren't half as scandalous or problematic as you presented them to be.
I repeat: You are completely entitled to your personal discomfort. But this is a case of personal bias and not a case of the drama being scandalous in the way you described it to be.
Now, I am personally fine to agree to disagree and to move on. I do not think we need to reach more of a conclusion here. And I think this should be enough to give future readers an idea how different people approach Goblin drama. And how it's similar or different from the concept of Alchemy of Souls (which also features undead but handles it within the life cycles where they turn, so to speak)
The writing however is just sad. Instead of a gay men's story + some attention to dance competition rot hurdles, what we get is "men's ego trips, more of that and men's abuse of women and having women do all the emotional babysitting of teenage-brain boys with big big feelings they don't account for and express in two forms of the same damn violence".
Allas this story is doing no job at advocacy for gay men, alienating to women (when in reality we're the most likely to be allies and buddies to each other) and basically portrays the whole world of dance as creepy business (when that field is very wide and very diverse. Though I will say that "follow the money" is true across all parts of societies).
Take great set-up and amazing actors and then instead of modernising and fixing the story it's "run with the most abuse way to portray any of this". Seriously, story wise the women were the only ones doing a great job. From giving healthy advice, to being supportive of each other to mothering those immature ego trip characters as far as that's possible in a raging sexism setup.
Goodness me! Men's opinions of men sure as heck is the worst. Where are they when they get such awful representation? I'm upset for all the actresses and actors! They sure as heck deserved better!
Aka it's a problem. It's just also a realistic route. Survivors working themselves not towards wholesome partners, but instead trauma cohesive partners with less trauma triggering potential and more growth potential than the abuser and/or last partner.
It's uncomfortably closer to how reality actually works. But then I fully agree with you, that these are not things to glorify and heck did this show (or as I understand: the original writing) make a damn ugly mess of things. ////orz////
So, yeah. Noone should watch this in glorifying manner and without critical thinking. It's a study on "messed up" and "the mess that human growth is, mid-way".
I personally only come back for specific moments that just show amazing closeness acting. But am avoiding the rest like the plague :'D
Regardless of their bickering (which I'm not quite a fan of) they're really my most favourite BL character couple and acting pair. I really have a surprisingly soft spot for them even though I wasn't following their careers closely. I recently found their next production is upcoming and it made me so very happy. Even other later production that clearly didn't have any of the budget and wasn't the greatest writing, I loved to see them act together so much. They have that vibe of people who genuinely care for each other and love to work together.
Also this story - another one of healing from quite the crass trauma - was so so so so good. Some writing person/people were at work who not only "get it" but also write my favourite type of drama: "No true villains, just people struggling and some good people making really damaging mistakes while in pain, to then find the damn guts to own up to how they didn't show up as they should have".
Also I'm consent-sexual and consent-romantic X'D Why the heck is this bickering pair the best I've seen thus far in ACTUAL consent discussions and decision making. Health awareness, emotional and social intelligence in men. Damn it, so much is so good. It's good AND not perfect, like humans and societies aren't!
But other than that (the typical add placements and the poor fish in that tiny tank) I really still love the overall story, though "Between Us" manages to outrank it for me.
Ah, I almost forgot, but the Korn x Intouch couple did overall good acting but intimacy was really not their expertise :'D Not in this setting anyway!
Edit: I almost forgot another very vital criticism. They have amazing Manow who gets a sweet relationship. Allas it sucks that there were fat shaming comments. I know it's culturally a thing and particularly in some countries, but damn a recent and BL production. I would have hoped for more awareness and better handing of that topic!
- (major) such big fish don't belong in such a tiny vessel
- (minor) let's not coerce into affection displays via food, can we? :'D This pair had such fantastic boundary discussion in the main work, it's a bit sad to do this. Though they did have coercion by using tutoring there, too. Let's not do any of that any more :'3
- (major, for me) personally, "daddy" "baby" are two "endearments" that give me creepy feelings. It's verbal normalisation of pedo dynamic and people use them in the same brain free manner as they use sexist or racist terminology, like none of these things matter
////orz//// Thankfully that was just one segment of one mini-episode
I'm sure there's been more, but I'll cut them that slack. That pair is probably still my most favourite BL character AND actor team to this day. In spite of not being lovey dovey but rather on the wild chaotic side. And I'm just happy to see them.
Well those were some very funny short episodes, in spite of the problems
Those being: see spoiler below
Guess we can be grateful if a second life action should work out. Though there'll be the worry if the cast stays the same! :'3
The anime season 2 wrapped up the loose ends, so I was hoping they'd have a second movie, but given the time passing, it doesn't look like it? Though then I'm seeing there was actually announcement of season 3, which is anticipated to drop somewhen towards 2027? Which I find unsettling, cause they wrapped season two up and I was hoping they'd be damn left alone. Unless Season 3 is actually just an OVA or wrap up episode of their actual marriage and family life after.
When you start with "I wonder if", it's not unreasonable to assume you're actually asking a question. People are different and occasionally don't understand things and ask about them.
As you repeatedly mentioned, we are on the internet. It's written communication. People cannot read your mind or tone of voice (as we can wonderfully see by your own reaction, as you repeatedly get offended as if I'm insulting you and not merely sharing perspectives).
I'm just really sad you go out of your way and insist that you way of communicating with people is the way I should, too. I'm not you. I seem to frequent other parts of the internet than you, it seems. But the way you keep putting this, it feels like you're shaming me for my communication choices. And that's just not a good basis to have conversation.
So let's wrap up. You don't seem comfortable and I did not come in here to tease you. But just to answer what looked like a question and offer some perspective.
Next time you see a serious reply, consider skipping over it, rather than suggesting that that's not an acceptable reaction. Or possibly wrap it up with a simple "Oh, sorry, that was rhetoric rather than a question". Because two ppl in here took your comment for a question and answered seriously.
The thing is, that "gay panic" requires the character to a) have internalised homophobia and b) sexual attraction/romantic feelings.
It's a trope that is good to finally ditch. Exactly for the reasons that nothing about it is cute. It's a damaging trope that shames same sex attraction, especially when used in "actually heterosexual" couple setups.
Also that whole thing about people "turning into a mess" from mere closeness is just ..... :'D Can we all grow up and keep that sort of dynamic to teenage romance, where it really belongs? XDDDDD
Well, sorry for triggering all that then? It wasn't meant to be distressing, just some healthy food for thought. Here, have a cup of tea. Good deep breaths.
Having sexualised narrative about ppl we work with is not only not normal, but also says a lot about people not concentrating on doing their assigned tasks properly X'D So, this expectation really comes from what you know and expect of a drama, rather than what's realistic in such situation.
I have been more mature than any adults around me since childhood, and at age 19 all the more so. I have to say though I've gained in experience, there's not much that changed in terms of ability when it comes to assessing my feelings and making calls in terms of any relationship building. Trauma survivors have a tendency to mature faster and same is true for their story. Meanwhile now that I'm 36, I know plenty of adults twice my age who can't even get the basic of "running a healthy relationship" right. And they're pretty common.
(=_=)
Grooming specifically applies to approaching minors specifically with sexual intentions. Which is not the case. Neither in terms of her starting age at any point, nor in terms of sexual intentions. Because their relationship is always portrayed as being at the stage of "mutual feelings of love" and they go nowhere near intercourse. I cannot remember if they even had any kiss scenes on that show at all. Maybe there was one and I forgot?? It's been a while.
So if he had been a solider who died at idk age 20 (unlikely to have that military position at such age) then would you still have the same stance? Or is any notion of anyone connecting with an immortal not acceptable? And past life memories contribute 0 to maturity? (No need to answer these questions. They are more for the purpose of asking yourself if changing these variables would change your perspective, even though they aren't changing the age gap per se)
Aka it really makes no use to use "grooming" as a term. It's outright incorrect use. Meanwhile - as I said - if you feel strange and hung up over age gaps between adults, then that is an OK struggle to have, though I will say, that age really doesn't correlate half as much with actual emotional and social maturity as people frame it to be X'D
So your personal preference is OK. But misapplication of terminology is not. And I personally disagree on judging people based of age, as I'm one of those people who knows what it's like to spend a damn long time waiting, till the people of your age even remotely start to get anywhere near helpful or interesting. Even at age 36 it's difficult, especially as woman (we're often better socialised than men). And if that goblin from the drama were to appear before me, he'd be like a teenager to me, in terms of maturity, the way he was written like a damn brat. Which made a fantastic point on how living many years doesn't equal maturity at all.
I will also not stand for "just excuses to justify said grooming". That is highly inappropriate to say. It's taking your personal discomfort with age gaps, slapping on a scandalous term incorrectly onto a drama that didn't go there (to express your personal discomfort) and then dismissing nuance and how people with different needs and experiences exist and aren't half as scandalous or problematic as you presented them to be.
I repeat: You are completely entitled to your personal discomfort. But this is a case of personal bias and not a case of the drama being scandalous in the way you described it to be.
Now, I am personally fine to agree to disagree and to move on. I do not think we need to reach more of a conclusion here. And I think this should be enough to give future readers an idea how different people approach Goblin drama. And how it's similar or different from the concept of Alchemy of Souls (which also features undead but handles it within the life cycles where they turn, so to speak)