The HATE that "ONLY FOR LOVE" received needs a LENS adjustment ~ dedicated to OFL shippers on this DISCUSSION BOARD .. as well as ANYONE else who enjoys differing opinions and wouldn't mind a second think .. or a different lens to view the drama through.
NOW firstly ~
WHY I went ahead and wrote this spiel:
Yesterday I watched this lady AVENUEx RANT against the show on her video blog - the priestess with her sermon of negativity and judgmental comments on those who enjoyed the show (YES I and a Rewatcher of OFL).
For context of what I wrote I think you might want to hear her out first :
It's ALL given away in the "tongue-in-cheek" title - ONLY FOR LOVE - the operative word being "ONLY". That all the "listed and labeled as ridiculous" stuff happens BECAUSE it's "LOVE". Who hasn't .. doesn't watch a LOVE story where folks do STUPID - self harming - self respect blowing up stuff .. because those LOVE hormones are wacky!!! It does not OFTEN intersect with LOGIC or engage with INTELLECT.
Even Someset Maughm knew this when he wrote : "Of HUMAN BONDAGE" .. Bring on a platter of 21st century WOKENESS to dem apples my dears who have JUST the ONE tool to analyse a show with.
If one views it through that lens the Drama may not look so absurd, regressive, objectified, old century etcetera.
A lens changes how things would look like to someone without it .. people with clear vision would see things distorted, blurry; and people with unclear vision 'might' see things clearly (or not).
@AvenueX takes her job as a 'Drama Optician" VERY VERY SERIOUSLY and wants to correct everyone's vision whether it really helps them or not, whether they need them or not .. She use self righteous language to 'correct' vision, whether it actually corrects or not isn't that clear, and of course it's her prerogative to pontificate, it's her channel.
So what do those who LIKED the show see?
~ a beautiful woman is a beautiful woman .. it's NOT difficult to understand (from experience in real life) that men are drawn to "appearance" at first (as are women). If this FACT sounds like complete B.S. we are living in different worlds. A classic, standard, pop romance story MORE often than not BEGINS with the 'first look of desire and adoration' of how the opposite sex looks. (And they are in general ALSO beautiful in the eyes of other characters in the Novel / Film). Be it DAISY in GREAT GATSBY or ANY of the Ladies in Shakespeare's Romances (Juliet??) or Grace Kelly or Ms Golightly in BF at Tiffany's .. EVEN in Pride and Prejudice .. it's the beauty of the older sister (with ironically a Plain "Jane" for a name) Ms Bennet who captivates Mr Bingley and makes him approach her. FIRST SIGHT ROMANCE!!!! CLASSIC ROMANCE TROPE.
Shi Yan HAS already been HOOKED (the director made no bones about it) as he looks at her through the rained upon glass window of the car .. He had spotted her at the conference with this 'good looking' proff .. but given he wears glasses he may not have had a clear view of her face .. maybe just her pleasing form (it happens .. even a Psychologist / evolutionary anthropologist will agree from their research). When she hurls nasties at his car when he's wondering if he should slow down and give her a ride (?) he quickly recoils, ego and prestige dented (and maybe not quite sure she's attractive any more).
SHE has NOT been hooked at this point .. nor does she notice his looks for a LONG while in the story .. she is single mindedly focused to : - getting the interview (at first THAT IS ALL she is interested in) - revenge (which she considers a possibility, solely as a power trip over theTWO scumbags who made her feel like a total reject)
Firstly, she is AMBITIOUS to the hilt and does NOT let even a BF's birthday get in the way of her project. She is NOT ambitious for 'power' BUT for an experimental e-magazine (which might not even get her money or be successful) which has been her longest standing dream, she is sticking it out at her stagnant position (though she could easily bid for it and win) because she isn't aiming to rise in hierarchy but to focus on lobbying for the e-magazine which she feels is more 'socially' relevant as a business news source than the BIGGY mag she is working with now.
Her attitude to her BF tells us that she takes him for granted, a fixture in her busy life (he has supposedly pursued her for ages and she finally decided she'd give it a go to everyone's surprise - he isn't a shiny penny next to her - AND she has so far been loyal .. and took his loyalty for granted. Albeit she is not the best judge of people, this fact also reinforces her character as someone who is MORE FOCUSED on her job- work life goals than a personal relationship oriented life). Her response to him on his birthday is mechanical .. no warmth .. only good hearted, sincere, verbal apologies, like one would offer a colleague. She looks tired and ready to call it a day, NOT full of vibe and excited to while the night away as expected on one's BF's bday which one has crashed terribly.
There you have it. An immensely interesting character .. Drop dead beautiful (and she is aware of the impact it has on others); fiercely ambitious and dedicated to her work even at the expense of health and family and relationships; not that great in sussing out people nor given to cultivating rapport and camaderie within her work field; and other than one loyal, 'player', emotionally messed up friend, she has NO ONE, who is with her because she is a 'NICE' person. The people who seem to like her are those who are in awe of her reputation as an award winning journo. So now the viewer is primed to observe WHAT does someone like her do going forward. How does her character deal with life's challenges, in her job, her dream, her personal relationships (with friends with future potential love interests - will she even have one?). How does she use what she 'assumes' are her strengths .. by birth, luck and that gained by her own diligence and hard work. How does she deal with mess ups and does she finally 'feel' for something other than her 'job', and her misguided attempts to salve her 'injured ego'.
So YESS!! Her EGO is dented BADLY, that this scum she had taken on in all faith DARED to ditch her for 'wealth and position' - two things she was NOT into, nor expected to get from the person she decided to date (and possibly consider marrying).
THE RAIN!!! So significant in this scene. She has been relentlessly rained on this evening, hungry - approached by weirdos in cars - her stomach is a mess (gastritis for sure from the endless coffees; and trust me it's a journo's ever constant ailment) AND she did not manage to get the interview, after going to great lengths to chase down the interviewee, AND she left her phone behind in her bf's car .. and she sees the betrayal .. it's like that evening the heavens conspired to hold her head down in the toilet bowl. The anger, hurt, vengefulness, that swept her up and then threw her self esteem into the gutter .. WELL .. I cant think of a more powerful and interesting way to HOOK a viewer into the show. So when she comes up with a mad, impractical, childish scheme to 'seduce' the top honcho to get her 'esteem' back, to power trip over the ex and the 'flaky rich pretty young gal' we know she is courting disaster ... but we also see that she is still sincerely committed to the article she has taken on, and will do anything to get it done to perfection. Disappointments and criticism isn't going to deter her or bog her down. She is almost 'NAIVE' about how her inability to maintain 'propriety' when it comes to when / where / how she achieves her goal, will be perceived in the world (by colleagues and those who don't know her much - in this case even the drama viewers who are sitting on judgement about the 'aptness of the morals and message" in the show. Her 'immature' plans of 'revenge' (teen-like) are an interesting contrast to her 'mature' handling of her work, job.
(Aside : Those who have worked with 'gifted' kids have witnessed this sort of behaviour .. a sharp contrast in emotional age and intellectual age.)
What's adds EVEN MORE heft to the story is that Shi Yan is placed as a mirror reflection of her - superbly mature in handling his work and business while a faltering and immature teenager when it comes to relationship. Do we 'denigrate' 'laugh' at his 'chauvinistic' ways of dealing with women and love life? Or do we view it as we would a physically challenged person failing at what others might do naturally .. Will he learn to do better? Will he mature? Will he make mistakes in what he is GREAT at?
Will she make mistakes at what she is GREAT at?
Will they freeze each other out and be hurting? They are terrible at emotional airing and communication, prone to mistakes; and they are both FULLY committed to their jobs and way better at bouncing back from failures in that than they are in relationships.
How will they grow?
NOW I could write ON and ON and analyse this entire DRAMA, episode by episode, praising it for breaking the "woke" mould, taking on the the "role-modelling" shows that @AVENUEx lifts up to high heaven as being THE ONLY shows worth looking at and producing. But I'll stop for now.
There is ENOUGH interesting tropes and Asian Drama trope examination that is ongoing in this drama that will be completely missed unless you are OPEN MINDED and listening to what others might say .. others might have seen.
Every Drama / film / novel does not need to be 'text books' for life lessons .. Dramas can be viewed for:
~ pure guilty pleasure ~ for documentary / real life explorations of the the human condition (the high faulting folks cant bear the previous category and turn their woke noses skywards until blue in the face with disgust) ~ as a place to discuss 'politics' of image and story (also snooty but at least it's in the service of expanding the repertoire of tools for analysis ~ looking out for how tropes are reinforced or overturned or used for novel purposes.
If I am NOT wrong .. MOST Asian Drama viewers ESPECIALLY those who choose ROMANCE as their favourite genre AREN'T watching C-Drama or K-Drama for LESSONS in LOVE AND LIFE .. but as entertainment as SOLID as : Roman Holiday / Sabrina / Pretty Woman and an entire slew of such popular shows that break the charts and become classics.
Film Students can break their teeth on them while the general audience gets a few flutters and thrills without judgement from the priest's altar.
An unusual WUXIA tale .. and even more unusual handing of male and female roles .. STRONG is not a strong enough word to describe the Female leads and supporting female roles.
How well they are written /acted. Their arcs so absorbing.
The characters, small and big, ALL are filled in and not left as 2D plot aiding interjections .. The romance and attraction develops and grows and meets roadblocks that are linked to the storyline.
The politics is not ONLY as a background for the romance .. it's woven together ..
A RARE GEM of a show.
I won't rewatch FOR SURE though ;-p It's TOO healthy a dish .. next day you want to go binge on something which provide large dollop of guilty pleasures.
It would have been 9.0 if not for the lousy ending
It got me highly pissed also with this killing off each and everyone. AND truly I had no GREAT investment in Chu Yue to want to see her end the show.
AND what's with the puzzle of the final scene !! What NOW this WUXIA show turned into a XanXIA for one 30-45 seconds .. Ren Ruyi and Ning became immortals? Came back for a second cycle of life ? WHAT ?? Who is the kid?
NOW firstly ~
WHY I went ahead and wrote this spiel:
Yesterday I watched this lady AVENUEx RANT against the show on her video blog - the priestess with her sermon of negativity and judgmental comments on those who enjoyed the show (YES I and a Rewatcher of OFL).
For context of what I wrote I think you might want to hear her out first :
https://youtu.be/hIm8lg8cBQ8?si=BGVtWmRaEtlh8vbB
My response below (it's also on the YouTube comments section)
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It's ALL given away in the "tongue-in-cheek" title - ONLY FOR LOVE - the operative word being "ONLY". That all the "listed and labeled as ridiculous" stuff happens BECAUSE it's "LOVE".
Who hasn't .. doesn't watch a LOVE story where folks do STUPID - self harming - self respect blowing up stuff .. because those LOVE hormones are wacky!!! It does not OFTEN intersect with LOGIC or engage with INTELLECT.
Even Someset Maughm knew this when he wrote : "Of HUMAN BONDAGE" .. Bring on a platter of 21st century WOKENESS to dem apples my dears who have JUST the ONE tool to analyse a show with.
If one views it through that lens the Drama may not look so absurd, regressive, objectified, old century etcetera.
A lens changes how things would look like to someone without it .. people with clear vision would see things distorted, blurry; and people with unclear vision 'might' see things clearly (or not).
@AvenueX takes her job as a 'Drama Optician" VERY VERY SERIOUSLY and wants to correct everyone's vision whether it really helps them or not, whether they need them or not ..
She use self righteous language to 'correct' vision, whether it actually corrects or not isn't that clear, and of course it's her prerogative to pontificate, it's her channel.
So what do those who LIKED the show see?
~ a beautiful woman is a beautiful woman .. it's NOT difficult to understand (from experience in real life) that men are drawn to "appearance" at first (as are women).
If this FACT sounds like complete B.S. we are living in different worlds.
A classic, standard, pop romance story MORE often than not BEGINS with the 'first look of desire and adoration' of how the opposite sex looks. (And they are in general ALSO beautiful in the eyes of other characters in the Novel / Film).
Be it DAISY in GREAT GATSBY or ANY of the Ladies in Shakespeare's Romances (Juliet??) or Grace Kelly or Ms Golightly in BF at Tiffany's ..
EVEN in Pride and Prejudice .. it's the beauty of the older sister (with ironically a Plain "Jane" for a name) Ms Bennet who captivates Mr Bingley and makes him approach her.
FIRST SIGHT ROMANCE!!!! CLASSIC ROMANCE TROPE.
Shi Yan HAS already been HOOKED (the director made no bones about it) as he looks at her through the rained upon glass window of the car .. He had spotted her at the conference with this 'good looking' proff .. but given he wears glasses he may not have had a clear view of her face .. maybe just her pleasing form (it happens .. even a Psychologist / evolutionary anthropologist will agree from their research). When she hurls nasties at his car when he's wondering if he should slow down and give her a ride (?) he quickly recoils, ego and prestige dented (and maybe not quite sure she's attractive any more).
SHE has NOT been hooked at this point .. nor does she notice his looks for a LONG while in the story .. she is single mindedly focused to :
- getting the interview (at first THAT IS ALL she is interested in)
- revenge (which she considers a possibility, solely as a power trip over theTWO scumbags who made her feel like a total reject)
Firstly, she is AMBITIOUS to the hilt and does NOT let even a BF's birthday get in the way of her project. She is NOT ambitious for 'power' BUT for an experimental e-magazine (which might not even get her money or be successful) which has been her longest standing dream, she is sticking it out at her stagnant position (though she could easily bid for it and win) because she isn't aiming to rise in hierarchy but to focus on lobbying for the e-magazine which she feels is more 'socially' relevant as a business news source than the BIGGY mag she is working with now.
Her attitude to her BF tells us that she takes him for granted, a fixture in her busy life (he has supposedly pursued her for ages and she finally decided she'd give it a go to everyone's surprise - he isn't a shiny penny next to her - AND she has so far been loyal .. and took his loyalty for granted. Albeit she is not the best judge of people, this fact also reinforces her character as someone who is MORE FOCUSED on her job- work life goals than a personal relationship oriented life).
Her response to him on his birthday is mechanical .. no warmth .. only good hearted, sincere, verbal apologies, like one would offer a colleague. She looks tired and ready to call it a day, NOT full of vibe and excited to while the night away as expected on one's BF's bday which one has crashed terribly.
There you have it. An immensely interesting character ..
Drop dead beautiful (and she is aware of the impact it has on others); fiercely ambitious and dedicated to her work even at the expense of health and family and relationships; not that great in sussing out people nor given to cultivating rapport and camaderie within her work field; and other than one loyal, 'player', emotionally messed up friend, she has NO ONE, who is with her because she is a 'NICE' person. The people who seem to like her are those who are in awe of her reputation as an award winning journo.
So now the viewer is primed to observe WHAT does someone like her do going forward. How does her character deal with life's challenges, in her job, her dream, her personal relationships (with friends with future potential love interests - will she even have one?).
How does she use what she 'assumes' are her strengths .. by birth, luck and that gained by her own diligence and hard work. How does she deal with mess ups and does she finally 'feel' for something other than her 'job', and her misguided attempts to salve her 'injured ego'.
So YESS!! Her EGO is dented BADLY, that this scum she had taken on in all faith DARED to ditch her for 'wealth and position' - two things she was NOT into, nor expected to get from the person she decided to date (and possibly consider marrying).
THE RAIN!!! So significant in this scene. She has been relentlessly rained on this evening, hungry - approached by weirdos in cars - her stomach is a mess (gastritis for sure from the endless coffees; and trust me it's a journo's ever constant ailment) AND she did not manage to get the interview, after going to great lengths to chase down the interviewee, AND she left her phone behind in her bf's car .. and she sees the betrayal .. it's like that evening the heavens conspired to hold her head down in the toilet bowl. The anger, hurt, vengefulness, that swept her up and then threw her self esteem into the gutter .. WELL .. I cant think of a more powerful and interesting way to HOOK a viewer into the show. So when she comes up with a mad, impractical, childish scheme to 'seduce' the top honcho to get her 'esteem' back, to power trip over the ex and the 'flaky rich pretty young gal' we know she is courting disaster ... but we also see that she is still sincerely committed to the article she has taken on, and will do anything to get it done to perfection. Disappointments and criticism isn't going to deter her or bog her down. She is almost 'NAIVE' about how her inability to maintain 'propriety' when it comes to when / where / how she achieves her goal, will be perceived in the world (by colleagues and those who don't know her much - in this case even the drama viewers who are sitting on judgement about the 'aptness of the morals and message" in the show.
Her 'immature' plans of 'revenge' (teen-like) are an interesting contrast to her 'mature' handling of her work, job.
(Aside : Those who have worked with 'gifted' kids have witnessed this sort of behaviour .. a sharp contrast in emotional age and intellectual age.)
What's adds EVEN MORE heft to the story is that Shi Yan is placed as a mirror reflection of her - superbly mature in handling his work and business while a faltering and immature teenager when it comes to relationship. Do we 'denigrate' 'laugh' at his 'chauvinistic' ways of dealing with women and love life? Or do we view it as we would a physically challenged person failing at what others might do naturally .. Will he learn to do better? Will he mature? Will he make mistakes in what he is GREAT at?
Will she make mistakes at what she is GREAT at?
Will they freeze each other out and be hurting? They are terrible at emotional airing and communication, prone to mistakes; and they are both FULLY committed to their jobs and way better at bouncing back from failures in that than they are in relationships.
How will they grow?
NOW I could write ON and ON and analyse this entire DRAMA, episode by episode, praising it for breaking the "woke" mould, taking on the the "role-modelling" shows that @AVENUEx lifts up to high heaven as being THE ONLY shows worth looking at and producing.
But I'll stop for now.
There is ENOUGH interesting tropes and Asian Drama trope examination that is ongoing in this drama that will be completely missed unless you are OPEN MINDED and listening to what others might say .. others might have seen.
Every Drama / film / novel does not need to be 'text books' for life lessons .. Dramas can be viewed for:
~ pure guilty pleasure
~ for documentary / real life explorations of the the human condition (the high faulting folks cant bear the previous category and turn their woke noses skywards until blue in the face with disgust)
~ as a place to discuss 'politics' of image and story (also snooty but at least it's in the service of expanding the repertoire of tools for analysis
~ looking out for how tropes are reinforced or overturned or used for novel purposes.
If I am NOT wrong .. MOST Asian Drama viewers ESPECIALLY those who choose ROMANCE as their favourite genre AREN'T watching C-Drama or K-Drama for LESSONS in LOVE AND LIFE .. but as entertainment as SOLID as : Roman Holiday / Sabrina / Pretty Woman and an entire slew of such popular shows that break the charts and become classics.
Film Students can break their teeth on them while the general audience gets a few flutters and thrills without judgement from the priest's altar.
He is absolutely 'beautiful' I couldn't take my eyes off of him .. Esp his exquisite lips and high, taut cheekbones.
I looked him up and his life journey is salute-worthy.
EAGERLY awaiting his next show.
STRONG is not a strong enough word to describe the Female leads and supporting female roles.
How well they are written /acted. Their arcs so absorbing.
The characters, small and big, ALL are filled in and not left as 2D plot aiding interjections ..
The romance and attraction develops and grows and meets roadblocks that are linked to the storyline.
The politics is not ONLY as a background for the romance .. it's woven together ..
A RARE GEM of a show.
I won't rewatch FOR SURE though ;-p
It's TOO healthy a dish .. next day you want to go binge on something which provide large dollop of guilty pleasures.
used sadism on the viewers.
Beautiful Story .. BUT didnt need to do this!!
I already did for a few
So pissing off.
I wasn't convinced about why "playboy" would fall for "Chu Yue".
Her line with Jiu would have been more convincing ..
Some messy pairings left me unhappy .. not to speak of everyone dying off.
WOulnt it have more sense to see Ying and Jiu in the end?
AND truly I had no GREAT investment in Chu Yue to want to see her end the show.
AND what's with the puzzle of the final scene !!
What NOW this WUXIA show turned into a XanXIA for one 30-45 seconds .. Ren Ruyi and Ning became immortals? Came back for a second cycle of life ? WHAT ?? Who is the kid?
My heart broke watching him pine for his ONE and ONLY love
This was so thoughtless .. you are talking about the last scene without a SPOLER TAG??
Outstanding Indeed .. But have pity on the audience .. This was BRUTAL!!
The show didnt work for me because EVERYONE DIED!!!
Cummon!
Even GOT didn't KILL off everyone .. and that was ONE CLASSIC BRUTAL show!!