and here I thought the FL of Behind Your Touch is stupid..
Is this one of those shows with an FL who is: - airhead blabs away silly infantile manner - limpid eyes blinking blank .. can't eat my noodles by myself - quiet and docile and too afraid to look into anyone's eyes even if they are abusive - never sees a twist - is sooo sweet and candy and 'literal' about everything - goodie two shoes who wants to reform people - like a nun
and oh so many of the intolerable FLs that troop through C-Drama .. more frequently than in K-Drama. Sorry friends who love the former and have watched many more shows that I have. Maybe I havent watched .. checked out enough C-Dramas to be convinced otherwise ;-p
Actually I never skipped his scene with FL in private time..
Ooops you are right ;-p
Second Male Lead (SML) is usually used for the second person chasing the lead female?? Is it? SML is sometimes also use for a second couple set? Old Gao had the send important (plot wise and screen time wise?) male lead and so automatically I thought it was him .. and so Xu Lina and him were the Seconds in my head :-D Old Gao was not the S ML I guess.
The Artist was soooo shweet that he blended into the wall .. lol .. He was a LOVELY LOVELY MAN .. but like an older brother (gege) .. as would be if you grew up with a personality like him since childhood .. He'd be perfect romantic partner for a woman who is seeking comfort and caring and a place to rest and heal, he doesn't much like waves and ripples ..
Zhu Yun has had a 'perfect' 'happy' childhood with WONDERFUL caring. respectful parents .. she isn't looking for healing or comfort .. she's been nurtured IN it, like fish in water .. What excited her was the swirling eddy of Li Xun .. the dark, difficult him who yet had the shining light in his eyes .. looking into the future of great things to be done .. the suppressed passion, the love he was capable of (that he'd direct at her with such intensity, looking into her eyes .. you could see her feel the heat from his fire). She sought adventure and excitement and RISK .. and it was what Li Xun embodied.
The Artist personalities do exists in real life LOL .. They can only hope to be BEST male friends of women like Zhu Yun.
Let me digress a bit more (because I LOVE this show SO much) .. IF Zhu Yun had not off chance caught sight of Li Xun (when she was in the cafe after returning from the US .. If the last memory of Li Xun for her was the 'horrible stuff' he told her when she met him at the prison .. She'd be living with the "trauma' of that relationship .. and Sweet Artist would be the perfect balm for her bruised self. She'd have returned to the US as was her initial plan and ended up choosing the less turbulent .. calm and peaceful life of a Programmer with her sweet hubby .. who is always there for her .. it would be very similar to her life pre-Uni, smooth, planned, risk-free , when she was living with her parents; life as she knew before she met the great adventure of her life.
Seeing Li Xun so unexpectedly, "accidentally" (of course we know it was manipulated by Ren-Di) stirred up her old fire (he always had her in his magnetic force field) AND then she found out about the L&P fiasco - betrayal and all .. She ignited into a blazing woman with a unilateral mission .. to put things back to where they belong .. She knew in her gut that something had gone terribly wrong and that she didn't know the half of Li Xun story. ( the use of flame / lit up imagery is intentional ;-p
If you guy want a healthy relationship, green flag ML dont watch this drama. 6/10 From me.
unbearable FL .. character portrayal / scripting made worse by terrible inconsistent acting. There was NO coherence.
At least the ML character had some consistency .. slipped terribly at times .. CRINGE
The show became CRINGE CAPITAL as it progressed .. and the RED FLAGS were actually the irritating FL Family and ML father .. The writer did not balance out their ridiculous rudeness and hypocrisy with a solid commentary on it.
I watched this actress in Fireworks of My Heart!
She delivered a FAR superior act .. consistent and in character ( few bad slip ups) but overall pretty good. She seems to deliver her scenes 'literally' as per the directions of the PD team, doesn't spend much mind in 'thinking' and 'wearing' her role
He successfully tripped her up - there's a phrase 'hoisted her on her own petard" .. and that triggered her further…
"People pleaser" has a disparaging, derogatory connotation and I wouldn't label her as that. She has a pretty good repartee and witty ways of putting people in their place .. And she doesn't baulk from calling a spade and spade .. and will step up to clear up 'misunderstandings' upfront without 'brooding' about it and overthinking by herself
He successfully tripped her up - there's a phrase 'hoisted her on her own petard" .. and that triggered her further…
Yes Zhu Yun is made of top notch 'diplomat' material .. excels at conflict resolution. If you remember she is given the title of "Commissar" by Li Xun and others also jokingly call her that .. She has an incredible ability to make peace / be fair / bring about a win-win solution. She understand human frailty and has immense empathy but will not sit back to watch 'wrongdoing' and 'injustice'.
If she were the leader of a party / country she'd be called a 'statesman'
Gotta say this , every minute of this drama is no waste .Every moment they share gives proper justifiable reason…
Elia .. I agree FULLY.
How AMAZING that SO SO SO SO MANY of us have been weaned off MOST other dramas after watching this ONE SHOW .. L&P has set a record I think in terms of HOW deeply it has affected one segment of viewers that NOTHING ELSE seems to be giving them that same high!!
This same group of people have been lingering around here LONG LONG after the they watched the show .. BECAUSE it's on their rewatch list .. and being watched again and again with deeper interest - the way we listen to our fave music .. until it live plays in our head.
It's the first drama that I gave a rewatch of 10. Endless rewatch loop.
I agree with you on "Time and again I wondered is this lixun & zhuyun or jingyi and feiyu"
I notice that you are watching Bright Eyes ;-p
I watched EVER NIGHT 1 after finishing L&P couldn't get enough of Fei Yu. It's probably the BEST, MOST MATURE WUXIA drama. Am yet to find a Wuxia drama that has SUCH a superb story and direction and actors. It was sometimes like watching LOTR and sometimes like GOT ;-p (script wise)
Great analysis. As I have said before - Li Xun is too principled and gentle to be labeled toxic . He had his head…
Yes . His sister / his mother / Ren Di / Fu Zhuo (the Latin Dancer buddy) / Zhu Yun (of course. she even reads his mind of when he means a 'yes' lol) and the Chief of Flying Hearts (the Game Company), even to a great extent his Proff Lin. AND Hou Ning (his cell mate from prison - altho' briefly he gets SO jealous and feel rejected by Li Xun - but returns to him loyal as ever).
The BIG tragedy in the heart of this show is that one of the people Li Xun puts his full faith (and respect) in betrays him HORRIBLY!! This one person FAKES loyalty. Long ago he'd made up his mind to play the long game and with single minded intent was hoping to seize the first chance he gets to ground Li Xun and bury him .. Which he repeatedly tries to do, and in the process ends up destroying himself. His 'cancer' of the mind literally spreads to his body.
Did it get a bit harder to watch around episode 19 for anyone else?
Well - it felt like a stab to the stomach. Never before in any drama did I get such a severe JOLT. However it also intrigued me and made me enter into the dark core with a sense of greater curiosity and pull of discovery .. where will this drama go now? What will the characters do now? I'd count Innocent Man as one though. That gave me SO MANY JOLTs. The Red Sleeve AND BLOODY HEART also.
You and I keep rooting for this Drama to get to >9 rating on MDL
- airhead blabs away silly infantile manner
- limpid eyes blinking blank .. can't eat my noodles by myself
- quiet and docile and too afraid to look into anyone's eyes even if they are abusive
- never sees a twist - is sooo sweet and candy and 'literal' about everything
- goodie two shoes who wants to reform people - like a nun
and oh so many of the intolerable FLs that troop through C-Drama .. more frequently than in K-Drama.
Sorry friends who love the former and have watched many more shows that I have. Maybe I havent watched .. checked out enough C-Dramas to be convinced otherwise ;-p
If one hasn't found a "love the drama" foothold by Ep 6 it's probably NOT going to attach itself to the viewer.
Second Male Lead (SML) is usually used for the second person chasing the lead female?? Is it?
SML is sometimes also use for a second couple set?
Old Gao had the send important (plot wise and screen time wise?) male lead and so automatically I thought it was him .. and so Xu Lina and him were the Seconds in my head :-D
Old Gao was not the S ML I guess.
The Artist was soooo shweet that he blended into the wall .. lol ..
He was a LOVELY LOVELY MAN .. but like an older brother (gege) .. as would be if you grew up with a personality like him since childhood .. He'd be perfect romantic partner for a woman who is seeking comfort and caring and a place to rest and heal, he doesn't much like waves and ripples ..
Zhu Yun has had a 'perfect' 'happy' childhood with WONDERFUL caring. respectful parents .. she isn't looking for healing or comfort .. she's been nurtured IN it, like fish in water ..
What excited her was the swirling eddy of Li Xun .. the dark, difficult him who yet had the shining light in his eyes .. looking into the future of great things to be done .. the suppressed passion, the love he was capable of (that he'd direct at her with such intensity, looking into her eyes .. you could see her feel the heat from his fire). She sought adventure and excitement and RISK .. and it was what Li Xun embodied.
The Artist personalities do exists in real life LOL ..
They can only hope to be BEST male friends of women like Zhu Yun.
Let me digress a bit more (because I LOVE this show SO much) .. IF Zhu Yun had not off chance caught sight of Li Xun (when she was in the cafe after returning from the US .. If the last memory of Li Xun for her was the 'horrible stuff' he told her when she met him at the prison .. She'd be living with the "trauma' of that relationship .. and Sweet Artist would be the perfect balm for her bruised self.
She'd have returned to the US as was her initial plan and ended up choosing the less turbulent .. calm and peaceful life of a Programmer with her sweet hubby .. who is always there for her .. it would be very similar to her life pre-Uni, smooth, planned, risk-free , when she was living with her parents; life as she knew before she met the great adventure of her life.
Seeing Li Xun so unexpectedly, "accidentally" (of course we know it was manipulated by Ren-Di) stirred up her old fire (he always had her in his magnetic force field) AND then she found out about the L&P fiasco - betrayal and all .. She ignited into a blazing woman with a unilateral mission .. to put things back to where they belong .. She knew in her gut that something had gone terribly wrong and that she didn't know the half of Li Xun story.
( the use of flame / lit up imagery is intentional ;-p
Ok .. nuff for now ;-p
Yessss.
Just got heart flutters AGAIN. thinking of the drama and those two actors and HOW FANTASTIC they were.
I so want the MDL rating for the show to rise to >9
Skinship?
I can't get interested in shows unless there is some solid man-woman attractiondynamics playing out ;-p
Skinship?
I can't get interested in shows unless there is some solid man-woman attractiondynamics playing out ;-p
There was NO coherence.
At least the ML character had some consistency .. slipped terribly at times .. CRINGE
The show became CRINGE CAPITAL as it progressed .. and the RED FLAGS were actually the irritating FL Family and ML father .. The writer did not balance out their ridiculous rudeness and hypocrisy with a solid commentary on it.
I watched this actress in Fireworks of My Heart!
She delivered a FAR superior act .. consistent and in character ( few bad slip ups) but overall pretty good. She seems to deliver her scenes 'literally' as per the directions of the PD team, doesn't spend much mind in 'thinking' and 'wearing' her role
She has a pretty good repartee and witty ways of putting people in their place .. And she doesn't baulk from calling a spade and spade .. and will step up to clear up 'misunderstandings' upfront without 'brooding' about it and overthinking by herself
If you remember she is given the title of "Commissar" by Li Xun and others also jokingly call her that ..
She has an incredible ability to make peace / be fair / bring about a win-win solution.
She understand human frailty and has immense empathy but will not sit back to watch 'wrongdoing' and 'injustice'.
If she were the leader of a party / country she'd be called a 'statesman'
;-D
How AMAZING that SO SO SO SO MANY of us have been weaned off MOST other dramas after watching this ONE SHOW ..
L&P has set a record I think in terms of HOW deeply it has affected one segment of viewers that NOTHING ELSE seems to be giving them that same high!!
This same group of people have been lingering around here LONG LONG after the they watched the show .. BECAUSE it's on their rewatch list .. and being watched again and again with deeper interest - the way we listen to our fave music .. until it live plays in our head.
It's the first drama that I gave a rewatch of 10. Endless rewatch loop.
I agree with you on
"Time and again I wondered is this lixun & zhuyun or jingyi and feiyu"
I notice that you are watching Bright Eyes ;-p
I watched EVER NIGHT 1 after finishing L&P couldn't get enough of Fei Yu.
It's probably the BEST, MOST MATURE WUXIA drama. Am yet to find a Wuxia drama that has SUCH a superb story and direction and actors. It was sometimes like watching LOTR and sometimes like GOT ;-p (script wise)
His sister / his mother / Ren Di / Fu Zhuo (the Latin Dancer buddy) / Zhu Yun (of course. she even reads his mind of when he means a 'yes' lol) and the Chief of Flying Hearts (the Game Company), even to a great extent his Proff Lin.
AND Hou Ning (his cell mate from prison - altho' briefly he gets SO jealous and feel rejected by Li Xun - but returns to him loyal as ever).
The BIG tragedy in the heart of this show is that one of the people Li Xun puts his full faith (and respect) in betrays him HORRIBLY!!
This one person FAKES loyalty.
Long ago he'd made up his mind to play the long game and with single minded intent was hoping to seize the first chance he gets to ground Li Xun and bury him .. Which he repeatedly tries to do, and in the process ends up destroying himself. His 'cancer' of the mind literally spreads to his body.
Wonder why you felt he (Old Gao) was more mature than Li Xun.
Examples?
However it also intrigued me and made me enter into the dark core with a sense of greater curiosity and pull of discovery .. where will this drama go now? What will the characters do now?
I'd count Innocent Man as one though. That gave me SO MANY JOLTs.
The Red Sleeve AND BLOODY HEART also.