I thought that pathetic drama show finally ended my infatuation with Duen, but he managed to climb right back after that scene with his girlfriend π¬
And HERE HE FREAKING IS!!! Thank Gods I knew it! (he's not nearly as hot as I hoped he'd be, but he's usable.)
π€£π€£π€£π€£ What was that, Nong Yi? You just turn around and leave? π
That was the stupidest drama I've seen in a while π
And it's his birthday πππ
How can people forget their B-days?! Is that really a thing? Just make half a dozen notifications like Sun!
I like the dad's character.
I really hope First have yet some fire in him to show. Because so far, he's about as interesting as Pleng π (I like when P cries, though π) [On his own only. Get out, Duen!]
I almost didn't skip through the opening scene, since it looked interesting at first. But why is it so long? Can't they talk faster? More to the point? About something interesting?! I'm getting bored of exposed muscles, and that's never a good thing π°
And it continues π (minute 10-11 was nice, though π)
Did he... ?
My heart breaks for Shun π (minute 19-20)
Let's ignore the apples.
And it keeps breaking πππ (I get the hint, AIS! No need to tell me 125685 times!!!)
Have you seen a mirror, my love? How could you even voice that out loud?! You're freaking dazzling! β¨
You're not much of an emotional support, Sun. Thankfully Shun is able to console himself on his own.
Whoever put that Shain scene break right after the heartbreak, I hate you with a burning passion I save for my worst enemies π
Being a fencer takes away your life? And doesn't even land you a BOYFRIEND?! Who the fork would want that?
Now that was a great setup for Sun-Fencer scene! π
Eye-blowing?! Really? Have we run out of the thumb-smearing quota already?
Nope. Just no. I don't accept the ship. Tony isn't good enough.
The game started stupid, and ended twice as much. Just one big middle finger from daddy AIS PLAY showing me what they think about my ships π
Let's get to the pairings, then.
1. As much as I want, I can't give Shain the first place this time. Rain is acting like an ungrateful jerk. I hope Payuu finally breaks him with the "I'm not worthy of you" attitude, so he gets some sense. First place then, Khim-Fencer1. I liked the scene, no matter how small and insignificant it was. 2.Tony-Fencer2. Don't ask me why. They probably rarely talk to each other. But it's giving me the vibe β¨ 3.Khim-Sun. I will admit, the sulky Khim is getting to me a bit. Still mostly boring, but a bit cuter. 4.Fencer x Fencer - I have no idea what their deal is. But it's there. 5.Rain-Payuu, for the "single bed" scene. And that scene only. Short as it was. 6.Anything else. 7.Tony-Shun. Drown that ship in the toxic fumes of Acheron. Whoever came up with it, you're sick π€’
Unfortunately, there's just no one who's good enough for Shun π€
"You're supposed to be confused. If you don't like being confused, this is not the series for you. " PREACH!!!…
Personally, I prefer a sponge bath scene. Or an umbrella+trip+long stare combination, to follow 2moons example. Anything less would feel like sell-out at this point.
They're acting awfully close, compared to the end of episode 2.
(I'm sure someone has already dragged them for the 'washing his hair fully clothed' bizzarity. I'll consider it done.)
Is this boy a doctor? How could he know that? Also, not sure what's wrong with the hand, but either way it's being mistreated.
She's being paid for tutoring him, right? This isn't exactly professional.
This is an awkward conversation. Is it meant to be funny?
No way she believed that.
Since they are already time-skipping, they could have made it so Q warms up to X during those skips. It would be more realistic imo.
Another jump, now 4 days. Since the whole story is meant to be 21, it's kinda big. I mean, we went through third of that all in 3 minutes...
You know that they can be alone together just whenever, right? During/after school, for example.
This pep-talk actually isn't so bad! It's rushed, the mom is acting weird and they have little to nothing to base their "worries" on, but it's not a bad sentiment. Maybe I'm just vibing with it since I'm also watching TMoTB and it's a part of plot there as well.
The two straight couples together are getting as much, if not more screentime than the mlm couple. Actually, the main couple is probably the most underdeveloped out of those 3 π
I did not miss the english scenes π¬π¬π¬
What is the uncle plotting? I don't vibe. (so he's not doing it for specific purpose. I can't decide whether that's better or worse.)
This is stupid. And disgusting. But mostly stupid. I get what you're doing, but it would be better without. Aah. (I mean, she was perfectly capable of protecting herself when this started. Should I believe she's just letting the big bad guy treat her like that, waiting for her prince to save her?)
X actually liking Q's uncle would be an interesting plot twist that would add some flavor into this. But no, we're getting the stupid jealousy plot arc. How innovative!
Now that's just rude, Q! (and the 'aunt' comment was very needed. Bravo, Rookie.)
I hate this subplot. Actually, I hate all of the main couple subplots. Why am I even watching this? For the straight drama? π¨
Ok, that's kinda nice. Still stupid in my opinion, but a bit nice. I would have prefered if they skipped it either way.
I can see where this plus-one hint is gonna go π₯
Oh, no. The uncle totally crossed the line first. You don't get to put all the blame on Q! At first I thought he's been doing it intentionally, but now they're just selling it as natural? Uff.
This feels too preachy to me. Maybe because it's so short, or because of the way we got here, but I don't appreciate it. I'm just rolling my eyes π
[Episode 4]
Still rolling.
What's the point of GETTING THEM UNDER YOUR SIGHT IF YOU'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE?! Am I the only one who finds this stupid? πππ
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Okay. The cheek scene was good! I'll give them that. Not good enough to balance all the bad, but at least a small consolation π€
Aaaand you've lost any benevolence I was willing it give you. Just because the main leads are in highschool, you don't have to write it like highschoolers.
He's losing more to X than the bet.
I think I just might be too old for this? Maybe if I were half my age... It would be at least somewhat tolerable.
Nevermind. This would be stupid even if I were 10.
If they just break up all 3 couples definitely, that will be unique!
Too much talking for how little time they have. Or because of that? Either way, it's too much.
Normally I'd tell you you have all the right to be hurt on your own, Q. But we only have 10 minutes left! So you should just get on with it now. [They still wasted them 10 minutes talking]
You will find out pretty quick what it is that they have and you don't π
This last episode was better than I expected. Maybe because my expectations were pretty low, but still. I'll have to think about it some more π
Quite frankly, I don't think Shin really even loves Minato. To me, it feels more like a child admiration turned…
"However, I donβt think itβs necessary for there to be a clear reason..."
I do agree with that. You don't need a clear and specific reason to fall in love. I just believe the interactions we saw between them were too empty and repetitive to establish a strong connection. That's why I would have liked to see more meaningful scenes for me to believe they fell in love. I mean, they barely even talk. But maybe it was enough for them. Also, god knows how much time, for how long, they were staying together. I certainly can't tell any better than "more than weeks, less than a year", for unknown durations.
"showing that even without Minato, he can go on about his life without issues." My point is, he wasn't really without Minato as far as I can tell. I blame the unknown timeskip for that. But we've seen little (if any) time between he was rejected, and between he bounced back to be Minato's friend. And we know that during that time, he worked on his grades (which Minato wanted him to) and stalked the teacher (to collect information for Minato). So he was still very Minato-focused in my opinion. He was just doing stuff he thought would make Minato like him more. Let him stay in Minato's life. As far abandonement issue, I didn't mean it as a traumatic experience / psychological diagnosis. I meant it as Shin not wanting to lose Minato, and doing what he can to keep him (hence why he didn't break down during the rejection. He knew it would just make Minato distance from him further imo). I probably used too strong of a word. Though I wouldn't count it out.
"It also shows, that if rejected, he would probably go to Tokyo and live independently, because heβd have no reason to stay."
Doesn't Shin have a pretty complicated family situation? I don't remember exactly how, but his parents don't seem to be in the picture. [It's also one of the reasons why I think he could fear people leaving him and got so fixated on staying with Minato, but that's a reach from my side.] He takes care of his younger siblings. Hence I doubt he would just up and leave like that, without preparations. He did mention he's considering to study in Tokyo, but I'm just not sure how they want to deal with that. (spoiler alert - I expect him to either stay home and live happily ever after with Minato, or go study to Tokyo, have Minato help take care of his family, and come back to live together.)
"You also need to consider tone and nuance. When Shin is rejected, he looks extremely sad about it but not agitated. What this means is that there isnβt a deep-seated worry coming from him about needing to be in Minatoβs presence. "
Honestly, I think he was already prepared for the possibility of rejection. To me, his "calm" take on it was more calculative than accepting. It didn't feel to me like a genuine action of someone who's deeply in love and just felt completely rejected by his love out of blue.
That said, it's all just the vibe I'm getting from him. I'm happy to see there are multiple opinions I find believable, since it means there are different ways they can end it without it feeling out of place for me. It's just that we are given so little, it doesn't make me feel really strongly about it π
"You're supposed to be confused. If you don't like being confused, this is not the series for you. " PREACH!!!…
"I'm pretty good at figuring things out, and I have no idea what's happening. I think one of them is dead and the other is a happy memory, but it could also be that Mon and Mork are the same person, or that Tiew and Mork both dead, or all three of them, or in a coma, or some combination of the above. I expect we'll all have a Eureka moment in the last ep, but sometimes stories like this are left up to interpretation."
Same. Even if I have a prefered version of what could be happening, it's about as likely as any other possible stuff that could contradict whatever I come up with. And they could still retcon it with "it was all a dream" type of ending, so nothing is set in stone imo π
P - Dew are not gonna be in any story as the main couple, though they could appear in each of them as supporting characters to help tie it all together (similar to their role in the first story).
Bew - Gus (Korn - Gung) are the main couple of the second story.
Kla - Peak (Markpoom - Milk) are the main couple of the third story.
Most - Achi (Toru - First) are the main couple in the last story.
Depends on what you're looking for. It's pretty dramatic, emotional, messy and dark. And it's very good at that.
But it's not as good in being a BL, meaning you won't get the same relationship structure standard BLs have. It's also not very light, nor exactly romantic. And I wouldn't call it informational, either.
I'm very much enjoying the show, and I would recommend anyone to try it out. But I would also advise them to be careful, and to drop it if it gets too much for them. Becasue I don't expect it to get any lighter or digestable later on.
Ok. Since everyone is sharing their theories, I will share mine. Keep in mind that this is all just my personal theory. It's not right or wrong. And I don't like to be wrong, so if this show ends and I'm proven to be super wrong, please ignore this π₯Ίπ₯Ίπ₯Ί
1. I don't think they are twins. I believe Mon/Mork is one and the same person, and he's just having some mental issues. It's a more interesting story for me this way.
2. I think both Mon/Mork and Tiew are dead at this point. I don't think they died at the same time (if I had to bet, Tiew died first, it messed Mon/Mork up even more, and now they are both dead.)
3. The "white place" was by now probably canonically proven as some form of afterlife. It might still all be in Mon/Mork's head, but I think it's a legit depiction of some transitional state of afterlife.
4. I don't think the "Tiew" from afterlife is the same "Tiew" as when he was alive. I think it's some sort of a memory/shadow of Tiew that isn't exactly him. It might be how Mon/Mork remembers Tiew, though my bet is it's what's left of Tiew in that "white place" and there's some other version of "Tiew" somewhere down the cycle of life.
5. Mon/Mork at this point is still messed up mentally. And I think it's more than just your standard "afterlife" mess. I'd say he's either subconsciously choosing to not remember, or he's not there (yet) because of health issues.
6. The best I'm expecting (and want!) is a bittersweet ending. Some vague form of hope. I don't want the retconned type of happy ending some unnamed [redacted] ghost BL story has.
7. Remember. If I'm not at least 88 % right, this post is just a fever dream of your imagination π§‘
You're supposed to be confused. If you don't like being confused, this is not the series for you. When it ends,…
"You're supposed to be confused. If you don't like being confused, this is not the series for you. "
PREACH!!! Saying it's confusing is not a negative criticism coming from me. It's deliberately confusing and that's good. People don't need to act like it's an obvious, streamlined story just to defend the drama. And not liking that it's confusing is fine, too! But it's probably going to stay confusing until the very end. So if you're not enjoying it, I would have either dropped it or wait until it's fully released in your place. You'll be less confused that way π
It's available on AISPLAY in Thailand. For international fans, it's available on AISPLAY youtube channel with…
Just to clarify, you will need the more expensive (8 euros/month) membership to watch it. It's not available for the cheaper one (2 euros), but I believe you can upgrade if you bought that one by mistake.
I guess I'll have to finish this after all π
And HERE HE FREAKING IS!!! Thank Gods I knew it! (he's not nearly as hot as I hoped he'd be, but he's usable.)
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What was that, Nong Yi? You just turn around and leave? π
That was the stupidest drama I've seen in a while π
And it's his birthday πππ
How can people forget their B-days?! Is that really a thing? Just make half a dozen notifications like Sun!
I like the dad's character.
I really hope First have yet some fire in him to show. Because so far, he's about as interesting as Pleng π (I like when P cries, though π) [On his own only. Get out, Duen!]
I almost didn't skip through the opening scene, since it looked interesting at first. But why is it so long? Can't they talk faster? More to the point? About something interesting?! I'm getting bored of exposed muscles, and that's never a good thing π°
And it continues π (minute 10-11 was nice, though π)
Did he... ?
My heart breaks for Shun π (minute 19-20)
Let's ignore the apples.
And it keeps breaking πππ (I get the hint, AIS! No need to tell me 125685 times!!!)
Have you seen a mirror, my love? How could you even voice that out loud?! You're freaking dazzling! β¨
You're not much of an emotional support, Sun. Thankfully Shun is able to console himself on his own.
Whoever put that Shain scene break right after the heartbreak, I hate you with a burning passion I save for my worst enemies π
Being a fencer takes away your life? And doesn't even land you a BOYFRIEND?! Who the fork would want that?
Now that was a great setup for Sun-Fencer scene! π
Eye-blowing?! Really? Have we run out of the thumb-smearing quota already?
Nope. Just no. I don't accept the ship. Tony isn't good enough.
The game started stupid, and ended twice as much. Just one big middle finger from daddy AIS PLAY showing me what they think about my ships π
Let's get to the pairings, then.
1. As much as I want, I can't give Shain the first place this time. Rain is acting like an ungrateful jerk. I hope Payuu finally breaks him with the "I'm not worthy of you" attitude, so he gets some sense. First place then, Khim-Fencer1. I liked the scene, no matter how small and insignificant it was.
2.Tony-Fencer2. Don't ask me why. They probably rarely talk to each other. But it's giving me the vibe β¨
3.Khim-Sun. I will admit, the sulky Khim is getting to me a bit. Still mostly boring, but a bit cuter.
4.Fencer x Fencer - I have no idea what their deal is. But it's there.
5.Rain-Payuu, for the "single bed" scene. And that scene only. Short as it was.
6.Anything else.
7.Tony-Shun. Drown that ship in the toxic fumes of Acheron. Whoever came up with it, you're sick π€’
Unfortunately, there's just no one who's good enough for Shun π€
Were they fully clothed when they fell?
They're acting awfully close, compared to the end of episode 2.
(I'm sure someone has already dragged them for the 'washing his hair fully clothed' bizzarity. I'll consider it done.)
Is this boy a doctor? How could he know that? Also, not sure what's wrong with the hand, but either way it's being mistreated.
She's being paid for tutoring him, right? This isn't exactly professional.
This is an awkward conversation. Is it meant to be funny?
No way she believed that.
Since they are already time-skipping, they could have made it so Q warms up to X during those skips. It would be more realistic imo.
Another jump, now 4 days. Since the whole story is meant to be 21, it's kinda big. I mean, we went through third of that all in 3 minutes...
You know that they can be alone together just whenever, right? During/after school, for example.
This pep-talk actually isn't so bad! It's rushed, the mom is acting weird and they have little to nothing to base their "worries" on, but it's not a bad sentiment. Maybe I'm just vibing with it since I'm also watching TMoTB and it's a part of plot there as well.
The two straight couples together are getting as much, if not more screentime than the mlm couple. Actually, the main couple is probably the most underdeveloped out of those 3 π
I did not miss the english scenes π¬π¬π¬
What is the uncle plotting? I don't vibe.
(so he's not doing it for specific purpose. I can't decide whether that's better or worse.)
This is stupid. And disgusting. But mostly stupid. I get what you're doing, but it would be better without. Aah. (I mean, she was perfectly capable of protecting herself when this started. Should I believe she's just letting the big bad guy treat her like that, waiting for her prince to save her?)
X actually liking Q's uncle would be an interesting plot twist that would add some flavor into this. But no, we're getting the stupid jealousy plot arc. How innovative!
Now that's just rude, Q! (and the 'aunt' comment was very needed. Bravo, Rookie.)
I hate this subplot. Actually, I hate all of the main couple subplots. Why am I even watching this? For the straight drama? π¨
Ok, that's kinda nice. Still stupid in my opinion, but a bit nice. I would have prefered if they skipped it either way.
I can see where this plus-one hint is gonna go π₯
Oh, no. The uncle totally crossed the line first. You don't get to put all the blame on Q! At first I thought he's been doing it intentionally, but now they're just selling it as natural? Uff.
This feels too preachy to me. Maybe because it's so short, or because of the way we got here, but I don't appreciate it. I'm just rolling my eyes π
[Episode 4]
Still rolling.
What's the point of GETTING THEM UNDER YOUR SIGHT IF YOU'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE?! Am I the only one who finds this stupid? πππ
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Okay. The cheek scene was good! I'll give them that. Not good enough to balance all the bad, but at least a small consolation π€
Aaaand you've lost any benevolence I was willing it give you. Just because the main leads are in highschool, you don't have to write it like highschoolers.
He's losing more to X than the bet.
I think I just might be too old for this? Maybe if I were half my age... It would be at least somewhat tolerable.
Nevermind. This would be stupid even if I were 10.
If they just break up all 3 couples definitely, that will be unique!
Too much talking for how little time they have. Or because of that? Either way, it's too much.
Normally I'd tell you you have all the right to be hurt on your own, Q. But we only have 10 minutes left! So you should just get on with it now. [They still wasted them 10 minutes talking]
You will find out pretty quick what it is that they have and you don't π
This last episode was better than I expected. Maybe because my expectations were pretty low, but still. I'll have to think about it some more π
I do agree with that. You don't need a clear and specific reason to fall in love. I just believe the interactions we saw between them were too empty and repetitive to establish a strong connection. That's why I would have liked to see more meaningful scenes for me to believe they fell in love. I mean, they barely even talk. But maybe it was enough for them. Also, god knows how much time, for how long, they were staying together. I certainly can't tell any better than "more than weeks, less than a year", for unknown durations.
"showing that even without Minato, he can go on about his life without issues." My point is, he wasn't really without Minato as far as I can tell. I blame the unknown timeskip for that. But we've seen little (if any) time between he was rejected, and between he bounced back to be Minato's friend. And we know that during that time, he worked on his grades (which Minato wanted him to) and stalked the teacher (to collect information for Minato). So he was still very Minato-focused in my opinion. He was just doing stuff he thought would make Minato like him more. Let him stay in Minato's life. As far abandonement issue, I didn't mean it as a traumatic experience / psychological diagnosis. I meant it as Shin not wanting to lose Minato, and doing what he can to keep him (hence why he didn't break down during the rejection. He knew it would just make Minato distance from him further imo). I probably used too strong of a word. Though I wouldn't count it out.
"It also shows, that if rejected, he would probably go to Tokyo and live independently, because heβd have no reason to stay."
Doesn't Shin have a pretty complicated family situation? I don't remember exactly how, but his parents don't seem to be in the picture. [It's also one of the reasons why I think he could fear people leaving him and got so fixated on staying with Minato, but that's a reach from my side.] He takes care of his younger siblings. Hence I doubt he would just up and leave like that, without preparations. He did mention he's considering to study in Tokyo, but I'm just not sure how they want to deal with that. (spoiler alert - I expect him to either stay home and live happily ever after with Minato, or go study to Tokyo, have Minato help take care of his family, and come back to live together.)
"You also need to consider tone and nuance. When Shin is rejected, he looks extremely sad about it but not agitated. What this means is that there isnβt a deep-seated worry coming from him about needing to be in Minatoβs presence. "
Honestly, I think he was already prepared for the possibility of rejection. To me, his "calm" take on it was more calculative than accepting. It didn't feel to me like a genuine action of someone who's deeply in love and just felt completely rejected by his love out of blue.
That said, it's all just the vibe I'm getting from him. I'm happy to see there are multiple opinions I find believable, since it means there are different ways they can end it without it feeling out of place for me. It's just that we are given so little, it doesn't make me feel really strongly about it π
Same. Even if I have a prefered version of what could be happening, it's about as likely as any other possible stuff that could contradict whatever I come up with. And they could still retcon it with "it was all a dream" type of ending, so nothing is set in stone imo π
Bew - Gus (Korn - Gung) are the main couple of the second story.
Kla - Peak (Markpoom - Milk) are the main couple of the third story.
Most - Achi (Toru - First) are the main couple in the last story.
But it's not as good in being a BL, meaning you won't get the same relationship structure standard BLs have. It's also not very light, nor exactly romantic. And I wouldn't call it informational, either.
I'm very much enjoying the show, and I would recommend anyone to try it out. But I would also advise them to be careful, and to drop it if it gets too much for them. Becasue I don't expect it to get any lighter or digestable later on.
1. I don't think they are twins. I believe Mon/Mork is one and the same person, and he's just having some mental issues. It's a more interesting story for me this way.
2. I think both Mon/Mork and Tiew are dead at this point. I don't think they died at the same time (if I had to bet, Tiew died first, it messed Mon/Mork up even more, and now they are both dead.)
3. The "white place" was by now probably canonically proven as some form of afterlife. It might still all be in Mon/Mork's head, but I think it's a legit depiction of some transitional state of afterlife.
4. I don't think the "Tiew" from afterlife is the same "Tiew" as when he was alive. I think it's some sort of a memory/shadow of Tiew that isn't exactly him. It might be how Mon/Mork remembers Tiew, though my bet is it's what's left of Tiew in that "white place" and there's some other version of "Tiew" somewhere down the cycle of life.
5. Mon/Mork at this point is still messed up mentally. And I think it's more than just your standard "afterlife" mess. I'd say he's either subconsciously choosing to not remember, or he's not there (yet) because of health issues.
6. The best I'm expecting (and want!) is a bittersweet ending. Some vague form of hope. I don't want the retconned type of happy ending some unnamed [redacted] ghost BL story has.
7. Remember. If I'm not at least 88 % right, this post is just a fever dream of your imagination π§‘
PREACH!!! Saying it's confusing is not a negative criticism coming from me. It's deliberately confusing and that's good. People don't need to act like it's an obvious, streamlined story just to defend the drama. And not liking that it's confusing is fine, too! But it's probably going to stay confusing until the very end. So if you're not enjoying it, I would have either dropped it or wait until it's fully released in your place. You'll be less confused that way π