monstersnroses

Yess!!!

The fact is that hebephi1ia is a subcategory of p3dophilia. And hebephiles would like you to think that's not the case, because they feel like they shouldn't be stigmatized to the same extent. But they're wrong on that. Prepubescent girls are still children, and pro-h3bephilic attitudes are morally repulsive to the general civilized population of the world.

So you believe EVERY male is unsafe? That actually ISN'T reasonable. It's hypervigilant, which is fine, that's your prerogative. But it isn't normal or reasonable, that's an attitude you carry from your personal scars. You're skirting the issue that he is of *particularly* untrustable character as is shown by the receipts we have thus far. He is HIGHLY problematic on multiple levels.

> What idiotic logic is this?

Now THAT is an ad hominem.

I do indeed. And no it was not. Your motivations as to why *you* would think about this case the way you do, is *relevant* to your arguments. It would be an ad hominem if I said "your brain is fried oatmeal therefore you are stupid and wrong." Because that is not relevant, and in no way could be construed as a rational or relevant argument.

We are not a court of law! We are consumers who hold the power of cultural relevance and cashflow. We are the market they are peddling their KSH wares to. We do not have the same criteria and standards as a court of law, and sometimes that's a good thing. OJ was never convicted in a court of law for murdering Nicole Simpson, but we ALL KNOW he did it, and now he's a pariah. Why? Because we didn't have the same threshhold for guilt as a court of law.

And no, this is not just about ped0philia, it's about grooming. You are lumping them together, but the proof of grooming IS there, as he CLEARLY was working on "courting" her, and had mentally sexualized her BEFORE she turned 16. There is also the extortion aspect of this, which also has sufficient receipts at this point, and you discredit that as valid as well. But it is all part of the same picture of what actually happened, and you don't need a court of law to put the pieces together, if you just use your own common sense, which you seem to refuse to accept as a valid method of deducing truth, whereas we do not.

At this point you're just trolling, because everything you've said has been addressed adequately in my other posts, so you are attempting to turn this into a circular conversation, which I'm not gonna do with you. I'm trying to watch The Best Thing, cook dinner, and garden. I'll say what I have to say, argue what needs to be argued, but I'm not gonna repeat myself for the slow people in the back who aren't arguing anything in good faith.

Your posts betray the fact that you have been systematically rejecting each singular piece of evidence as circumstantial. But all that mountain of circumstantial evidence paints a very clear picture which you refuse - or pretend to refuse - to see. Which means you are deliberately NOT exercising your common sense. And that's fine, if you want to be the court of law in your own mind. But that's not a reasonable ask for you to expect other people to reject all this circumstantial evidence that paints a consistent and whole picture of what went on.

I'm sorry to be this way with you, but we are done. Because I honestly no longer believe you ARE arguing in good faith. I don't feel I need to block you, but I'm not engaging with you any longer on this, I feel it's a waste of my finite time on earth.

Same. This is not easy work. Best wishes and peace to you.

I'm not one of those people saying shit like "i hope he dies" or "If you support this guy you deserve to be in hell" or whatever. For me, it's never personal, and this should stay within the realm of rational discourse and not devolve. I don't mind disagreements with other people who are at least rational about their POV. But everybody's really upset, and there's not a lot you can do to calm them down right now. It is what it is.

I think this is a natural visceral reaction on an international level, to what is basically Korean hebephilic acceptance culture. It used to be worse, but their collective attitudes are still not up to international levels of decency. That has to change if they want to stay relevant as a cultural mecca for entertainment.

I believe we can minimize harm TO VICTIMS and future victims, by ostracizing the sh*t out of this guy to send a message to SKorean justice system, entertainment industry, and SKorean hebephilic culture, that this kind of shit - regardless of whether the SKorean justice system punishes him - is NOT COOL AT ALL.

If you gloss this over, you harm the victims and future victims. If you make a big stink about it and ostracize the behaviors involved - namely extortion, power imbalance abusive relationships, and sexualizing young girls - you harm the perpetrators. Either way, someone is going to be harmed. This is about prioritizing who is more important when interests clash. For me, it's the victim.

I'm NOT looking to minimize "human harm". I'm looking to minimize victimization of those who have no power to defend themselves.

yeah real head-scratcher there... :P

What makes you say "of course no one would let them bbysit their daughter". Isn't that because you know - using common sense - that he might view her as a sexual entity, because that's within his purview?

Also, you say of course no one would, and yet some people in this comments section can't bring themselves to answer that question.

Any sane person would, yknow. Should not be a difficult question.

I've asked this to a few users over the past few days who say "he's not guilty until he's proven guilty of ped0philia":

"Would you let him babysit your 13 yo daughter?"

I never get a response back. You know why? Because regardless of when he pounded her taffy, we all know that he sexualizes underage girls! If he is dating 16 year olds, that means he looks at even younger girls and says to himself "I wonder if she's legal... CUZ ID HIT THAT."

Why does a SKorean court have to prove him guilty of ped0philia before they'll admit that he is messed up and deserves to have his status as #1 K-drama idol REVOKED by k-drama watchers? These are the same people who can't answer a simple yes or no question about whether they'd let him babysit their 13yo daughter.

No, and not only that, it's not an ad hominem attack. I'm saying that that person is not engaging their common sense on this issue, and it's because this guy doesn't look like a gremlin troll that lives under a bridge or they wouldn't even be here giving a shit in the comments section of his page.

They are acting like life is court. This isn't a legal trial. I hope he gets one.

Oh you mean like OJ Simpson was proven guilty?

You can't answer the babysitting question even though I asked you twice. Why is that such a hard question for you to answer I wonder?

So the grooming and extortion part is okay with you??

WOULD YOU LET HIM BABYSIT YOUR THIRTEEN YEAR OLD DAUGHTER, YES OR NO.

Proven by who or by what? He's slowly proving his guilt RIGHT NOW. Because of the drip-drip release of evidence he's already been caught in several lies, and every day that goes by he digs his hole deeper.

WOULD YOU LET HIM BABYSIT YOUR THIRTEEN YO DAUGHTER, YES OR NO.

Why tf would she care about a group of deranged 15 year old fans, when the other side to that is fighting for justice and ensuring he doesn't have other victims? She's in heaven now! She has nothing whatsoever to fear from a bunch of mean fangirl lunatics.

She couldn't fight while she was alive because KSH and GM were too powerful.

She killed herself on his birthday SO THAT she could fight him from the grave. She thought her voice would have more power in death than it did in life, and she was not wrong. And now after sacrificing her life over this issue so that she could speak out as a victim, you are in a rush to silence her voice just because it vicariously 'hurts you' to see her memory get treated that way by weirdo KSH fans. Toughen up.

If every victimizer had their way, people would never be brought to any kind of justice (legal or social) under the guise of "let her memory rest in peace". SHE CANNOT REST IN PEACE UNTIL THERE IS JUSTICE.

If this case is exposed, dealt with, and buried in the span of a week or two, no one will ever remember, and he'll be back to work in 6 months.

It's quite toxic to bury your head in the sand and disengage your common sense just because you think the perpetrator in question is hot.

She wouldn't want to go down without a fight, forgotten in the end. She'd want to make damn sure what happened to her never happened to another young girl.

The longer they draw out the release of incriminating evidence, the longer this story lasts in the news cycle, and the more public exposure it gets to normies who are too busy with their own lives to know what's going on.

The drip-drip release ensures that Gold Narcissist is scrambling to refute claims on a continual basis, which then just digs their hole deeper as they get caught in more and more lies.