How did the Fl character show that the 30 year strong relationship is still there?She basically was done with…
That's exactly what they showed in those 2 episodes.
Which part of what I said was not shown in these episodes?
In fact, the only reason she came back is NOT because her boyfriend cheated. It's because she got screwed at her job. If that did not happen, she would have moved on the next boyfriend, exactly like she did the few other times before.
The only and only reason she came back is because she had no where else to go. The only reason she is not on to her next boyfriend is because she lost her job not because of the ML.
On other hand, the ML is, yuck...he probably is the simpiest and wimpiest Kdrama ML yet. Cdramas have had worse but this ML in this drama set the barometer high for Kdrama writers wrt 'holy shit that ML is crap' set up.
We have seen this set up in hundreds of these Asian dramas. the writers going extra mile to create scenarios for FL to be with as many men as possible. And the same writers would invent weird diseases and issues no one heard to make ML not even have a female dog next to him.
At this point the writers of these dramas are so obvious with these tropes, it's a surprise not more people are calling out this shit.
That door scene is very well written and act specifically when Yong pil show's that finger gun in that situation…
How did the Fl character show that the 30 year strong relationship is still there?
She basically was done with the ML. She dated multiple guys after breaking up with ML. She had no intention of moving back to their place & the only reason she is back is for a single reason, that she got screwed.
She pretty much had zero place in her heart or mind about the ML. She was done and dusted and if not for her circumstances, she would not even be back. She did not give a crap about ML, not even a bit, not an iota. If not for her cheating 5th Boy Friend and her own career sabotaged, she would be happily enjoying herself in arms of another man doing job she loved.
Most romance Kdrama and Cdrama ML's are simps but this guy makes it to the top 10 list of the best wimpy simps in Kdrama/Cdrama land. The writers left no stone unturned to show how wimpy and pathetic this ML is, just like most romance ML's in this industry.
After spectacular first season, the second season is above average.
The first two episodes were insanely good and the next 6 episodes were average at best.
the two ML's and the older FL are the best characters of the show and they are barely there after 2 episodes. It's criminal choice to let your best players sit on sidelines in show like this. The rest of the characters are passable and simply did not have the depth or acting chops or the story line to enjoy having them on screen.
just too many characters having too much screen time and main ones not even present in middle episodes.
From entertainment POV, it delivered what it promised. 8/10
Can you name a single Kdrama where the reverse was shown?The ML moved on and dated multiple women&the FL stayed…
Dear, I don't mind these dramas at all.
They are nice, now and then.
But my point always has been that this is the proto type ML in most romance Kdramas and Cdramas. THAT is the issue.
ML's in romance dramas are almost always these type while the FL fare much better.
It's not about need to be realitistic. That's only one part of it. The need is also about variety. When 8 out of 10 romance Kdramas have this ML who onnly ever loved FL and the FL in all these dramas have multiple men, then we NEED to talk about that pattern.
Can you name a single Kdrama where the reverse was shown?The ML moved on and dated multiple women&the FL stayed…
Why not share a few a few Kdramas or Cdramas where the ML sleeps around, Cut off time is last 4 years.
On other hand, I can name few where the FL does exactly what you do.
I keeps asking people to back up what they say but they fail to do. They don't give examples or name dramas.
So, please prove me wrong and provide few dramas where the Ml sleeps around. Forget sleeping, name few dramas where ML multiple girl friends or even shows sexual attraction to another female than the FL.
Guess Jeju does not have women..You don't need lot of options. With his looks the only thing ML had to do was…
Because these dramas show FL's enjoying with other men, having interactions with other men, living their life in the moment.
Your comments reek of double standards and Misandry. It is sick seeing people like expecting men to stay put and not even interact with females while the women are enjoying themselves with other men.
When exposed of double standards and Misandry, all you got is outrage.
Guess Jeju does not have women..You don't need lot of options. With his looks the only thing ML had to do was…
Yes, she is kind, caring and good but she is NOT compatible with ML. Her own outlook at relationships and life is complete opposite of ML. While ML is shown very dedicated to the woman he loved, FL is like meh, I have other men and had no problems moving on. Any obstacle in future, ML will still love FL but FL will land on top of another man.
STD's - They are a reality. Someone like ML is safe in that aspect with having just one partner in his life. FL had multiple partners and chance of STD's grow astronomically with each extra partner, no matter how safe the sex is.
It's not about gender. If the ML was shown like the FL having muultiple partners and casual about relationships and FL being serious about committed, I would have said ML is not suitable for the FL.
I find many of comments by people like you as Misandry...You want women to have multiple partners but expect monk in return. Deary, world does not work that way.
It's the job of kdrama and Cdrama ML's to keep themselves pure for the FL.
They show even ML staying as pure. have not watched India and Pakistan ones but many Japanese shows and Turkish shows have ML and FL both staying pure.
Western shows show both ML and FL as in reality.
Dramas need to decide to base their leads in drama world OR real world. but having FL in real world with sexual desires & showing ML as monks is absolute bonkers.
The anger is not because of just this drama.These kinds of ML's have been the trend in Cdramas and Kdramas for…
Your post reeks of ignorance of reality of the situation.
no one demanded women go to wars, no one demanded women to be on fishing vessels or oil rigs or heavy transport or thousands of jobs that are extremely difficult in terms of physicality.
Point was, feminists demanding equality are harming women more. You really think most women want to go and serve in infantry during war or work on oil rigs? They don't. You think women want men claiming to be women to be in their toilets? They don't.
The whole feminist movement is a perversion that is not based on reality.
The construction business is booming, just go and apply and do it. Don't preach crap here, when the numbers in many of these jobs are crystal clear that MOST women just don't prefer to do them.
The thing is it is not that ml cant move on it is that kdrama writers have to write his character like that. Why…
Did I say any thing about what you posted?
In fact because these things happen in real life, the drama need to very careful when showcasing themes like assault, sexual assault, battery, etc etc.
It is precisely because it's NOT ok for men to hit women or sexually assault them that the dramas should not showcase reverse as something ok. In real world it;s absolutely not ok for men to even lay a finger on a women. So, why would the drama portray something so heinous and dangerous as ok when women are doing men?
The anger is not because of just this drama.These kinds of ML's have been the trend in Cdramas and Kdramas for…
basically you agree with my analysis on how predictable ML's are in most Kdramas.
Once we establish THAT fact, we can live with the fact of people liking or disliking that kind of dramas.
regarding feminism and how vile it is, I hold my strong views on it, especially considering these feminist in my country want to allow any man claiming to be a woman into girls bathrooms...
You seem to be getting it wrong though. for most part I just love most FL in most Kdramas. Even the ones being abusive, hateful, vicious etc etc. It just shows the variety of FL's kdramas have. the only thing I don't like is how Fl being abusive is never addressed as negative... apart from that, FL are basically why I watch these shows. ML's are so bland and boring..
I too love simple Kdramas but these dramas are not simple. They have an absolutely wimpy and shitty ML in most of them just to cater to fantasies of sections of viewers.
The anger is not because of just this drama.These kinds of ML's have been the trend in Cdramas and Kdramas for…
Yes, Nevetheless was an odd one. That ML in that drama does not fit the pattern of usual ML's.
Yumi Cell, I don't consider a main stream Kdrama. Anyway with the FL being portrayed that way, it would have made it that hard to justify a ML without any prior experience. The only real exception is Nevetheless and even in that the FL is not shy one man woman.
Anyway, That's just 2 dramas amongst dozens in last few years. It should shout at you that my point is spot on about how shitty ML's are written in current Kdramas.
Old ones may have been but my experience in asian dramas is last few years and I have only this period to relate to...
Anyway, want to guess how many Kdramas released in last 3 months have FL crushing and lusting after men other than ML?
I hope the point is understood, ML's as portrayed in Nevethless are very very rare. Most fit the dutiful, dedicated to FL kind. Many dramas don't even have female dogs in ML's life. The one 2FL is usually caricature of a bitch. The FL's vary a lot though. they go from inexperienced to very experienced and always having men in her life, multiple of them, enriching her life.
Again, you missed the most important part of my question. I specifically asked about ML's shown as attracted and horny as in reaction in their face and body language that shows intense physical attraction to a woman.....you failed to provide an example. I can literally point to dramas where the FL are drooling over men. It happens in most kdramas, the FL's are shown physically attracted to men other than ML, showing on their face and body language wanting to shag them... There are currently Kdramas running that have these FL's. the recently finished 'Destined With You' has FL who is shown to be very attracted to 2ML. I simply can go on with recent kdramas proving my point.
The anger is not because of just this drama.These kinds of ML's have been the trend in Cdramas and Kdramas for…
I have no problems with FL of this drama, while there are other dramas where that was an issue, this one it's not.
FL is this one is how a normal person usually goes through their life. They have their own ambition, their goals, crushes, loves, relationships and reality. The FL is ambitious women with modern outlook on life. There absolutely is nothing wrong with it.
The pathetic portrayal of ML is the problem. This is ML we usually see in most Cdramas and lot of Kdrmas now a days. It's a disappointing caricature of ML's that is repetitive and frankly reflects weak and pathetic men.
It's ok to have these kinds of ML's now and then. Then they become fun. repeating the same ML in most dramas becomes shitty and really unimaginative writing.
Let me repeat this again, I rarely find Kdrama FL's to be trash or problematic. It's always the ML that are problematic with how unrealistic they are. Now because the ML's are so unrealistic, on contrary, the FL starts coming across as worse. Even this drama for example, FL dating multiple men is not an issue at all. But because the writers went with a ML who is portrayed in such unnatural way, it raises the whole debate. It's not just because of THIs drama, ML's are usually shown very dedicated to FL's, while the FL are shown to be entangled with multiple men in these dramas. If only the ML's are like FL's where they shown sexually attracted to other women or even dating multiple women, like how FL's usually do, it would not an issue at all.
I keep asking a simple question to a lot people who debate with me,
Show me a single instance where in last few years a Kdrama ML looks at a woman other than FL and thinks of her as sexy or gets horny? on other side, I can show a dozen dramas this year the FL gets horny looking at men other than ML.
I hope you can answer the question. If you can't an answer, you exactly what's wrong with Kdramas now a days.
especially considering how wonderful the actress playing the FL is..
She just shines. Her facial expressions are absolutely incredible.
Which part of what I said was not shown in these episodes?
In fact, the only reason she came back is NOT because her boyfriend cheated.
It's because she got screwed at her job. If that did not happen, she would have moved on the next boyfriend, exactly like she did the few other times before.
The only and only reason she came back is because she had no where else to go.
The only reason she is not on to her next boyfriend is because she lost her job not because of the ML.
On other hand, the ML is, yuck...he probably is the simpiest and wimpiest Kdrama ML yet.
Cdramas have had worse but this ML in this drama set the barometer high for Kdrama writers wrt 'holy shit that ML is crap' set up.
We have seen this set up in hundreds of these Asian dramas.
the writers going extra mile to create scenarios for FL to be with as many men as possible.
And the same writers would invent weird diseases and issues no one heard to make ML not even have a female dog next to him.
At this point the writers of these dramas are so obvious with these tropes, it's a surprise not more people are calling out this shit.
Perfect for 10 episode format.
She basically was done with the ML.
She dated multiple guys after breaking up with ML.
She had no intention of moving back to their place & the only reason she is back is for a single reason, that she got screwed.
She pretty much had zero place in her heart or mind about the ML. She was done and dusted and if not for her circumstances, she would not even be back.
She did not give a crap about ML, not even a bit, not an iota. If not for her cheating 5th Boy Friend and her own career sabotaged, she would be happily enjoying herself in arms of another man doing job she loved.
Most romance Kdrama and Cdrama ML's are simps but this guy makes it to the top 10 list of the best wimpy simps in Kdrama/Cdrama land.
The writers left no stone unturned to show how wimpy and pathetic this ML is, just like most romance ML's in this industry.
The first two episodes were insanely good
and the next 6 episodes were average at best.
the two ML's and the older FL are the best characters of the show and they are barely there after 2 episodes. It's criminal choice to let your best players sit on sidelines in show like this.
The rest of the characters are passable and simply did not have the depth or acting chops or the story line to enjoy having them on screen.
just too many characters having too much screen time and main ones not even present in middle episodes.
From entertainment POV, it delivered what it promised. 8/10
They are nice, now and then.
But my point always has been that this is the proto type ML in most romance Kdramas and Cdramas.
THAT is the issue.
ML's in romance dramas are almost always these type
while the FL fare much better.
It's not about need to be realitistic. That's only one part of it.
The need is also about variety.
When 8 out of 10 romance Kdramas have this ML who onnly ever loved FL and the FL in all these dramas have multiple men, then we NEED to talk about that pattern.
Cut off time is last 4 years.
On other hand, I can name few where the FL does exactly what you do.
I keeps asking people to back up what they say but they fail to do.
They don't give examples or name dramas.
So, please prove me wrong and provide few dramas where the Ml sleeps around.
Forget sleeping, name few dramas where ML multiple girl friends or even shows sexual attraction to another female than the FL.
Your comments reek of double standards and Misandry.
It is sick seeing people like expecting men to stay put and not even interact with females while the women are enjoying themselves with other men.
When exposed of double standards and Misandry, all you got is outrage.
but she is NOT compatible with ML. Her own outlook at relationships and life is complete opposite of ML. While ML is shown very dedicated to the woman he loved, FL is like meh, I have other men and had no problems moving on.
Any obstacle in future, ML will still love FL but FL will land on top of another man.
STD's - They are a reality. Someone like ML is safe in that aspect with having just one partner in his life. FL had multiple partners and chance of STD's grow astronomically with each extra partner, no matter how safe the sex is.
It's not about gender.
If the ML was shown like the FL having muultiple partners and casual about relationships and FL being serious about committed, I would have said ML is not suitable for the FL.
I find many of comments by people like you as Misandry...You want women to have multiple partners but expect monk in return.
Deary, world does not work that way.
have not watched India and Pakistan ones but many Japanese shows and Turkish shows have ML and FL both staying pure.
Western shows show both ML and FL as in reality.
Dramas need to decide to base their leads in drama world OR real world.
but having FL in real world with sexual desires & showing ML as monks is absolute bonkers.
no one demanded women go to wars,
no one demanded women to be on fishing vessels or oil rigs or heavy transport or thousands of jobs that are extremely difficult in terms of physicality.
Point was, feminists demanding equality are harming women more.
You really think most women want to go and serve in infantry during war or work on oil rigs?
They don't.
You think women want men claiming to be women to be in their toilets?
They don't.
The whole feminist movement is a perversion that is not based on reality.
The construction business is booming, just go and apply and do it.
Don't preach crap here, when the numbers in many of these jobs are crystal clear that MOST women just don't prefer to do them.
It's not about Korean culture or this culture or that culture.
Keep the discussion to Kdramas.
All your posts seem to be, men are shit..
So, woman thrashing men in dramas is ok.
Get out of that perverted mentality.
In fact because these things happen in real life, the drama need to very careful when showcasing themes like assault, sexual assault, battery, etc etc.
It is precisely because it's NOT ok for men to hit women or sexually assault them that the dramas should not showcase reverse as something ok.
In real world it;s absolutely not ok for men to even lay a finger on a women.
So,
why would the drama portray something so heinous and dangerous as ok when women are doing men?
It's only natural men should give up their sexual desires.
After all it;s the exclusive domain of women to have sexual desires and act on them.
Imagine equating men's normal sexual desires to rapists and perverts.
What a clown show.
ML and FL's husband are partners.
You do understand the ML is the older guy and the younger guy who is the husband of FL is a support character absent for many episodes in the drama.
Once we establish THAT fact, we can live with the fact of people liking or disliking that kind of dramas.
regarding feminism and how vile it is, I hold my strong views on it, especially considering these feminist in my country want to allow any man claiming to be a woman into girls bathrooms...
You seem to be getting it wrong though.
for most part I just love most FL in most Kdramas. Even the ones being abusive, hateful, vicious etc etc. It just shows the variety of FL's kdramas have.
the only thing I don't like is how Fl being abusive is never addressed as negative...
apart from that, FL are basically why I watch these shows.
ML's are so bland and boring..
I too love simple Kdramas but these dramas are not simple.
They have an absolutely wimpy and shitty ML in most of them just to cater to fantasies of sections of viewers.
That ML in that drama does not fit the pattern of usual ML's.
Yumi Cell, I don't consider a main stream Kdrama.
Anyway with the FL being portrayed that way, it would have made it that hard to justify a ML without any prior experience.
The only real exception is Nevetheless and even in that the FL is not shy one man woman.
Anyway, That's just 2 dramas amongst dozens in last few years. It should shout at you that my point is spot on about how shitty ML's are written in current Kdramas.
Old ones may have been but my experience in asian dramas is last few years and I have only this period to relate to...
Anyway, want to guess how many Kdramas released in last 3 months have FL crushing and lusting after men other than ML?
I hope the point is understood, ML's as portrayed in Nevethless are very very rare. Most fit the dutiful, dedicated to FL kind. Many dramas don't even have female dogs in ML's life. The one 2FL is usually caricature of a bitch.
The FL's vary a lot though. they go from inexperienced to very experienced and always having men in her life, multiple of them, enriching her life.
Again, you missed the most important part of my question.
I specifically asked about ML's shown as attracted and horny as in reaction in their face and body language that shows intense physical attraction to a woman.....you failed to provide an example.
I can literally point to dramas where the FL are drooling over men. It happens in most kdramas, the FL's are shown physically attracted to men other than ML, showing on their face and body language wanting to shag them...
There are currently Kdramas running that have these FL's. the recently finished 'Destined With You' has FL who is shown to be very attracted to 2ML. I simply can go on with recent kdramas proving my point.
FL is this one is how a normal person usually goes through their life.
They have their own ambition, their goals, crushes, loves, relationships and reality.
The FL is ambitious women with modern outlook on life.
There absolutely is nothing wrong with it.
The pathetic portrayal of ML is the problem.
This is ML we usually see in most Cdramas and lot of Kdrmas now a days. It's a disappointing caricature of ML's that is repetitive and frankly reflects weak and pathetic men.
It's ok to have these kinds of ML's now and then. Then they become fun. repeating the same ML in most dramas becomes shitty and really unimaginative writing.
Let me repeat this again,
I rarely find Kdrama FL's to be trash or problematic.
It's always the ML that are problematic with how unrealistic they are.
Now because the ML's are so unrealistic, on contrary, the FL starts coming across as worse.
Even this drama for example, FL dating multiple men is not an issue at all. But because the writers went with a ML who is portrayed in such unnatural way, it raises the whole debate.
It's not just because of THIs drama, ML's are usually shown very dedicated to FL's, while the FL are shown to be entangled with multiple men in these dramas. If only the ML's are like FL's where they shown sexually attracted to other women or even dating multiple women, like how FL's usually do, it would not an issue at all.
I keep asking a simple question to a lot people who debate with me,
Show me a single instance where in last few years a Kdrama ML looks at a woman other than FL and thinks of her as sexy or gets horny?
on other side, I can show a dozen dramas this year the FL gets horny looking at men other than ML.
I hope you can answer the question.
If you can't an answer, you exactly what's wrong with Kdramas now a days.
If all FL's are nice and goody goody, dramas will be boring.
That's exactly what they did to ML's,
all of them are wimpy simpy door mats, same in every drama, very boring