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Agreed, The Cdrama the extreme Virgin CEO 'Young master who never looked at a woman in his life' ML's are slowly making their way into Kdramas.

I doubt these men would have stayed put if other women were paying attention to them.
If not move on, they would have at least enjoyed themselves with other women.

Kdrama ML's are more like men with serious impotency.
Only LOVE of FL can cure them. No other women on earth can make it move.
FL's on other hand have normal sexual appetite. You will not find a single kdrama FL with diseases only ML can cure..

I have seen few older Kdramas,
the ML's were never as bad as the FL.

In fact in the few dramas where the ML physically abuses FL, the drama makes it amply clear that it was wrong.
The recent Kdramas has FL's brutally thrashing the ML and the tone of the drama makes it seem it's completely fine.
Just watch the first 2 episodes of 'Strangers Again', the FL physically and brutally assaults ML, repeatedly and not a peep in the tone of the drama.
I can name dozens of dramas where the Fl thrashes Ml and it is either shown as funny or ML deserves it.

While I understand how ML's portrayals were a problem in Kdramas, reversing and portraying FL's even worse is shitty paradigm shift.
It does not even makes sense.
What is it message? "It's alright if women do the same things we think are problem when men do them?"

It's hilarious how people defend Kdramas being written by absolutely shitty writers.
When viewers don't point out problematic writing, these morons will continue writing the same shit and throw it in our faces.

Btw, in the old kdramas, the FL's were never as wimpy simpy as the current Kdrama ML's.
God, these ML's are so wimpy that you feel like vomiting watching such weak men.

I have no intention of making this personal. I will desist from asking you certain questions that would make you squirm as well.

Let's stick to the drama.

Point I keep asking is, what is it that the ML is actually saying sorry for? Or even giving an explanation to the FL?
is he is not supposed to like another woman or be relationship with her if he wished?
What is so big deal about a man liking a woman that he needs to say sorry about, especially to some one who he is not in a relationship with?

There are literally hundreds of Cdramas where the FL is madly in love with 2ML. They even cry in front of ML about the 2ML. Just take Wonderland of Love, the FL literally abuses ML about 2ML. Did the FL apologize for that?
Did any FL in any Cdrama say sorry to ML for liking some other guy before the ML? I mean, there are 100's of dramas where this plays out and the ML is running around trying to win FL, being a stupid simp etc etc.

here the FL just huffs and puffs and the ML is being sorry? Just for what?

Lastly, being in love does not mean you cater to stupid and insane tantrums of your partner. That pretty much is a text book definition of an abusive and unsustainable relationship. It's not a parent-child where you pamper your kids.
Imagine saying sorry for things you are remotely not responsible for. Only twisted and perverted minds would even remotely relate to such a concept.

Completely agree with you.
You are spot on and your post is perfect.
In real life, you get different people, different environments, differnt relationships etc etc

My main point of debate was in response to the original post where the person equated men who enjoy sex as manWh0res, which was horrible way of insulting men.
This is similar to men who call women who enjoy sex as wh0res...If this is wrong, the person who made the original post was wrong as well.
What is good for gander is good for goose as well.

You probably missed the context of my post.

My firm belief that Feminism is the biggest enemy of women, at least modern feminism.

The delusion of these feminists is a sight to behold.

These feminists would not survive a week without men doing what they are doing to keep the world going.
Does not mean women are not contributing, they are and in equal measure and in terms of civilization continuation, more so.
Context is you don't see men as a group going off on women like these feminists do on men.

These dramas are affront to women in the way they cater to their worst fantasies.

LOL, if only these men existed in real life,
they would probably run away from these women...Why should such a man need to settle for these kind of women who don't offer the same devotion in return?

the common complaints is that the FL always have multiple other guys to fill the hole,
while the ML would be brooding in a dark room for decades, not even looking at other woman.

It basically is a trope to show FL is NOT that invested in the man. She has her own things and the man is is not the top of pecking order.
The ML though, there is one thing in the pecking order, the FL. Nothing and no one matters to him ever.
Even the thought of ML eying another woman, let alone having a relationship is a crime against humanity.

THAT is the common trope and people are just sick of the same shit in each and every drama.

If someone wants that kind of guys, they also need to be as good as these guys.
Opposite goes as well.

One can't demand all that from men and then turn around and be like the FL in this drama.
Same thing if a man wishes women to be nice and goody goody, he should be goody goody as well.

When something happens repeatedly, it is a pattern.

Kdrama and Cdrama patterns for FL and ML are very obvious by now.

It's not the characters but the writers writing these cliched, repeated unrealistic trash that are the problem.

Just imagine being a writer and writing a FL shagging friend of her ex husband, referred to her by her own ex husband. Really?!! One has to be really really stupid, like half brain missing stupid to write such shit.

The only reason a writer would even think of that crap is to project the ML as used toilet paper, a cuck with no self respect.
Oh, did i forget to mention that FL thrashes the Ml to pulp repeatedly?

Oh please, the actors are always in news for their raunchy life style.

Pretty sure even the actors playing these wimpy simpy ML's would be laughing their bottoms off at the shit written by these writers...

in any drama, the ex Bf of FL are paraded.
their relationship detailed to us, living together, intimacy and the deep love they had.

We don't need to assume FL's love for other men. The drama makes it plenty clear. Many dramas have the Fl weeping in front of ML about another man. That's the detail these dramas go to to show Fl relationsips.

and here you are claiming ML might have had other girls or how he might have done this or that with his gf.
The drama simply does not show it because they are clear that the ML did not have any other GF and even with this one, there was nothing.
just like how these same dramas, including this one are very clear when FL is attracted to 2ML. the FL in this one basically goes into horny mode while seeing 2ML.
Show one single scene where ML shows even the slightest of affection for 2FL?

basically the answer to those kind of ML's is to shift to similar FL's
while turning ML's from men into wimps.

It is so offensive to women to even read something like that.
It basically telling women that in real world you are not capable of handling men so in dramas we will cater to your fantasy of a submissive man without testicles to be abused by you...

The premise is sick.

So what?
fact still remains that the writers did not let the ML move on,
while making the FL shag his friend...I mean, it's not like he forced her. You are talking as if she does not have a brain or even awareness that shagging friend of her ex is a baad idea. Anyone with an iota of brain could have told her that.

The whole tone of that drama..the FL and her friend openly discuss sex, threesome etc, while the ML and his friend watch horror movies and get spooked.

It was so bizarre, like most kdramas, the ML's are bizarre fakes.

Role reversal for fun means few dramas
but every drama being like that is kind of bland.

It's like you already know the ML is a wimpy doormat right at the start of the drama.

There is nothing to look forward to when it comes to ML's in these dramas.

regarding feminist movement, it was fine long back. Now it's a BS movement.
Anyone still believes in modern feminism need their brain examined.

No feminist demanded women be sent to front lines in Ukraine-Russia war & it;s not like Ukraine does not have women or feminists.
The only thing modern feminists want is power without any responsibilities.
No feminist ever demanded equality when war happens, they usually are the first ones to run. It's the traditional women that take the gun and have the fight in them.
No feminist ever demanded the thousand odd tough jobs that men do to keep the world running. They are extremely tough, so, feminists pretend oil magically appears at pumps, groceries in markets, fish in hotels, buildings magically appear etc etc.

All for equality and even special rights for women for being women.
but feminism...yuk.

a girl friend with whom he apparently never even held hands with.

She was busy shagging some other dude while the ML could not care less about her shagging other guy.
That's not called dating life, it's called being in shit.

At least FL and 2ML have nice friendly interactions on many occasions.
the number of nice interactions between ML and his gf - zero.

I don't care, as long as the tone of drama treats ML and FL fairly.

The drama can go for realistic romance with ML and FL having dated others,
The drama can also go for ML and FL being each other's first love.
The drama can also be mixed.

The only preference I have is to see variety in my dramas with characters surprising me.

Moving was my fav kdrama this year by a long shot.
The ML's wife in that is a prostitute. It was the best Kdrama romance this year.

Going on date is not Dating.

Dating means, a relationship, usually includes physical aspects as well. Unless explicitly stated, the understanding of dating includes sex, even in teenagers now a days.
Kdramas have been pretty open about their understanding of dating for few years now, it includes sex, unless otherwise stated.

You did not mention FL but you used ManWh0res for men who sleep around. So, the question that naturally follows is, does this extend to woman as well...
What does that make FL who had physical relationships with multiple men?

You love watching asian dramas because MLs don't sleep around,
That is your preference for ML's.
If MLs who sleeps around like the FL of this drama is not your preference, just because he is sleeping around, then the sleeping around becomes the sole reason for liking or not liking.

That's why I asked if this extended to FL as well.

Glad you clarified that you are perfectly fine with FL's sleeping around but prefer pure ML's who don't sleep around.

Destined with you ML had the fakest GF in history of Kdrama.

FL saw more action with 2ML in 10 mins of the drama than what ML saw with his gf in whole of the drama...