I'm genuinely curious and I don't have any intention to offend anyone. Just for how long people keep understanding…
"I don't have any intention to offend" ... procceeds to offend
Your question basically translates into "Just how much do we nt have to tolerate autistic people?"
Damn have you not seen the things strangers will say and how they will treat someone with autism? Did you miss the part where she switched schools because of bullying? Did you not see how hard it was for Yeongwoo to make even one friend? Have you not noticed the way Minwoo treats her? Did you not see the way people were treating Junho for being with her? She's almost in her thirties and it's her first romantic relationship. The girl's allowed to be self-conscious!
the cases are actually interesting and do serve as a backdrop for young woo's development. To be honest the romance…
Like Katsuge said, the cases serve as a backdrop for Yeongwoo's development, so Yeongwoo is the main focus and thus naturally what people will talk about. There's not much to say about someone copying an ATM part or unfair fees being collected for using a road. But if a certain someone tries to sabotage Yeongwoo's career, then that will send people riling, lol.
I feel like episode 15 was one of my favourites. We saw a very loveable side to Yeongwoo. From her cheering on attorney Jung to being vulnerable with Junho, it was great to see. Despite what Yeongwoo says or thinks, or how her actions may come across, I believe Junho can see that she genuinely cares for him. Now if only Yeongwoo trusted Junho's word as well.
I think the court case here was interesting. The change-up of the team made me feel so many emotions... Unbelievable how fragile a man's ego can be to the point of ruining a case instead of listening to his partners. But also, this was the first time I saw Minwoo in a genuinely good light.
I'm a little apprehensive as to how tomorrow's episode will be able to conclude the family drama and am curious as to what part the younger son will play in this. Since it seems that filming ended before any talks of S2, I hope we won't be left with many loose ends and get a satisfactory ending.
the scene with youngwoo and junho was done very well. i could somehow relate to and empathize with what youngwoo…
"some people in this comment section are just masking their ableism in the guise of constructive criticism" damn say it louder for the people at the back đŻ
It is not an issue from last decade but right now. You sound very dismissive about autists and the struggles we face so I will not be engaging in this conversation any further.
Okay, those are valid points, but they have nothing to do with this âlack of research, or misrepresentationâ with autism that our conversation has been about this whole time.
Good job, you found the ratio number, now look more into it. Itâs about official medical diagnosis. Females are often just NOT given an autism diagnose and therefore they donât go on record. They might go to a different psychiatrist who WILL give them an ASD diagnosis. The signs of autism are more obvious in young boys, therefore they will be given a diagnose more easily.
Go more into depth with your research if you truly wish to understand, because quite frankly I am offended and tired of you saying âmaybe, maybe notâ when I as an autist am sharing my first-hand experience with you.
Iâm not saying that ONLY autistics can have a say at this. A psychiatrist may very well be able to comment on this as well, but there are also psychiatrists who are quite dismissive about autism in women. You can also do research by talking to professionals, consulting reliable sources, listening to people with autism, but it has to be multiple sources. Just because you have seen and interacted with some autistic people doesnât mean that you know it all about them and can accurately say what an autist is or isnât because we are all so different. So what exactly are you assessing here?
You are just picking up a fight by saying I am biased, instead of clearly expressing where your opinions and doubts come from. You mention talking to one other autistic person, who seems to have a different experience than me. Both our opinions are valid if thatâs our experience, but I donât understand your basis of saying that the author needed to do more research. With what exactly? What aspect of representation is inaccurate? Because again, with the plot points that you pointed out, I have shared they are very real for people with autism, so they are in fact not lacking as far as I see it.
The author doesnât need to be autistic to tell a story about autism. If I were to try to write one I would still need to do a lot of research, because I only know and can comment on my experience. Do you also think that authors of medical dramas have to be doctors, only people with a law degree can write law dramas, historical dramas must be written by only historians? It might be helpful, but you may as well do it with the help of research. If one isnât thorough with it, then it might be inaccurate. My examples are a lot more black and white than what autism is. Still, you are not saying what the writer of EAW has represented poorly. WHAT does she need to do more research on? WHY do you say that?
I don't really understand your choice to "believe" only those autistic people who say it's not accurate. If I say that I, as a fellow autistic, can relate to Yeongwoo in some aspects, then that's just as valid as someone not relating to it. I have seen lots of other people relating to it as well. I am not supporting the author, I am just pointing out to you that the things that you find questionable are things that I have experienced in my daily life as someone with autism. To me, your comments sound extremely dismissive as if you don't believe that these are things that autistic people experience.
What exactly do you need convincing about lol? You said you wish to hear more so I am just addressing your comments as an actual person with autism to explain that the portrayal of Yeongwoo isn't inconsistent but very real and relatable to autistic people. I find it funny if you don't believe it just because that's not your experience, especially as a neurotypical.
Also, what does lifespan have to do with anything? As autism is a spectrum, there are many people who go undiagnosed because it might not severely impact their life or because their symptoms are dismissed by neurotypicals. This is especially true for women. Those on the lower end of the spectrum don't have much issue living their life independently and thus their lifespan would not be affected by their autism.
It seems to me that in your head an autistic person is someone with a very low mental age who requires assistance and who can't speak for themselves adequately, as the portrayed characters in the drama for the court cases. In reality, I think I'm repeating myself a lot with this, but I want you to really understand this, it is a spectrum, and a lot of us can function on our own and navigate life just fine, just with some bumps along the road that we learn to deal with. Just because we don't need someone to hold our hand all the time doesn't give people the right to dismiss our diagnose.
Yeongwoo needed Geurami to take the batteries out of the clock, I can do it myself. We are still both autistic.
...She has a law degree, top of the class as well. Of course she knows how a lawyer should operate in a courtroom. We saw her learning how to object, so she has actually received instructions on how to act as well. Also, she might have learned from her father, the TV, or maybe she has sat in on a court hearing.
Everything is situational. Just because she is able to navigate one difficult situation well doesn't mean she can't have a hard time with an "easy" situation. Again, an example from my life: I know what to do in front of the classroom as my job without being fed instructions for every little thing, but if my friend tells me to "cut the cucumber into small pieces" I get stressed because I don't know if they mean halves or quarters or how thick the pieces should be, so I ask them to demonstrate first. Am I then inconsistent as a person?
She isn't "repeating her autistic symptoms", she's just being herself. One thing about autistic people is that we take things literally and at face value. Things aren't always "obvious" as you neurotypicals might think. So, if Geurami tells her that she must compliment the food and their house, then she very well might just say it without thinking about it, because that's what she was instructed to do. A real-life example: A mother tells her son to fill the pitcher with water for the dog. The kid fills a pitcher and puts it on the floor. Later the mother complains because what she really meant and how she should've instructed the kid was this: Fill the pitcher with water and then pour it into the dog bowl for it to drink.
I wish I knew more accurately what you meant by "acting as a neurotypical at many times," because it might very well be that you're just referring to moments that she's not struggling with social situations, which is very well possible. Autistic people aren't socially inept 100% of the time, you know. Sure, autistic people can learn to mask and thus act neurotypical, but the key here is that they have to LEARN. What is meant or socially acceptable at any given moment? Oftentimes we can't know without explicit instruction or experience. So basically, even if Geurami has been around for long and knows a lot about Yeongwoo, she still doesn't do things 100% right, meaning that it would have been useful for her to comment on when would the comments be accurate to make, not that you absolutely have to say this.
Just because you are in your thirties, or a lawyer, doesnât mean that you can turn your autism off. You learn to mask and act like expected, but at the core those things donât go away. Like Yeongwoo being told not to talk about whales at work, but she will still do it in other places and situations, inappropriate situations even, because she hasnât been told otherwise. This doesnât make her stupid, or whatever you mean by you doubting the portrayal of Yeongwoo as a person with autism.
I don't think that's a fair comment to make. Lots of people feel like it serves as a good representation. Keeping in mind that this is a drama and Yeoungwoo is a genius on top of having ASD, things might seem a bit over the top, but overall they're doing a good job. The autism spectrum is very wide and thus it's impossible to EVER have an accurate representation of what it's like to live with it, as it might be accurate for one, but inaccurate for the other. For example, I suppose I'm on the lower end of it myself, so there is a lot that I can't relate to, but sensory overload with sound is my biggest struggle, so I found the clock scene in ep 13 or 14 very accurate, FOR ME.
I think I can understand why the viewer ratings for this were low. It's a bit sad because they said themselves that they were worried about what people would think. However, what I liked about this is how authentic it was. They didn't play it up for the viewers' entertainment and we got a nice glimpse into their friendship. While watching this, I was overcome with a feeling of warmth.
I'm the same age as Taehyung and my friends are also older, and when we hang out it's mostly the same: low tension, just talking, eating, and enjoying each other's company. There was a sense of familiarity in this which was very nice.
Could someone tell me what is the drink that they were drinking in Episode 7 on the Mountain top of Sodeok-dong?…
it's sikhye, a sweet rice drink. if you ever have the opportunity to try it, do! i think it's very good, especially if you can get the real deal, not a bottled/canned one.
Your question basically translates into "Just how much do we nt have to tolerate autistic people?"
Damn have you not seen the things strangers will say and how they will treat someone with autism? Did you miss the part where she switched schools because of bullying? Did you not see how hard it was for Yeongwoo to make even one friend? Have you not noticed the way Minwoo treats her? Did you not see the way people were treating Junho for being with her? She's almost in her thirties and it's her first romantic relationship. The girl's allowed to be self-conscious!
I think the court case here was interesting. The change-up of the team made me feel so many emotions... Unbelievable how fragile a man's ego can be to the point of ruining a case instead of listening to his partners. But also, this was the first time I saw Minwoo in a genuinely good light.
I'm a little apprehensive as to how tomorrow's episode will be able to conclude the family drama and am curious as to what part the younger son will play in this. Since it seems that filming ended before any talks of S2, I hope we won't be left with many loose ends and get a satisfactory ending.
Good job, you found the ratio number, now look more into it. Itâs about official medical diagnosis. Females are often just NOT given an autism diagnose and therefore they donât go on record. They might go to a different psychiatrist who WILL give them an ASD diagnosis. The signs of autism are more obvious in young boys, therefore they will be given a diagnose more easily.
Go more into depth with your research if you truly wish to understand, because quite frankly I am offended and tired of you saying âmaybe, maybe notâ when I as an autist am sharing my first-hand experience with you.
You are just picking up a fight by saying I am biased, instead of clearly expressing where your opinions and doubts come from. You mention talking to one other autistic person, who seems to have a different experience than me. Both our opinions are valid if thatâs our experience, but I donât understand your basis of saying that the author needed to do more research. With what exactly? What aspect of representation is inaccurate? Because again, with the plot points that you pointed out, I have shared they are very real for people with autism, so they are in fact not lacking as far as I see it.
The author doesnât need to be autistic to tell a story about autism. If I were to try to write one I would still need to do a lot of research, because I only know and can comment on my experience. Do you also think that authors of medical dramas have to be doctors, only people with a law degree can write law dramas, historical dramas must be written by only historians? It might be helpful, but you may as well do it with the help of research. If one isnât thorough with it, then it might be inaccurate. My examples are a lot more black and white than what autism is. Still, you are not saying what the writer of EAW has represented poorly. WHAT does she need to do more research on? WHY do you say that?
Also, what does lifespan have to do with anything? As autism is a spectrum, there are many people who go undiagnosed because it might not severely impact their life or because their symptoms are dismissed by neurotypicals. This is especially true for women. Those on the lower end of the spectrum don't have much issue living their life independently and thus their lifespan would not be affected by their autism.
It seems to me that in your head an autistic person is someone with a very low mental age who requires assistance and who can't speak for themselves adequately, as the portrayed characters in the drama for the court cases. In reality, I think I'm repeating myself a lot with this, but I want you to really understand this, it is a spectrum, and a lot of us can function on our own and navigate life just fine, just with some bumps along the road that we learn to deal with. Just because we don't need someone to hold our hand all the time doesn't give people the right to dismiss our diagnose.
Yeongwoo needed Geurami to take the batteries out of the clock, I can do it myself. We are still both autistic.
Everything is situational. Just because she is able to navigate one difficult situation well doesn't mean she can't have a hard time with an "easy" situation. Again, an example from my life: I know what to do in front of the classroom as my job without being fed instructions for every little thing, but if my friend tells me to "cut the cucumber into small pieces" I get stressed because I don't know if they mean halves or quarters or how thick the pieces should be, so I ask them to demonstrate first. Am I then inconsistent as a person?
A real-life example: A mother tells her son to fill the pitcher with water for the dog. The kid fills a pitcher and puts it on the floor. Later the mother complains because what she really meant and how she should've instructed the kid was this: Fill the pitcher with water and then pour it into the dog bowl for it to drink.
I wish I knew more accurately what you meant by "acting as a neurotypical at many times," because it might very well be that you're just referring to moments that she's not struggling with social situations, which is very well possible. Autistic people aren't socially inept 100% of the time, you know. Sure, autistic people can learn to mask and thus act neurotypical, but the key here is that they have to LEARN. What is meant or socially acceptable at any given moment? Oftentimes we can't know without explicit instruction or experience. So basically, even if Geurami has been around for long and knows a lot about Yeongwoo, she still doesn't do things 100% right, meaning that it would have been useful for her to comment on when would the comments be accurate to make, not that you absolutely have to say this.
Just because you are in your thirties, or a lawyer, doesnât mean that you can turn your autism off. You learn to mask and act like expected, but at the core those things donât go away. Like Yeongwoo being told not to talk about whales at work, but she will still do it in other places and situations, inappropriate situations even, because she hasnât been told otherwise. This doesnât make her stupid, or whatever you mean by you doubting the portrayal of Yeongwoo as a person with autism.
I'm the same age as Taehyung and my friends are also older, and when we hang out it's mostly the same: low tension, just talking, eating, and enjoying each other's company. There was a sense of familiarity in this which was very nice.