0 romance and kisses. Its all about the politics. Oh yes there was also the necessary shoehorned LGBTQ+ tropes that are forgotten in the second half, but I guess it was enough to secure funding.
The start was very slow, it really picked up for me about when they got married, and pretty much fizzled out when they actually came together. The focus actually shifted to support couples and was far more interesting. The use of the same annoying antagonist was also quite repetitive and annoying. 8.5/10
Now on episode 21 and I continue to think she is a piece of work. She’s the one with major issues, not the ml.…
I can't stand ML being so unrealistically obsessed. That's why I cut all the steamy scenes out into a compact 38m 1GB vid. Now if only i had those cut scenes Youko released...
There was so much to cover and they condensed the story to make it fit the 24 episodes. The break up happens after…
So you didn't see or forget how she searches for his form in the new city she now works at. The scene was shown two times you know.
Even the staring match in the elevator as she sees him, and he her, shows everything, how they want each other, but the girl had so cruelly destroyed him last, how can she show her vulnerable side, so she makes up the lie of a fiance. He even teases her about it in a scene where she inadvertently says that she will get a boyfriend to cook for her. So no boyfriend nor a fiance existed.
The roles were essentially reversed, now she became proud and he insecure. It was actually ironic as she termed the prior arrangement as a bad thing and wondered why they were like that but the reverse is fine with her. Perhaps it was all about her being dominant and he subservient.
Its a Josei romance, though I don't see him as childish, he is though very blunt which he slowly grows out of,…
I did watch it completely. There were a number of breakups. All in all most of the problems were either created or were induced by the FL as she wasn't mature enough to know how relationships work. How you prioritize and make space for your boyfriend in your life. How you communicate in a timely manner before things you missed to tell them become problems.
Her friend group is the best example, she should have included him in it. She should have told him about how her relationship is with them. She only told him tid bits only when it became a problem.
Then at the end it was highly uncharacteristic for her to leave Lime when faced with defeat. Then throw all her vomit on him as if he is a stone to be hammered.
You see this is a Josei romance, typical tropes: - Strong FL in a particular aspect of life, though personally, vulnerable and immature. - Extremely handsome and brilliant ML has to take her breath away usually in a higher capacity than her. - Be cold with bad temper and have a sharp gaze. - Once smitten, he will be rather forceful to gain her attention. - He will melt her guards whenever he gives her puppy dog eyes. - Romance with heavy focus on intimate encounters. - The ML will remain unrealistically faithful and strive for her acceptance even when she deeply hurts him.
Even Luke was not good either.Called her on her birthday but didn't even wish herCalled her on new year, Didn't…
She didn't even tell him about her friends she spends so much time with and prioritizes over him. Only when it bit her she howled injustice and try to straighten the record. That's actually the main pain point in their relationship. If she is that close to this group, she should have included him in the group.
All of the problems you mention revolve around her not prioritizing and including him in her life, as a boyfriend should have been.
Why would he wish her birthday, she didn't even want him to know about it, lol. He found out from her friend. Yes you can say he could have capitalized on it but if he doesn't there is no loss. It had just been 3 days into their relationship.
As for new year, its the same concept, she went with her friends again, didn't even invite him. He would have flown to her. He is unrealistically smitten with her.
He did say he likes her, explicitly I think 1 to 2 times, but it doesn't need to be said explicitly. Just saying I missed you or you are beautiful is equivalent,these has been said many times. Both of them didn't say it explicitly more than 1 or 2 times.
What Luke is doing, saying few words, nudging, nodding or humming, is a personality trait, not immaturity. And its something both of them do, Luke more so.
is it another childish ml? old in age but not in his action?
Its a Josei romance, though I don't see him as childish, he is though very blunt which he slowly grows out of, but the FL is immature and stays that way throughout. Her version of "love" is very myopic and limited, as she terms it herself that she has difficulty dealing with reality. Still the common tropes of Josei permeates everywhere in the show.
Poor Luke, he was never treated as a boyfriend, the FL was just too immature, didn't understand what real relationships entail. He got kited all over the place like a succubus's thrall. Unfortunately, she didn't mature throughout the show, while he grew leaps and bounds.
Alas, the last breakup, she was so out of bounds - yes, she just lost her best friend (didn't tell him) and promotion (too invested), but she vented on him as if he was stone and not her boyfriend. Hurt him deeply and broke his heart.
But Luke has always been a man on a mission to secure this beauty, no matter how deep she pierces his heart, he relentlessly pursues her to make her his.
No wonder it was written by a woman... it reeks of Josei romances. 8/10
It is only a good watch if you see it in full, the starting 5 or 6 episodes are very slow and the situation isn't very good so i was not able to enjoy the romance. A few highs in a sea of lows. After this things pick up and it does become interesting enough to watch the next episode.
What are you even on? How's women staying single or choosing career over a man is even a bad thing? Women aren't…
Well in your lifetime it will become potent when you are in old age, its next generations that will suffer through it. That's what puts responsibility on current generations to choose with that in mind. Be a bigger person than just the individual.
When you don't have children, your prospect of realizing it is kind of bleak.
And well writing here, is not just a conversation between us two, but maybe thousands will see it and read it. That's why I tend to explain more.
What are you even on? How's women staying single or choosing career over a man is even a bad thing? Women aren't…
Your second para, I only saw it now.
Your argument relies on a false dilemma, either a woman gets an "equal partner," or she’s stuck with someone treating her like a maid. Nobody is advocating for toxic or dynamic less marriages, but reducing traditional roles to mere servitude is a deliberate distortion.
You say if society suffers, people will simply pivot. Demographic collapse doesn't work like a business strategy where you can just pivot when things go wrong. When birth rates fall below replacement levels and family structures disintegrate, the economic, social, and cultural foundation collapses permanently. You can't "pivot" a nation out of an inverted age pyramid in one generation.
Holding personal standards isn't inherently selfish, but when an entire media apparatus systematically redefines normal human compromise and family duty as "oppression," it sets standards that are intentionally impossible to meet.
Women (and men) haven't escaped relying on others for protection and stability, they've simply outsourced that reliance from a spouse and family network to corporations and the state.
Why do you think Japan has not pivoted away, it instead has become the example. Why South Korea is going downhill regardless of such highly visible studies and stats, showing their relentless progress towards societal extinction? Majority primary schools in SK have shutdown, literally a single enrolled student is being celebrated with great fanfare.
What are you even on? How's women staying single or choosing career over a man is even a bad thing? Women aren't…
You’re missing how modern market dynamics actually work. This isn't a passive mirror reflecting organic consumer taste, nor does it require a shadowy conspiracy. It is simply manufactured demand, a highly calculated financial model.
In any mature industry, the most profitable strategy isn't waiting to see what consumers want, it’s conditioning them to want what is cheapest and most profitable to supply. By flooding the market with engineered tropes that validate pure individualism, media platforms create a self-sustaining appetite for that exact content. Audience taste isn't being reflected, it's being systematically cultivated.
The messages in most modern drama aren't accidental artistic choices. They directly align with the broader economic environment. - A culture hyper-focused on careerism and individual autonomy expands the labor supply and drives consumer spending. - Content that hits specific ideological check boxes gets preferred funding, higher ratings, and global distribution backing.
This kind of drama works because it weaponizes relatable human friction like domestic violence, abuse, burnout, bad relationships, societal pressure, and offers a surface-level, highly marketable escapist solution, abandon traditional structures, prioritize only yourself, and find liberation in the market.
It packages complex societal dynamics into simple, dopamine-driven clichés that feel empowering on the surface while serving a very specific economic reality underneath.
Entertainment doesn't just mirror culture, it constructs the market conditions that dictate culture. It leverages recycled cliches and emotional tropes to create an appetite for lifestyle choices that ultimately benefit corporate bottom lines. You don't need a conspiracy theory to explain it, you just need to follow the economics. Follow the money haha
What are you even on? How's women staying single or choosing career over a man is even a bad thing? Women aren't…
Nobody is saying women are brainless or that individual choices should be stripped away. The point isn’t to police what one person does, it’s to look at what happens when an entire culture is systematically persuaded to value one specific lifestyle over everything else.
You say, "Respect women's choice." Sure, people are free to choose. But choices have consequences, and culture actively shapes what people want to choose. When media, corporate incentives, and policy constantly message that family is a trap, marriage is archaic, and corporate employment is the ultimate form of "empowerment," that isn’t neutral. It’s progressive propaganda.
Ask yourself who benefits most when the nuclear family breaks down?
Corporations get double the labor supply, which depresses wages and ensures you spend your best, most energetic years producing value for a company that would replace you in a week if you died.
The State gets a fragmented population of isolated individuals who rely on external services rather than strong, self-sustaining family structures.
The modern framework preaches absolute individualism, "It’s my life, my choice, me, me, me." But a functional society cannot survive on pure self-indulgence.
You mentioned you don't see the correlation in the show. Media doesn't need to explicitly tell you "don't get married", to influence you. It works through normalization. When every successful character is a hyper-independent, single career person, and every traditional family dynamic is portrayed as toxic, suffocating, or outdated, it subtly shifts what a generation considers "normal" and "desirable."
No one is attacking women for having a career or making personal decisions. What is being criticized is a globalized, corporate-driven ideology that tricks young people into sacrificing long-term human connection, family, and community duty for a seat in a cubicle, all while convincing them it was their own revolutionary idea.
But the main reason why JYJ left for her higher studies was so she could work as an equal besides WSB? She didn’t…
Meh that's just typical pseudo feminist / globalist agenda, the writers enriched in the whole drama. It was wrong from the get go, doesn't make it better if they make the script again go that direction at the end.
Show was a decent watch, but that was the most underwhelming finale I’ve seen in a while. Don’t get why they…
They are not stupid. They are promoting a globalist agenda of remaining single and working. They couldn't show that they can work and have a family. The whole show only had one such couple with one kid.
All in all they successfully promoted this agenda throughout the show so much so that even the ending was not spared.
K-Drama 
8.5/10
Even the staring match in the elevator as she sees him, and he her, shows everything, how they want each other, but the girl had so cruelly destroyed him last, how can she show her vulnerable side, so she makes up the lie of a fiance. He even teases her about it in a scene where she inadvertently says that she will get a boyfriend to cook for her. So no boyfriend nor a fiance existed.
The roles were essentially reversed, now she became proud and he insecure. It was actually ironic as she termed the prior arrangement as a bad thing and wondered why they were like that but the reverse is fine with her. Perhaps it was all about her being dominant and he subservient.
Her friend group is the best example, she should have included him in it. She should have told him about how her relationship is with them. She only told him tid bits only when it became a problem.
Then at the end it was highly uncharacteristic for her to leave Lime when faced with defeat. Then throw all her vomit on him as if he is a stone to be hammered.
You see this is a Josei romance, typical tropes:
- Strong FL in a particular aspect of life, though personally, vulnerable and immature.
- Extremely handsome and brilliant ML has to take her breath away usually in a higher capacity than her.
- Be cold with bad temper and have a sharp gaze.
- Once smitten, he will be rather forceful to gain her attention.
- He will melt her guards whenever he gives her puppy dog eyes.
- Romance with heavy focus on intimate encounters.
- The ML will remain unrealistically faithful and strive for her acceptance even when she deeply hurts him.
See its a carbon copy of the genre.
All of the problems you mention revolve around her not prioritizing and including him in her life, as a boyfriend should have been.
Why would he wish her birthday, she didn't even want him to know about it, lol. He found out from her friend. Yes you can say he could have capitalized on it but if he doesn't there is no loss. It had just been 3 days into their relationship.
As for new year, its the same concept, she went with her friends again, didn't even invite him. He would have flown to her. He is unrealistically smitten with her.
He did say he likes her, explicitly I think 1 to 2 times, but it doesn't need to be said explicitly. Just saying I missed you or you are beautiful is equivalent,these has been said many times. Both of them didn't say it explicitly more than 1 or 2 times.
What Luke is doing, saying few words, nudging, nodding or humming, is a personality trait, not immaturity. And its something both of them do, Luke more so.
Her version of "love" is very myopic and limited, as she terms it herself that she has difficulty dealing with reality.
Still the common tropes of Josei permeates everywhere in the show.
Alas, the last breakup, she was so out of bounds - yes, she just lost her best friend (didn't tell him) and promotion (too invested), but she vented on him as if he was stone and not her boyfriend. Hurt him deeply and broke his heart.
But Luke has always been a man on a mission to secure this beauty, no matter how deep she pierces his heart, he relentlessly pursues her to make her his.
No wonder it was written by a woman... it reeks of Josei romances.
8/10
Not everything needs to get a conclusion or disclosure or comeuppance in a drama.
When you don't have children, your prospect of realizing it is kind of bleak.
And well writing here, is not just a conversation between us two, but maybe thousands will see it and read it. That's why I tend to explain more.
Your argument relies on a false dilemma, either a woman gets an "equal partner," or she’s stuck with someone treating her like a maid. Nobody is advocating for toxic or dynamic less marriages, but reducing traditional roles to mere servitude is a deliberate distortion.
You say if society suffers, people will simply pivot. Demographic collapse doesn't work like a business strategy where you can just pivot when things go wrong. When birth rates fall below replacement levels and family structures disintegrate, the economic, social, and cultural foundation collapses permanently. You can't "pivot" a nation out of an inverted age pyramid in one generation.
Holding personal standards isn't inherently selfish, but when an entire media apparatus systematically redefines normal human compromise and family duty as "oppression," it sets standards that are intentionally impossible to meet.
Women (and men) haven't escaped relying on others for protection and stability, they've simply outsourced that reliance from a spouse and family network to corporations and the state.
Why do you think Japan has not pivoted away, it instead has become the example. Why South Korea is going downhill regardless of such highly visible studies and stats, showing their relentless progress towards societal extinction? Majority primary schools in SK have shutdown, literally a single enrolled student is being celebrated with great fanfare.
In any mature industry, the most profitable strategy isn't waiting to see what consumers want, it’s conditioning them to want what is cheapest and most profitable to supply. By flooding the market with engineered tropes that validate pure individualism, media platforms create a self-sustaining appetite for that exact content. Audience taste isn't being reflected, it's being systematically cultivated.
The messages in most modern drama aren't accidental artistic choices. They directly align with the broader economic environment.
- A culture hyper-focused on careerism and individual autonomy expands the labor supply and drives consumer spending.
- Content that hits specific ideological check boxes gets preferred funding, higher ratings, and global distribution backing.
This kind of drama works because it weaponizes relatable human friction like domestic violence, abuse, burnout, bad relationships, societal pressure, and offers a surface-level, highly marketable escapist solution, abandon traditional structures, prioritize only yourself, and find liberation in the market.
It packages complex societal dynamics into simple, dopamine-driven clichés that feel empowering on the surface while serving a very specific economic reality underneath.
Entertainment doesn't just mirror culture, it constructs the market conditions that dictate culture. It leverages recycled cliches and emotional tropes to create an appetite for lifestyle choices that ultimately benefit corporate bottom lines. You don't need a conspiracy theory to explain it, you just need to follow the economics. Follow the money haha
You say, "Respect women's choice." Sure, people are free to choose. But choices have consequences, and culture actively shapes what people want to choose. When media, corporate incentives, and policy constantly message that family is a trap, marriage is archaic, and corporate employment is the ultimate form of "empowerment," that isn’t neutral. It’s progressive propaganda.
Ask yourself who benefits most when the nuclear family breaks down?
Corporations get double the labor supply, which depresses wages and ensures you spend your best, most energetic years producing value for a company that would replace you in a week if you died.
The State gets a fragmented population of isolated individuals who rely on external services rather than strong, self-sustaining family structures.
The modern framework preaches absolute individualism, "It’s my life, my choice, me, me, me." But a functional society cannot survive on pure self-indulgence.
You mentioned you don't see the correlation in the show. Media doesn't need to explicitly tell you "don't get married", to influence you. It works through normalization. When every successful character is a hyper-independent, single career person, and every traditional family dynamic is portrayed as toxic, suffocating, or outdated, it subtly shifts what a generation considers "normal" and "desirable."
No one is attacking women for having a career or making personal decisions. What is being criticized is a globalized, corporate-driven ideology that tricks young people into sacrificing long-term human connection, family, and community duty for a seat in a cubicle, all while convincing them it was their own revolutionary idea.
All in all they successfully promoted this agenda throughout the show so much so that even the ending was not spared.