I am half way through the series but the worst character i found is Ren Xin Zheng. He is doing so many right things…
Its totally fine to wish for a normal relationship, not every body is out to do great things nor do they have to.
The way the character of Ren is portrayed is how many older generation males behave in Asian culture. Its very normal and similarly women attitudes and norms have their differences. Chinese dramas depict Chinese culture and are made for a Chinese audience.
Still generally people like Ren are the ones who make civilizations prosper. Incite change in the literal sea of normals. The sacrifice of self ultimately happens regardless of demographics.
I don't think she was sad about the wedding, as much as the wedding and new job news enraged her because it highlighted…
Yes, that's exactly what I meant, as there was no hope in her scenario, there was no logic to carry it and thus, be sad about it.
Unless she changed herself drastically, she would not be able to achieve success. Essentially suck up to the same superior and bide her time till she achieves the position she desires and then switch to some other workplace. It demanded a different kind of strong mentality.
Such things are very common in a competitive workplace environment as is in Korea, it only gets discovered in time and demands adaptation if one's personality allows.
Perhaps I see it this way because its very often the case even in my social setting that people are undermined and their hopes are shattered one way or the other unless they adapt and struggle harder till they achieve a commanding position of power.
A workplace where everyone is good, is a miraculous idealistic place that rarely exists because of zero law enforcement. Korea is similar in this way, though law exists and is enforced, the results are drastically lenient for the rich.
Yeah, in the U.S. that first kick by her supervisor would have resulted in a criminal assault charge and a civil…
Well they do have the cultural aspect of Karoake and drinking parties, I don't think its that far from physical assault in a violent manner when anger hits.
Those dancing and drinking parties really make me throw up, how can the ladies even accept that... Its one thing to deal with corporate drama in the office, its another to even deal with it in casual life.
Well Korea is a hierarchical society but at least they are not submissive to the extent of the Japanese. I guess that invigorates the violence aspect. Whereas Japanese can be controlled by conformity and the obligation of respect and shame.
I don't think she was sad about the wedding, as much as the wedding and new job news enraged her because it highlighted…
Yes, I can agree to it to an extent.
I consider it misplaced as it should be anger, not depression or sadness. She has already gone through this once and have quit the organization, effectively abandoning any chance of success through them.
she felt sad because she saw he was having a good life even after he betrayed her .He didn't deserve to have a…
I have seen the series many times now. I still don't agree.
The problem here is that the sadness and anger that you mention has already occurred before she quit so that high point has already been endured.
It only would have made sense if she had remained in the hospital for there to be any prospect of getting influenced by his success, but she quit, essentially abandoned the line to get promoted or any further points of success in that organization.
She could have hung her head low, sucked up, and got to the position eventually someday. That scenario could have justified these bouts of extreme sadness and rage.
I strongly not recommend watching this pile of horse dung of a sequel. I couldn't believe how they ruined the drama!
Even though the main stars are as great as usual even Lee Joon Gi. When they are on screen, the show lives somewhat. I think Shin Sae was miscast here as the character Tanya is a strong, boyish, headstrong, kind as well as scheming character, not the cute, somewhat strong willed, feminine personality, she exudes.
And my GOD, how they ruined Saya!
The rush is real, hell there is no foreshadowing, no explanation, no feelings. You are forced to jump through plots in a rapid fashion as if the production team was being forced under extreme duress to complete the storyline.
Hell there are not even preludes showing change of day to night and vice versa, lol. You may jump from day to night in a snap. Large plot devices unravel many times in a single episode. its like shopping at a flea market!
Its was much like experiencing hell like GoT final season gave me. Just like how I fast forwarded that, but I guess the momentum of so many seasons did get me to the end. Here though, I just couldn't take it!
Well nobody entered it here, so what? MDL is filled by people like you and me with a good source as evidence. Its not something officially maintained. On IMDB it shows 6 episodes which is officially maintained.
If only! There is 0 nudity! I don't know which conservative society you come from and have been mistaking TV-14 romance with softcore porn.
Its more of an adult romance, her age suits such a mature theme. Its still far safer than what Koreans term as an adult romance. There you can be sure to have partial to full frontal nudity. But still its just nudity, far cry from porn.
Dissatisfied with the ending really, its one romance where I strongly detested the leads getting together.
Their mindsets are very different, the ML is completely devoted to the relationship, while the FL is erratic, and is currently in the phase/fad of proving herself as a strong independent woman.
Netflix! What can one expect, they always try to turn the tide towards these obscure topics. Making problems out of non-problems. Decades of NGO work couldn't brainwash people enough that Netflix did in a few years.
Albeit this strong woman is already cemented in reality of Koreans, as a very compromised reality. Unless you have strong backing by the elites/oligarchs/chaebols/rich (whatever label you prefer). Another decadent pseudo democratic society completely strangled by capitalism and hierarchy subservience...
Essentially FL is not relationship material till she "finds herself", which may well be quite late in her 40s. like her boss. Or maybe she will never be such and may just keep on changing men as is the norm nowadays with groups enriched with such concepts.
You have to take the MDL ratings with a grain of salt. I've seen great shows start out high and wind up with low…
I disagree, MDL rating is the only aspect that can be applied to a significant international audience, regardless of it seemingly being biased for various groups of people. It just means there are more haters or lovers who are on MDL rating it. After all the whole audience can't or will not rate on MDL.
For me, I have hundreds of dramas I can watch from all over the world. The list keeps growing, I cannot watch each drama to find out whether it is to my liking or not.
I see the rating, I have set the lower limit per country through experience and then I read some comments about romance and especially the ending not being open or sad. (English/Brazilian/Mexican/Korean >= 8, Chinese/Taiwanese/Philippine/Thai >= 8.5)
Main leads not being frustrating is rather subjective but they should not make me wish they die or get beaten up.
With this formula, I may lose watching some dramas that people like you find good, but nonetheless, I still get to watch other good dramas. There is simply too much content in the world.
I'll keep adding the banter titbits I loved in separate replies below! They became too long...
[At the cottage after an attack, ML is sitting with the FL with one eye closed.] [FL is concerned as she eyes the sling he wears to hold his (fake) broken arm] FL: Your bandage got wet! FL: Let me change it for you. [ML panics] There's no need! It's not wet! It's alright! [FL with goading tone] A wet bandage will affect your wound. Let me change it for you! [FL tries to grab the sling, ML moves back and stares at her] HAHAHA [FL tries to make sense of his action, ML continues to stare] [FL grabs and pulls on the sling] [ML cries with fake pain] ch... ah... [FL softly] Change it! [ML continues to eye her in the same pose] HAHAHA Aayyo! Ha! Here, here, here, take it, take it, take it! [ML undresses the sling himself with his arm that was supposed to be broken] HAHAHAHA [FL eyes him in silence] [ML dangles the sling in front of her face with his fake broken arm] Take it, take it! HAHAHA [FL sees the sling and then the ML] [ML after continuing to eye her in the same pose, hints at the sling with his eyes, goading her to take it] [FL tries but ML throws it towards her like a king granting a reward] HAHAHA [FL continues to eye him] [ML too eyes her with his seemingly broken arm in the air but then realizes] [ML pessimistically] Ahha! Haha! You caught me again! Ahem... [FL continues to eye him in silence] [ML childishly dillydallies with fake embarrassment] [FL continues to stare at him with a goading expression as if urging him to explain] [ML watches for awhile, hoping she will let it go but she continues to stare] Ayo! Aaha! My head! [FL's eyes show disappointment as if she expected this] HAHA It hurts! cough! I burned my head, it hurts! aa! yaa! It hurts so much! [FL cautiously but naively asks] Are you trying to fool me again by pretending to be weak? [ML while holding his head, shakes his other hand, negating] Aha! It really hurts! Hurts! [FL eyes him in silence] How can it hurt so much! [ML secretly eyes her to see her reaction but FL catches this and moves away] FL: Keep suffering, I am ignoring you! [FL sits on the other side of the table with her back towards the ML] [ML eyes her with one eye, pushes his elbow of the hand holding his head onto the table. A blissful smile forms on his face, he is happy that she chose to continue the ruse and stay with him] [FL makes cute expressions as if complaining about his childishness internally as happiness spreads on her face...]
I'll keep adding the banter titbits I loved in separate replies below! They became too long...
[ML as usual is pranking the FL in a bid to enjoy her frustration and has already messed with her once which resulted in his bathtub being thrown far away] The fallen leaves in the courtyard need to be swept. FL: Alright, I'll do it! [FL picks a nearby broom and starts to sweep] Wait a moment! FL: What is it? The thing is... Umm, I usually pick up... the leaves... in the courtyard... by hand... HAHAHAHA [FL tries making sense of his seemingly absurd request for a while, but realizes he is messing with her] [FL throws the broom far away, which actually falls into his tub somewhere on the other side of the mountains..] [ML pretends to be disturbed and hurt] Why did you throw it away again? I have nothing much left! FL: You have been sitting around doing nothing at all! FL: Are you messing with me? This time, I am not... I swear! HAHAHAHA FL: So, you were messing with me before! [ML sways his head from left to right and mumbles] Anyway... I am not this time! HAHAHAHA
I'll keep adding the banter titbits I loved in separate replies below! They became too long...
[ML after telling FL, his importance and how he can't perish or everything will end] [ML with a sad face, full of warmth and seriousness] That's why... Shen Li... I can't like you. ... mello pause ... [FL with sad eyes and tone with fake bravado] FL: Scoff, are you Joking? Henceforth I won't dare to entertain any fantasies about you! FL: Just don't flirt with me again... [ML with a straight face] But I can't control it! HAHAHAHA [FL is stunned speechless] [ML swaying happily, with a fake embarrassed, more mischievous expression] I can't help wanting to... flirt with you... FL: You... AWWW
K-Drama 
A totally nonsense plot line.
The way the character of Ren is portrayed is how many older generation males behave in Asian culture. Its very normal and similarly women attitudes and norms have their differences. Chinese dramas depict Chinese culture and are made for a Chinese audience.
Still generally people like Ren are the ones who make civilizations prosper. Incite change in the literal sea of normals. The sacrifice of self ultimately happens regardless of demographics.
Unless she changed herself drastically, she would not be able to achieve success. Essentially suck up to the same superior and bide her time till she achieves the position she desires and then switch to some other workplace. It demanded a different kind of strong mentality.
Such things are very common in a competitive workplace environment as is in Korea, it only gets discovered in time and demands adaptation if one's personality allows.
Perhaps I see it this way because its very often the case even in my social setting that people are undermined and their hopes are shattered one way or the other unless they adapt and struggle harder till they achieve a commanding position of power.
A workplace where everyone is good, is a miraculous idealistic place that rarely exists because of zero law enforcement. Korea is similar in this way, though law exists and is enforced, the results are drastically lenient for the rich.
Those dancing and drinking parties really make me throw up, how can the ladies even accept that... Its one thing to deal with corporate drama in the office, its another to even deal with it in casual life.
Well Korea is a hierarchical society but at least they are not submissive to the extent of the Japanese. I guess that invigorates the violence aspect. Whereas Japanese can be controlled by conformity and the obligation of respect and shame.
I consider it misplaced as it should be anger, not depression or sadness. She has already gone through this once and have quit the organization, effectively abandoning any chance of success through them.
The problem here is that the sadness and anger that you mention has already occurred before she quit so that high point has already been endured.
It only would have made sense if she had remained in the hospital for there to be any prospect of getting influenced by his success, but she quit, essentially abandoned the line to get promoted or any further points of success in that organization.
She could have hung her head low, sucked up, and got to the position eventually someday. That scenario could have justified these bouts of extreme sadness and rage.
Even though the main stars are as great as usual even Lee Joon Gi. When they are on screen, the show lives somewhat. I think Shin Sae was miscast here as the character Tanya is a strong, boyish, headstrong, kind as well as scheming character, not the cute, somewhat strong willed, feminine personality, she exudes.
And my GOD, how they ruined Saya!
The rush is real, hell there is no foreshadowing, no explanation, no feelings. You are forced to jump through plots in a rapid fashion as if the production team was being forced under extreme duress to complete the storyline.
Hell there are not even preludes showing change of day to night and vice versa, lol. You may jump from day to night in a snap. Large plot devices unravel many times in a single episode. its like shopping at a flea market!
Its was much like experiencing hell like GoT final season gave me. Just like how I fast forwarded that, but I guess the momentum of so many seasons did get me to the end. Here though, I just couldn't take it!
MDL is filled by people like you and me with a good source as evidence. Its not something officially maintained.
On IMDB it shows 6 episodes which is officially maintained.
Its more of an adult romance, her age suits such a mature theme. Its still far safer than what Koreans term as an adult romance. There you can be sure to have partial to full frontal nudity. But still its just nudity, far cry from porn.
Dissatisfied with the ending really, its one romance where I strongly detested the leads getting together.
Their mindsets are very different, the ML is completely devoted to the relationship, while the FL is erratic, and is currently in the phase/fad of proving herself as a strong independent woman.
Netflix! What can one expect, they always try to turn the tide towards these obscure topics. Making problems out of non-problems. Decades of NGO work couldn't brainwash people enough that Netflix did in a few years.
Albeit this strong woman is already cemented in reality of Koreans, as a very compromised reality. Unless you have strong backing by the elites/oligarchs/chaebols/rich (whatever label you prefer). Another decadent pseudo democratic society completely strangled by capitalism and hierarchy subservience...
Essentially FL is not relationship material till she "finds herself", which may well be quite late in her 40s. like her boss. Or maybe she will never be such and may just keep on changing men as is the norm nowadays with groups enriched with such concepts.
For me, I have hundreds of dramas I can watch from all over the world. The list keeps growing, I cannot watch each drama to find out whether it is to my liking or not.
I see the rating, I have set the lower limit per country through experience and then I read some comments about romance and especially the ending not being open or sad. (English/Brazilian/Mexican/Korean >= 8, Chinese/Taiwanese/Philippine/Thai >= 8.5)
Main leads not being frustrating is rather subjective but they should not make me wish they die or get beaten up.
With this formula, I may lose watching some dramas that people like you find good, but nonetheless, I still get to watch other good dramas. There is simply too much content in the world.
[FL is concerned as she eyes the sling he wears to hold his (fake) broken arm]
FL: Your bandage got wet!
FL: Let me change it for you.
[ML panics] There's no need! It's not wet! It's alright!
[FL with goading tone] A wet bandage will affect your wound. Let me change it for you!
[FL tries to grab the sling, ML moves back and stares at her] HAHAHA
[FL tries to make sense of his action, ML continues to stare]
[FL grabs and pulls on the sling]
[ML cries with fake pain] ch... ah...
[FL softly] Change it!
[ML continues to eye her in the same pose] HAHAHA
Aayyo!
Ha!
Here, here, here, take it, take it, take it!
[ML undresses the sling himself with his arm that was supposed to be broken] HAHAHAHA
[FL eyes him in silence]
[ML dangles the sling in front of her face with his fake broken arm]
Take it, take it!
HAHAHA
[FL sees the sling and then the ML]
[ML after continuing to eye her in the same pose, hints at the sling with his eyes, goading her to take it]
[FL tries but ML throws it towards her like a king granting a reward] HAHAHA
[FL continues to eye him]
[ML too eyes her with his seemingly broken arm in the air but then realizes]
[ML pessimistically]
Ahha! Haha!
You caught me again!
Ahem...
[FL continues to eye him in silence]
[ML childishly dillydallies with fake embarrassment]
[FL continues to stare at him with a goading expression as if urging him to explain]
[ML watches for awhile, hoping she will let it go but she continues to stare]
Ayo! Aaha!
My head!
[FL's eyes show disappointment as if she expected this] HAHA
It hurts! cough!
I burned my head, it hurts!
aa! yaa!
It hurts so much!
[FL cautiously but naively asks] Are you trying to fool me again by pretending to be weak?
[ML while holding his head, shakes his other hand, negating]
Aha!
It really hurts! Hurts!
[FL eyes him in silence]
How can it hurt so much!
[ML secretly eyes her to see her reaction but FL catches this and moves away]
FL: Keep suffering, I am ignoring you!
[FL sits on the other side of the table with her back towards the ML]
[ML eyes her with one eye, pushes his elbow of the hand holding his head onto the table. A blissful smile forms on his face, he is happy that she chose to continue the ruse and stay with him]
[FL makes cute expressions as if complaining about his childishness internally as happiness spreads on her face...]
The fallen leaves in the courtyard need to be swept.
FL: Alright, I'll do it!
[FL picks a nearby broom and starts to sweep]
Wait a moment!
FL: What is it?
The thing is...
Umm, I usually pick up...
the leaves...
in the courtyard...
by hand...
HAHAHAHA
[FL tries making sense of his seemingly absurd request for a while, but realizes he is messing with her]
[FL throws the broom far away, which actually falls into his tub somewhere on the other side of the mountains..]
[ML pretends to be disturbed and hurt]
Why did you throw it away again?
I have nothing much left!
FL: You have been sitting around doing nothing at all!
FL: Are you messing with me?
This time, I am not... I swear!
HAHAHAHA
FL: So, you were messing with me before!
[ML sways his head from left to right and mumbles]
Anyway... I am not this time!
HAHAHAHA
[ML with a sad face, full of warmth and seriousness]
That's why... Shen Li... I can't like you.
... mello pause ...
[FL with sad eyes and tone with fake bravado]
FL: Scoff, are you Joking? Henceforth I won't dare to entertain any fantasies about you!
FL: Just don't flirt with me again...
[ML with a straight face]
But I can't control it!
HAHAHAHA
[FL is stunned speechless]
[ML swaying happily, with a fake embarrassed, more mischievous expression]
I can't help wanting to... flirt with you...
FL: You...
AWWW