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This *is* the stereotypical idol plot, a FL always putting herself first romances where the ML is all in giving everything and the FL treats him badly for one reason or another that's like most romance dramas lately just in different scenarios.

I do agree that your mileage may vary but I disagree on them making sense, neither of them do to me at this point, as the "real person" and someone in the industry she's too stuck on the tropes and script it feels like all the "paper" people have gotten more development than her and she should've wised up earlier and as someone with such a miserable life and lack of love he should have his walls up way more, I don't think she did anything for him as LSS that would require this kind of insane blind devotion at the expense of himself.

And if she doesn't seen them as people and feels for them and falls in love then what's the point of this story? Because as we have seen they ARE real in the sense they have a person-hood and feelings etc and they are written as such as they are real and again this is mainly a romance and crafting a good love story needs both people to be in love and both people to give their all at some point or how are we supposed to root for them?

I'm not getting my "knickers in a knot" and I don't see a need to speak like this we're just having a discussion. Nor am I demanding anything, I'm speaking from my experience of watching dramas and what kind of romantic relationships I enjoy, which are equal ones where both people are putting in as much effort regardless of gender especially since one of them has spend the bulk of the show sacrificing and giving so much of themselves for the other. And even if we look at them as characters, their archetypes he's the kind who has been mistreated and love starved his entire life, his romantic relationship should be one where that's offset by the person who loves him. And as for her "being in a story" that's an even bigger problem with the writing.

The fact that we're 2/3 ds through the show and she still doesn't see them as real people is an issue, "she doesn't owe him anything " this is fiction? I didn't go into a story and neither did you, I'm not trying to imagine what I would do or what I would want, is this a love story or is it not? If it is then it demands that certain things happen, by your logic he doesn't owe her anything either, he tried to kill her, she did the same and more and yet he's still clinging to her despite everything. So he should behave one way and she should behave another, he's also a "real person" to himself and in his world.

"he's a villain" all the characters around her seem to have realized he's not and have seen his feelings for her no one is saying and she should've done the same a while ago especially since she found out he was LS, she doesn't even actually die a person wouldn't be so cruel even to a dog they found on the street. and yes I do need her to love him and give him as much as he has given her, not in a way where we're calculating their actions but in a way that this is how a good romance is supposed to be 2 individuals who love each other just as much.

Which is just so sad she showed him the smallest amount of kindness and he's so messed up he's taking constant endless abuse and coming back for more that's not love that's just insanity, no relationship should be like this. If she isn't going to wise up and treat him with the same devotion and sincerity in the next episodes then they should just go their separate ways I know they won't though...

No one is asking her to swoon but to use her brain a little and let go of her prejudices which she seems to pick and choose when to do so (her sister can change but NH can't she's going to die but not really) . He's put himself through the ringer for her and sacrificed for her so many times while she was actively trying to kill him and ruin him now so my question is now that "love is blooming" as you put it will she do the same? Or do we want female characters to be badass and not idiots in so far as self preservation but when it comes to love they should always a lot less than for their love interests.

No I respect that we all have different opinions, I like having discussions with people who feel differently than me. At the end of the day it's all fiction for entertainment.
I just hope that we do see her be really devoted to him in the future not only to offset the hurt she's been putting him though while he has put her first always but because he's the kind of character who has never experienced unconditional love despite giving it so many times and for me to be able to root for a ship especially one where one half has led such a miserable love starved life and their love interest has been adding to it I need SYM to display the same amount of love and sacrifice he has if not more given the kind of characters they are and their backstories.

That's just speculation, her refusal to see other POVs and change her mind says nothing about how she's going to act later. I very much highly doubt with the way the writer has been crafting the story so far that she will reciprocate his devotion equally or even close to it but I guess we'll see.

I get what you're saying it's about emotions and logic, I was with her until like ep 18 but atp she really doesn't need to be this cruel especially because both of their behavior doesn't make sense.
She wants to survive but survive from what? She doesn't actually die, she sees her sister is different but doesn't accept he could be too and he's so love starved and been treated so horribly his whole life yet he's holding on to her and letting her do whatever she wants to him and begging for more which doesn't really click with who he is and their relationship why is he so hung up on her?
And my BIGGEST point is is she going to reciprocate now? Is she going to be as devoted and sacrificial towards him as he has her or is it going to be "my bad oops" and him yet again being in a relationship where he's giving his all and getting nothing in return.

I mean by his actions not the fact that she knows about it. I'm saying are we going to see her do the same in the future when she finds out everything and really falls in love? As in the idea that him suffering for her and protecting her while she tries to kill him is him making up for what he did, is it going to be the same thing for her in the next episodes.

The thing is he's made up for all of that a 100 times over and more so AND it happened before they knew each other and were in love, she's treating him like human scum and he's still going above and beyond to help her and save her even when it costs him so much. He literally knows she's trying to kill him and is getting flogged for her and giving us his military powers.

What is she doing? She can understand that her sister is different but doesn't give him the benefit of the doubt, she's afraid he might kill her and??? It doesn't even make sense because if she dies she re-spawns so why is she acting like it's a real death and given the way cdramas operate in general and the way the writing is going, everyone is saying him doing all of this is him making up for trying to kill her, are we also going to see her do the same? Get tortured and almost die and give up so much for him and save him at the cost of herself 10 times ? It seems there is a set of rules for him and another one for her.

It also does not make sense why he cares about her so much to the point where he's letting her walk all over him, she hasn't done anything to warrant that kind of devotion, his friend is a million times more devoted to him than she is.

I like a good slow burn but by that do you mean both of them or just the ML thinking she's dead and realizing he loves her or is it the FL as well? And the spoilers you mentioned stumbling upon, are they from the novel or the drama?

Oh I'm curious could you share the spoilers, the trailers don't really have much romance, except for the scene where she runs and hugs him.

Not so far but I suggest you wait because this has all the markings that it's going to go that way.

How's this one? Family kdramas have been so disappointing the last few years, the great ones like my father is strange, once again only come once every few years if that.

That sounds promising, I remember reading a comment here from someone who read the novel that he falls but she's only manipulating him, doesn't have time or care for love and is keeping some big secret that changes everything.

Please give me schemer x schemer, fox x wolf, badass x badass who start trying to one up each other and slowly but surely fall madly in love instead of ML who becomes a fool a few episodes in because he's in love and a FL who doesn't really reciprocate his feelings until the end and never with the same intensity (this kind of set up is getting really boring).

Thanks for the info, is there actually confirmation from an official production source that this is true or is it just rumors from weibo?

Thank you vm although I realize now why I didn't remember it, because it's not the ML saying it , it's his subordinate saying it to him, if you pay attention to the scene/voice and what says is "I was written to protect you" which doesn't make sense if it was ML to FL bc she's that's not the ML's dynamic with her original character.

Could you please link the trailer because I've seen multiple but I haven't come across this scene?

Yeah they're obsessed with this kind of dynamic and idk why either but people seem to love it mostly? Most comments seem to only want loser in love simp MLs instead of balanced healthy couples. Just this year we had first frost, best thing, perfect match, si jin, filter, everlasting longing, eat run love and so many others that were like this.
I would wait until the drama is over but that might be a while so if you can separate the 2 there's nothing wrong with finishing it. I try not to read any because they're always so different even if the novel is good the drama is nothing like it.

Oh I really doubt they will change it for the drama, in fact I think they might make it worse. Even novels which had equal relationships get turned into this kind of couple where the ml is doing all the work and the fl doesn't care let alone one that already has that in the novel. and they love their smls who are always there for the fls while sfls are almost never present even if they are ml barely gives them 5 seconds of attention. It's exhausting but besides a few rare modern dramas like you are my glory and hidden love 90% of them are like this.