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Nooo I was so excited after seeing the reuters and reading the synopsis, I thought finally a FL who is smitten but you're telling me it's yet again another one where the ML is a simp and it's not an equal relationship...

The level of annoyance I feel whenever Jun Mo is on the screen is unparalleled, every single time he opens his mouth I want to reach through and slap him into oblivion.

Yup that's the way it almost always is, ML is the one who suffers and sacrifices, there are some exceptions like LBFAD, Love of divine tree, blossoming love where the sacrifice feels more or less equal or at least the FL is sacrificing something, something where the FL sacrifices more is non existent to my knowledge it's either ML doing 90% or at best 55-45 lol.

Umm if she's already tortured and murdered him when from his pov he hasn't done anything the awful stuff he's doing isn't great but makes sense I'm not saying her behavior doesn't make sense (if we find out there's a very good reason) but like I said there's a 90% chance it's a misunderstanding and him still accepting everything even knowing who she is and letting her go on with her plans to kill him is already a looot. There's a huge difference in btw what she's doing and what he's doing... And I don't really like the term "red flag" because the way it's being used has completely striped it of all meaning.

If it was both treating each other badly for whatever reason that would make sense but him helping her ruin his life for reasons he doesn't know after she repeatedly killed and abused him is not my definition of "they're both not entirely in the wrong or in the right" but to each their own.

But that wasn't even my point, I'm saying all the swooning over the ML being okay with her doing so much horrible sh*t to him for no reason as far as he knows would not be happening if the roles were reversed I've seen dramas where the ML does 1% of what the FL is doing here even before they fall in love and for good reason and everyone wants him dead and her away from him.

Plus based on spoilers and what we've seen in countless dramas before, we'll see he's always loved her and was trying to protect her and did so much for her even when she finds out it was all a misunderstanding they'll just gloss over all the stuff she did whereas again if it was the other way around as he'd be begging and grovelling and almost dying for her for 10 episodes so that she'd forgive him. Okay that was a lot of words my ultimate point here is the double standards in which both dramas and us watching them quantify things when it comes to romance depending on whether it's a FL or ML doing them.

I'm enjoying the drama but also finding the difference in what's considered romantic depending if it's the FL or ML doing it very interesting. If it was a FL was getting treated like ML is here everyone would be hating him and wishing she would get some self respect or get together with SML but since it's the ML getting tortured and killed it's seen as swoon-worthy that he accepts everything (when from his pov he doesn't even know the reason and is behaving like he hasn't actually wronged her so it's most likely a misunderstanding) because he's in love.

Is it devotion or just insanity? If a FL was taking all sorts of torture from the ML in multiple lives and accepting everything for reasons she doesn't even know the reaction would be to hate the ML and tell the FL to get some self respect.

You're right that's usually the case for a lot of xianxia but not all, this seems like it won't follow that trend, from his side sure but from her? Nah. It seems all she wants to do is torture and kill him (it's obviously because of misunderstanding) vs him when even if he doesn't know why and she's torturing him and causing him so much pain he still loves her and would do anything for her.

Yeah I know they did at her restaurant, it is a plot hole and it really bothered me as well but I just glossed over it because there is a possibility that she just didn't find her given the time and the circumstances...

Yeah this was something that confused me too, she said that she didn't remember her mom's restaurant's name or where it was and this was 30 years ago (20 years ago is when her mother died ) and the show is set in 2023 so it would be around 1993 there's no social media etc, her mom was a poor woman so there would've been no TV coverage to find her etc and there was also that comment from the man I na found who said he was finding kids because the government was doing nothing.
You're right she could've gone around orphanages looking for her or went back to the amusement park??? It doesn't make sense but you can chalk it up to no one cared and they thought she was abandoned so no one thought to take her to the park to see if her mother was there (another thing is couldn't the mother have paid for a poster to be hung up at the park in case she came back) and once she was old enough to go back by herself (17yo) her mother was already dead.

I'm not disappointed that's your opinion and you're welcome to it, as I am to mine that's she not. Clearly we've watched very different final episodes... Psychopaths don't feel remorse so her not standing herself is in direct opposition of what you're saying plus they've made it clear she only killed people whom she thought deserved it, I na tells her multiple times why didn't you kill me? And she tells her it wasn't her fault she didn't do anything wrong which again contradicts your view of her killing whomever but I digress.

She's not a psychopath though? She genuinely felt remorse for what she did despite thinking she had to do it so much so that she killed herself she literally said she couldn't stand herself anymore. She stood outside the funeral home where the body of the detective who protected her was for 30 minutes in the rain but couldn't go in, what did you think that was for? Compare that to the people who caused her mother's death and so many others misfortunes and never even remembered their names, psychopathy is not a set classification even less so in its depiction in fiction...

Seung Ju's death broke my heart. The fact that these people caused , covered up someone's death and then made her the perpetrator for no other reason than greed? Absolutely vile. What's worse is NONE of them remembered her mom or what they did. She was nothing to them, not even worth knowing her name...

The serial killer even though she was avenging her mom's death was so disgusted with herself that she set herself on fire to die the same way her mother did, she lived her life as a ghost with no friends or connections just emptiness and unimaginable grief. The "victims"? They were happily living their lives built on the blood and bones of so many people.

Her mother surely wasn't the only victim, she was the one who died at that time but what about the other people? The ones who lost their livelihoods and businesses and got nothing for it? The ones who got injured in that fire? The ones who could no longer provide for their families? Or pay medical bills if their kid got sick ? The ones who might have killed themselves because they had no way other left? There must've been so many people who suffered as a consequence of that redevelopment and to think that one cared and no one remembered is the saddest thing of all.

I loved Falling into you, the FL really sold it you really believed she was in love with him and it wasn't just the acting it was the writing too, unlike most cdramas they truly made as much effort and put as much work and care into the relationship as each other instead of it being just the ML.

I would love to read that list, I'm getting so tired of the same rinse and repeat of wholly devoted MLs and FLs who 90% of the time do not reciprocate. It's so rare to find a FL who loves more or like you said even equally, there aren't that many the only ones I can think of right now are love between fairy and devil, road home, you are my glory, hidden love, fake it till you make it, wanna be and falling into you.

I just realized something, why does Han saem's mother live at the one city? That place is the crux of the mystery and it's very interesting that his mom lives there, it seems like she doesn't work, he's not rich, he said his father was a small time actor so where did they get the money for such an expensive place? It would make no sense that he's involved but also there has to be some sort of relevance to this.

Yeah that was also weird, the way she acted with the guy psychologist in this episode makes me think she very much suspects it's him but like you said it's strange that she didn't look into her parents connection into one city when that should've been a priority. All things considered they're not glaring plotholes because I've seen soooo much worse and this is generally well written, let's just hope the last 2 episodes give satisfying and logical answers as well as satisfying endings for the characters.

Do we think the killer deliberately killed the 1st two people knowing I na would be there or close? It can't be a coincidence that she was present at both deaths. I really think there's a link between them, as in they knew each other as children . The killer is committing these murders because he's getting revenge for something they did to children including him, the man who died on the boat mentioned her parents and one city and we know the entire case is related to it so maybe something happened to all these children and I na doesn't remember but the killer does and he's trying to make her remember as well as expose the wrong doing of these people.

One thing that didn't make sense and I think the writer only did it to make it possible for the events in that field to take place, is them not having more than one person on that stakeout of the detective's house.

Usually surveillance is done by 2 people and especially in the case of something this important? That should've been the bare minimum. Not to mention even if they were going to send one person why was it the least experienced and the one who has already made mistakes? The person they're watching is a very experienced talented detective whom they know is aware they're tailing him.

It's not something huge but it kind of bothered me and took me out of the story for a bit.

I truly love Manman, she's such a great person and has so much weight on her shoulders, she loves her family because she grew up loved and cherished, she loves her people because she's a good person and understands her responsibilities, she loves WS because she understands who he is and sees how he's treated her. It's logical for her to love each of them as much as the other especially considering the person we know her to be. I completely understand her as I'm someone who puts my family and my goals above romantic love, she's not doing anything wrong.

But this is fiction so I also can't help but feel sorrowful for Wei Shao, it's so clear from his actions and words that he loves MM more than anything and I wish there was one person who loved him unconditionally and above all else. Not for any other reason than because he deserves it, the people he's lost, the trauma he's endured, the childhood he's had,the way he acts when people wrong him (his mom, his cousin, his wife) where he's always the 1st one to extend his hand.

Manman has had to deal with the weight of her family since she got married but he's carried his entire clan and their future and hatred since he was a child for more than a decade. He feels so worthless because he thinks he's replacing his brother and because he's been abandoned (not by choice) by the people he loves the most; so much so he'll forgive anything and even say it's his fault because he fears that they'll leave him, that he's not good enough, because he thinks they can't possibly love him as much as he loves them and sadly in a way he's right.

They did, they said this person wanted to send a message, the 1st kill was ruled a suicide and they didn't even notice the puzzle piece, the 2nd kill which was a few months after (her uncle) was thought to be an isolated incident and the main suspect was his niece. In ep 9 the way the killer contacted the media and the way he's leaving the puzzles makes it seem like he has a story to tell. Although idk what exactly made him start up at this exact time again it seems to have something to do with I na since starting from his 3rd kill when he began killing again he started sending her puzzle pieces so something must've changed. I'm sure they'll address it in the last 2 episodes.