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Oh in the novel he didn't use up any life because he still had all 9 heads in the later part of the story.

Thanks for sharing with me.

Oh in the novel he didn't use up any life because he still had all 9 heads in the later part of the story.

Thanks for sharing with me.

Its fine... its not really either of our 'jobs' to convince each other of the how the story goes?
Let the actors convince us...Maybe after S2 finished airing and you still have questions, maybe we can look into this again. Right now I can't really answer you because the novel and the drama will actually be in two different branches of reality and I am tired of replying everything but hiding in the spoiler tag. When S2 finishes airing, I will tell you about yaojing's epic love story as much as you are curious about it, with all my stacks of evidence and quotes from novel and the leaked script.
Peace.

May I join in the game too?

Fav character(s): Xiao Yao and Tushan Jing
My ship: YaoJing
Guy I would choose irl: Tushan Jing - rich, talented, great chef, great lover, but will he want me? I can go for Lirong Chang, he seems like a loyal fellow and plenty of fun to be around. Puppy boys can't go wrong right?
Character that rubbed off on me: A Nian
Character I feel the most sorry for: Heng and Chichen ( boy I cried hard at their chapter )
Characters I would slap if I see them: Cangxuan- I need to slap him for Xiaoyao.
Complex character that had my attention: Xiaoyao, Tushan Jing, Xiangliu

XL's foster dad is a general so he could still come from some kind of powerful bg... So make his foster father the police chief and he is sworn to protect his neighbourhood lol

Thanks this game was fun!
How did I get Xiaoyao though, I chose MONEY as my weapon of choice... LOL

Please allow me to share what I noticed:

Jing is the first man to enter Xiaoyao's bedroom if that is what turns you on.
She was talking to him and wouldn't let him leave, and in the novel Jing gently pushed her on the bed and let her hold onto his hair while she continued talking until she fell asleep.
He then cut off his hair so that he won't wake her when he left.

I thought the first man Xiaoyao is open about her feelings with was Ye Shiqi. She told her life story to him first after he saved her from Xiangliu's camp after she got lashes on his back.

"First man to give up his one life to save her (not to die with her)"
Okay please check this because its misinformation that Xiangliu gave Xiaoyao a life to revive her during the 37 years. @AH

The closer the countdown gets the more unbearable the wait becomes!!

That is yet another tired discussion brought up again and again.
Didn't one of your yaoliu fans say decades is nothing to deities?
Isn't it clear that Xiaoyao wanted to finish working on her medical project first before embarking on the next stage of her happily wedded life, and Jing was patient enough to give her all the time she needed?

There are you convinced? I don't think so.

Thanks sooo much!! You are so kind...I just love to talk about LYF but this place was a bit intimidating at first... I hope more fans can talk about other characters too!

You are the one accusing what I write as misinformation CONSTANTLY.

And all you have is that couple bug to prove your 'true love' that does not really exist. You are missing the whole point of the story.

'True love' is not some magical intangible emotion.
You need both parties to step forward together, in the same direction.

Xiaoyao and Xiangliu they can't go in the same direction. Xiangliu may love Xiaoyao in his own way, but is it 'true love' when he keeps choosing to hurt her with every decision he makes? I hope when I watch S2 I can understand why he chose to completely delete himself and not even let her remember him as a friend. For now I am considering its as his demon's pride. But it was a selfish move on his part, because in any kind of relationship, I dislike it when one party decides what is better for another person and not let the person to make a choice about the matter on their own. There is no basic respect there.

TH emphasizes that a companion on life's path, to be there for each other, so they can rely on and help each other along the way. She never said that cannot come with true love. What I can see is, TH loves her Xiaoyao and gave her the very best Dahuang had to offer.

Seriously could you please leave me alone?
You talk to me so much I feel quite bad to ignore you, but I really don't think our discussions are getting anywhere at all.
I don't think you are feeling great talking to me either. Do something you can enjoy instead of typing at me? I am here to discuss with other fans who are open to discussion, not here to 'rile others up'.

Which was why Tonghua brought them back, it was just her way to write her characters so she could show their love had impact on each other? I don't think Xiaoyao nor Jing set out their life mission to be dead. They wanted to be with their loves, in death. No need for the couple bug to kill them. That feeling comes from their own motivation.

Why are you repeating to me about how bad CX's mother's death was?
I get that. Cangxuan will also repeat that in the story himself. He was really scarred by what his mother did.
Anyway I am not the one who said I didn't like it but wrote it into my story anyway? Don't take it out on me.

As far as I can tell, TH linked Xiangliu to Xiaoyao with the couple bug, not only as a way to add different levels to her characters' relationships, but as her way to be able to 'kill' Xiaoyao as many times as she needed.
In xianxia writing, most lead characters will die a few times. But in LYF, she doesn't use the reincarnation trope, so she had to add some extra lives for Xiaoyao somehow.

What am I really twisting the couple bug into? I am pointing out to you what other people can see it as. The bugs is not absolute, and the way you cling onto it but refuse to see beyond what had been obviously written and acted out in the drama, is a loss to yourself since you cannot fully appreciate the intricacies of what TH has given us.

Alright, in that case here's is an actual quote from Tonghua's interview, where she directly referred to Tushan Jing as Xiaoyao's 恋人 love/lover when asked about the difficulties faced when adapting LYF into a drama.

https://wapbaike.baidu.com/tashuo/browse/content?id=d00ea92e4778db13cf980119

桐华:《长相思》可以改编成影视作品,但改编难度蛮大,因为这个故事的架构有点特别。从故事架构的角度来说,男一是玱玹,是故事的戏剧核心,但作为一个言情故事,女主小夭的恋人是涂山璟,回到架构来说,也就是女一不和男一谈恋爱,这对改编剧本有难度。

Why are you so upset that Xiaoyao's 'companion in life' happens to also be her true love? Xiaoyao suffered alot in life, she deserves every bit of happiness she got. TH's msg is, you will reap what you sow. Dare to take the first step towards happiness.

I am sorry I did not mean to use the slave and master in that way for Xiangliu. But Xiangliu did surrender his freedom to Hongjiang - to me, he willingly put on those shackles of 'loyalty'.

Perhaps some don't like to refer to family as shackles but in the story, I find everyone's family who are dragging them down from who they really want to be and what they really want to do in their lives, as ball and chain.

I did refer to Xiangliu treating Hong jiang as his family in another post, where I asked why people penalized Jing for doing his best for his own family, but excused every other character for being loyal to their own.
When Jing did his best to respect and consider the reputation for a woman his grandmother had taken in as 'family', when he does not even know or care for her personally, he became 'spineless' and 'weak'.

Its funny how you should mention double standard, considering how you have painted TSJ as some insidious 'fake gentleman' after 'deep analysis' for five months.

Thank you for sharing this interview with me! I am not familiar with 雪山飞狐.

However, you do notice that even though TH said she did not accept the suicide in the Flying Snow Fox story, but she did make TSJ follow Xiaoyao in death and also Xiaoyao to follow Jing in death when she accepted her first assassination attempt without putting up a fight.
The second time XY tried to die again, I would have to say, Cangxuan drove her to that death. TH had no issues using that trope as a way to show 'true love' in her own story.

In Tonghua's other interview, she clearly said that even though all her characters experienced lovesickness in the story, ultimately Lost You Forever was for Cangxuan. "桐华解说，说是长相思是玱玹对小夭永远的思念，因为永远得不到。"
She did not say Xiaoyao too, because XY eventually found her 长相守。

I don't know why many here is so bent on forcing their wish on Xiaoyao, who is definitely not her mother, and hoping she would either end up alone or expecting her to suffer for the rest of her life, pining for a 'lost love' when she actually came to terms with XL's eventual death really quickly compared to how she had pined for TSJ.

Was TH's writing really not clear enough? I thought TH showing the three different kinds of relationships for XY was really clear and even synopsis for LYF mentioned this everywhere : familial love, romantic love, friendship - 亲情，爱情，友情... The LYF S2 script made a note of this as well.

I do suggest that for the fans who enjoy a very tragic love story, they should read TH's other novel 曾许诺, the prequel to LYF. Now this is a story about star-crossed lovers.

Who knows, if LYF S2 continues to be a big hit, production companies may consider to shoot the prequel as well, and maybe that will really hit the spot for fans who enjoy such themes.

Also when you said Tushan Jing had no character growth, when he literally started in the beginning of the story, as the only deity in LYF who saw that life was more than just power, wealth, fame, glory or revenge.

He did decide life was about loving and watching over another, because he became one lovesick fool and was solely interested in chasing the apple of his eye, Xiaoyao.

"The greatest thing
You'll ever learn
Is just to love
And be loved in return"

In her writing and the drama, TH has made sure to show that Xiaoyao started her journey with one set of conditions but Xiaoyao kept changing her conditions along the way, and it was only for one person, Tushan Jing. She said she would never wait for anyone, but she was willing to wait for him. Cangxuan noted this in S1.

You said you have read the novel so you should know, Xiaoyao chose Jing even after he was 'gone'. If she continued to be as co-dependent as some suggested, her next goal will be to secure another target to rely on, but this time, she decided she will not.
Later, for someone who had always been a survivor in life, she was ready to die because she couldn't live with what her brother did to Jing. Cangxuan literally killed her with his actions. And after she was brought back to life, she was ready to be lonely until the end of her life, just to remember Jing. TH let Xiaoyao suffer this loss, so she can look into her own heart, and know what love truly is.
Her love story is not smooth sailing, but TH took pains to write in parts to let both of them see how much they mean to each other. Otherwise Jing would never know how much Xiaoyao loves him too.

It was only because TH loves Xiaoyao, so she gave her her a happy ending - everything her heart's desire. Why should the emotional scars all the characters have discount the true love she found in the end?

I never said Xiaoyao had no feelings for Xiangliu. He is just not her 'true love' because neither of them fought for their relationship. Neither of them will cross that line. So their relationship remains an ambiguous friendship.

Tonghua has emphasized many times in the drama, that in all relationships, not just romance, people need to take that step towards each other for it to work. Xiaoyao told Xiangliu that she was willing to take the first step towards her sister so that her father and Cangxuan could be happy. Later on, she finally found her courage to take her own steps and fight for her own happiness.

However, during Xiaoyao's breakup period, Xiangliu's role became more like a rebound guy. From his persepective, I think he understood as well. So he chose not to leave with her, since at that point of time, she was vulnerable and only looking for a way to escape her circumstances instead of really fighting for her own future.

In the drama I have not seen Xiaoyao looking flustered or shy when she was in close proximity with Fangfeng Bei. She also did not allow him to pass the usual male-female skinship boundaries like taking blood from her neck again, because she considered herself 'taken'. Even as she was drowning, she still thought about Jing and considered if she should keep her lips away from another man. I don't know about you, but if I was drowning, I don't think I have so much time to think about an ex ...

LYF should air completely on Tencent before Olympics start on July 26.
That is 'drama ratings killer' because the entire nation will just talk about one thing only. If Tencent is smart and wants to at least have a short buzz period after the drama ends, they would end the drama few days before Olympics start otherwise all the hot search will be about the games.

One line from Xiaoyao could have 'saved' Fangfeng Bei's life.
But he was allowed to die by both XL and Xiaoyao. I found that moment really, really sad.