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I thought he meant F4, Boys Over Flowers, though I don't see the connection myself.

They'll never do it. If they do, this show deserves an award for being the best BL ever made, and the most innovative in history.

This History is really different. The whole overexaggerated acting, and the melodrama - it's like someone was saying below - it's Taiwanese romcom from the 2000's [I'm not familiar with that, but I can see what people are talking about]. It's not like the old History's in tone and feel.

I think He Bo Wei's character has settled down a little bit and is more bearable. He was really too over the top before, and now he's just normal OTT. I had to FF through his scenes for a while. I was enjoying the story even from episode 1 but it's now settled into a groove that I think is more palatable for everyone. I really like the romance of both couples, and there is definitely some chemistry there. I really like the romance of the second couple which I find really pure and innocent - even more fantasy-like than your normal BL, but also more realistic because they both were orphans, and are being harassed viciously by the staff. Somehow the main couple has become more plausible, and I like both guys goofy attempts to attract each other. There seems to be a more natural flow to the scenes, and I think the show's on a positive trajectory. I'm looking forward to seeing how this one ends [hopefully not a tragedy - we don't need another one].

I thought Palm's dad and Neung's mom were dead. Somehow, I believe they were teleported to safety by friendly space aliens, and Palm's dad even has time to make a phone call to Palm's mom to explain things - BTW, make sure he's keeping up on his Chinese [coughing blood], I heard it's not good. Meanwhile Neung is busy impressing his underground boyfriend eating spicy food thinking to himself, "Damn my mouth is on fire, I think my tongue melted, I hope Mom's not dead, but Palm better be f*ckin' impressed. And I didn't like that fake kiss he gave me - it wasn't deep or long enough or sloppy enough for me to believe it was real. He better give me something more tonight. On second thought, I'm just going to play mind games with him, and pretend I don't like him at all. Yeah, I prefer playing dumb games - that's just me."

There are a lot of plot holes in this series, but I'm willing to overlook them. Episode 6 was very good in most ways. There really is some brilliant cinematography, and the music was some of the best of any series. P'Jojo is one of the best in picking an excellent music score, and does a lot more Western songs than most any other Thai director. Fortunately this episode was more focused on the romance between the mains, than on any complicated plot twists, and felt really light and refreshing after all that drama last episode. You'll really enjoy it if you can suspend some disbelief.

What the heck is Mollie doing? I don't like experimenting with your sexuality while throwing your partner under the bus. I think she was a shallow dimwit when she was young, but she does seem a lot more mature 10 years later. I'm going by intuition here, but I think she must have grown a lot as a person in those years, and she wouldn't do anything like that to a girlfriend she had in the present. I like her character now, and she seems to have a strong ethical foundation because she's taking on that fat shaming cinematographer, and trying to be a role model for other women. A lot of people were a lot shallower, and a lot less ethical when they were in high school, and I like how they portray that here. Mollie is really a likeable person now, and I like how they're being realistic, and showing how that's more of a process with a lot of people, than something that should be taken for granted, or that some people can change for the better over time.

There really are few people who forget what happened the night before when they get drunk. I've always hated this tv trope, but now it is being used to cover up something terrible Alex did, and it is just as bad as if he raped someone while sober. It would be like Alex killing a baby and forgetting about it the next morning - don't worry about it, he was drunk. I also have no problem with consensual sex while people are drunk, because a huge number of people have gotten drunk and then had perfectly clean, healthy sex afterwards. I just have a problem with someone getting drunk, raping someone and just forgetting about it the next day. That is not acceptable, but it does happen. I think they were at least trying to make it a little bit of a grey area here because Jean was initially into it, but then she wasn't and Alex wouldn't stop - I question that the alcohol is the culprit. I think Alex was aware enough but he was in a euphoric state and didn't want to stop. It was a choice he made, even if he was egged on by the alcohol. He shouldn't be excused the next day - he should go through a day of being very guilty and then ask Jean for forgiveness. He shouldn't be "partying it up" and becoming Mr. Popular the next day at school. No, a normal person would not have forgotten what they did the previous night, and while he is sober he should have reflected on how he did something terrible the night before. I can see why Jean has such a hard time, even years afterwards, because Alex can't even remember what the hell he did. It's really such unnecessary suffering because they should have some moment where they discussed his rape, and resolve the mess that he created. Because he forgot everything, supposedly, there's this impenetrable roadblock, but I guess they needed that to move the drama forward - Alex is not supposed to be forgiven or talk about this till ten years later. It's kind of an unethical, and callous way to approach this story, and I hope rape is treated like rape in Thai series in the future.

This plot has taken an unfortunate nosedive this episode. There is no way Team would or should think that Win is just a fuckbuddy after he drives in the pouring rain, virtually risking his life, to come to his rescue while he's laying like a corpse by the graveside of his dead friend. The parents are already ready for you to announce your wedding date. I think the rest of the series was all believable. We did not need a break-up this episode with a phony miscommunication trope. All Win had to do was say, "Are you out of your mind Team? Why would you think we haven't gotten any further since then? I want you to be my boyfriend and just shut up already." Just open your mouth - it's easy. What's with the tears? Like you feel sad your jaw can't move so you can't say the words you want to say. I don't get it. I just hope they get beyond this next episode. We deserve Win and Team being a couple for more than one episode.

Another amazing episode. They really can't go wrong after this. I thought in this episode the miscommunication trope was going to rear its ugly head again, but it was really a play on it, rather than the real thing. They really understand they like each other, but Gunn is being a responsible leader of his club by not breaking the rule about dating. It's a stupid rule, and they're going to try to get rid of it next epidsode, but I like we're not moving backwards into an underground relationship. This series has to be lauded for being a great musical, even by the standards of western dramas - every song has been really good and appropriate to each episode. That's really a remarkable feat. I think the pacing is always good in this series. They just seem to get the interactions right, and never bore you with filler, or empty dialogue. It's a series that shows you how it's supposed to be done.

I can agree with most of this but he shouldn't have outed Neungdiao in the process. His action was not just self-defense. There wasn't much time to think about it, for sure, but Ben is good at lying, and he could have just said the picture was doctored, or it was a game/dare [borrowing that from another poster below], etc. He was the one who initiated the kiss, and he really should be smarter about doing something like that in a near public setting where he could easily be outed.

Yep, I think it dispels those ideas. My reaction has always been that he seems pretty kind. It also says he's pretty shy, so I don't think he would go for outing his lover in front of the whole school.

Here is a little behind the scenes video. There are just a few spoilers on here of some future scenes with Chopper, but really nothing major. P'Jojo explains his challenges doing action sequences - things that many were questioning on here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z-deQxNYWM&ab_channel=GMMTVOFFICIAL%E2%80%8B%E2%80%8B

This made me laugh :https://www.youtube.com/shorts/j1ez631PyVs

You're still here, lol. I don't normally watch tragedies at all. My partner died of HIV several years ago, and it takes a lot for me to watch these kind of shows. I just felt like I was watching something special and didn't want to miss out on it. I felt really glad that I did, and will always remember this show as one of the best examples of a tragedy that is actually fulfilling, expressing a love of life rather than a dark reflection of death's erasure of all that life's moments of happiness.

BTW I think you'll enjoy his other works, including Ok Bangkok, Warp Effect, and Friendzone. Check them out, and maybe you'll have a better appreciation of what he's about. I think he's one of the most interesting directors out there. He's one of the only BL directors that does action dramas so he's probably the best choice for this series, but I agree with you on some of these scenes - I think they could have been better. You're not always playing your A-game, but I like this show despite the flaws. I think this director will impress you, overall, if you check out his other works.

He has done several including 3 Will Be Free, and the Player, both with a lot of action sequences. I'll have to check out the action sequences you are talking about again. I thought the fight in the locker room was off, but every good director has his off day.

Like I said that would be a few seconds. Also, does a motorbike necessarily have to carry killers on it that they would instantly assume that? To me it is easily within the realm of cinematic plausibility. P'Jojo is a pretty seasoned director, but you are entitled to your opinion.

Tanya's driver is shot, and a split second later she's shot and it's not humanly possible for Palm's father to have prevented that. I would suggest people watch this clip here: https://youtu.be/qdk6pqlXo4E?t=115

He's telling Neung to get down because he can at least protect him and is trying to shield him. Tanya is not possible to save. It's not cowardly, and shows he doesn't have bad intentions like many suggest on here. I think all he's trying to do is protect the only family member left, and he's trying to do it while sacrificing his life. Now, he might be very clever and doing this as a feint, but why not help them just get rid of the whole family right then?

I know some people are saying this guy is a terrible bodyguard but I don't think he could have done much else. He's also not in charge of security - that was Tanya's job, probably. I really couldn't hear the motorcycle making that much noise as it approached so that wouldn't have been much help either. It looks like a small motorcycle with a small motor that wasn't that loud and it approached too quickly for any noise it made to be detected except in a few split seconds.

But maybe he didn't have to implicate Neungdiao, thus outing him. He could have said something like the photo was doctored, or something along those lines. I know it's a tough call, like the lie has to be believable, but I thought he could have done a little more. What he did was not totally harmless self-defense.

Every episode is excellent, and really far more mature than most any other Thai show. Some of this feels like a Western coming of age series with the focus on sex. I like the focus on fat shaming this episode. It was really done effectively, and the cinematographer did a great job being the totally cynical, abusive asshole. This really captures the mentality of a fat shamer as well as I've seen it anywhere. Mollie's a great character. She's just on the verge of self-hatred of her body and that guy just pushed her over the edge, and I like how they portrayed that. This drama really captures the real world trauma people like Mollie experience. I think the same could be said for Ew. I'm not into his BDSM fantasy world, but if that is what gets you aroused, then your partner should accommodate it in some way. I'm not sure how obsessed he is with it, and how much his partner will be willing to role-play for him, but there has to be some compromise somewhere or these two should just split up. I think they're capturing the tension of this pretty well. I remember how P'Jojo was doing something similar, in a way, with a gay throuple in OK Bangkok, where there was some tension with the different members about how they accepted the relationship. This show is really doing a good job exploring these gray areas, and these complex sexual questions, but in a fun and engaging way. Really a very well done show that's entertaining while being thought provoking.

I'll have to check it out. I've never heard of that one for some reason. Sounds great.