Astonishing. Consent can't be a thing when someone is this drunk. And supposed signals given (and I insist, supposed)…
Exactly! I have had enough of these rape apologists that I have blocked them. The reason why so many victims become victims of sexual assault are because of these nonchalant attiudes towards sexual assault/rape. Just because you don't see explicit violence or clothes ripping with arms flailing does not make it NOT assault/rape.
I learned this the hard way when I was a victim. For the longest time, I blamed me for putting myself in a situation where I became vulnerable. I thought it was my fault for letting my drink be spiked because I wasn't careful and I was too trusting to think that my so-called friends wouldn't do that to me. Thinking that nothing would happen to me if I stayed in their house with other family members present, because it would be safer than driving home intoxicated. Perhaps it still was, and I thought this was the best choice at that time. Not knowing that they will try something even while their kids were sleeping in the same room.
My head was really fuzzy and I couldn't move a muscle when they came in and started kissing me and taking off my clothes. I tried to shout or I think I did but nobody else woke up even their wives sleeping in the next room so maybe it was all in my head. Even when after I woke up the next day, I thought I imagined the whole thing until they asked me if I enjoyed it. They told me that if I reported them, it will be my word against theirs.
I was ashamed to tell anybody and thought it was just my rotten luck. For years, I hung my head in shame and let myself be used because I thought why not? If I can't beat them, join them. That's all what they want right? Might as well give in easily to their desires whether I like it or not and be done with it. What's the use of fighting back? It's just sex anyway, why be a prude was what they told me. I believed this for the longest time, until I met someone who genuinely respected me and told me that I shouldn't excuse those guys behavior just because I was inebriated and wasn't able to think with a clear head. Consent cannot be explicitly or implicitly given when one party is drunk and the other not (even when people are in a relationship).
Just because Xing Si didn't explicitly say no doesn't mean it's okay. He did not have the capacity to be making decisions when drunk just like he wouldn't have the mental clarity to drive in that state. I'm not saying, "do not put rape themes in TV shows, etc." Because assault/rape does happen in real life. But what I am saying is that the behavior shouldn't be excused as something else. Disguising sexual assault as some kind of "rough play" just because of their repressed (or unrepressed) feelings isn't, in my mind, a healthy notion at all no matter how you slice it.
I'll simply say. Rape is not OK, but is an issue in this world. Male or female, eterosexual, gay, lesbian, bisexual.We…
Exactly! I have had enough of these rape apologists that I have blocked them. The reason why so many victims become victims of sexual assault are because of these nonchalant attiudes towards sexual assault/rape. Just because you don't see explicit violence or clothes ripping with arms flailing does not make it NOT assault/rape.
I learned this the hard way when I was a victim. For the longest time, I blamed me for putting myself in a situation where I became vulnerable. I thought it was my fault for letting my drink be spiked because I wasn't careful and I was too trusting to think that my so-called friends wouldn't do that to me. Thinking that nothing would happen to me if I stayed in their house with other family members present, because it would be safer than driving home intoxicated. Perhaps it still was, and I thought this was the best choice at that time. Not knowing that they will try something even while their kids were sleeping in the same room.
My head was really fuzzy and I couldn't move a muscle when they came in and started kissing me and taking off my clothes. I tried to shout or I think I did but nobody else woke up even their wives sleeping in the next room so maybe it was all in my head. Even when after I woke up the next day, I thought I imagined the whole thing until they asked me if I enjoyed it. They told me that if I reported them, it will be my word against theirs.
I was ashamed to tell anybody and thought it was just my rotten luck. For years, I hung my head in shame and let myself be used because I thought why not? If I can't beat them, join them. That's all what they want right? Might as well give in easily to their desires whether I like it or not and be done with it. What's the use of fighting back? It's just sex anyway, why be a prude was what they told me. I believed this for the longest time, until I met someone who genuinely respected me and told me that I shouldn't excuse those guys behavior just because I was inebriated and wasn't able to think with a clear head. Consent cannot be explicitly or implicitly given when one party is drunk and the other not (even when people are in a relationship).
Just because Xing Si didn't explicitly say no doesn't mean it's okay. He did not have the capacity to be making decisions when drunk just like he wouldn't have the mental clarity to drive in that state. I'm not saying, "do not put rape themes in TV shows, etc." Because assault/rape does happen in real life. But what I am saying is that the behavior shouldn't be excused as something else. Disguising sexual assault as some kind of "rough play" just because of their repressed (or unrepressed) feelings isn't, in my mind, a healthy notion at all no matter how you slice it.
Mom! Is it ok to get my brother drunk and rape him?Well honey, depends on your checking account's balance...What?!
Mom: Do you know what you're doing is wrong? Son: It's okay, dad will forgive me, he always does. Mom: but he's your brother Son: No he's not, I'm just a boy standing in front of another boy, asking him to love me.
Director: ok. What happens in ep 3?Writer: he takes his brother to a resort, gets him drunk on cocktails, carries…
Writer: What do you think about the drunk bed scene? You think people will be mad? Director: No, not if we put on some slow, romantic jam, I don't think they'll notice. Writer: Okay that might work but I just want to make sure it comes across as just someone being desperately in love with his brother.... Director: Don't you worry about it, we'll just add some gratuitous nipple shot and some tongue licking, that will do the trick.
The writer must be a masochist and secretly enjoys people lambasting her work, or maybe she writes just to get some kind of reaction even if they're negative. First, MODC (with the ending and blatant plagiarism) and now this. I guess if you can't be really good at it, might as well be terrible. Perhaps the same mentality that explains why William Hung had a music career (albeit brief). SMH.
I agree. I can understand why that trope isn't for everyone.. but if they aren't blood related it doesn't bother…
Same here. I don't have a problem with the pseudo incest trope but more concerned about the stalking/violence as excusable behavior because the brother is in love. I mean, yes, Xing Si knew it was wrong but Yong Jie was unapologetic (even reluctant). We can even see how easily the father dismissed Yong Jie's actions (even after admitting he did attack someone) despite the mother's concern.
Xing Si coddling the brother isn't the way to go either. He let Yong Jie get away with his actions with hardly a slap in the hand. That's why I am actually glad Li Cheng challenged him in a boxing match. Just because he is your friend's adopted brother doesn't make it okay.
It's too early to tell what Xing Si feels at this point towards Yong Jie. For now, I can only guess that it's guilt, hence he visited his brother at school in an attempt to spend a little bit more time with him. I hope this doesn't turn out to be misguided or misplaced love (as in I have no choice but to be with you because of how much you "love" me or else you'll hurt someone else).
I just have to vent after watching the 1st EP. I already know that I'll have problems w this show if I'll even…
I don’t have a problem with the over-the-top caricatures in this show. And a huge chunk of the BL audience are females who ship two men (whether gay or not). What I definitely have an issue with is the show's treatment of the stalking/violence as if it was excusable because he is in love with the brother. There are other ways to show a pseudo incest love story without resorting to aggression (different from angst). I thought they would take the opportunity to develop this sibling romance trope further when they lightly touched on it in History 1 and 2. Very disappointed towards this end.
If the intent of this show is to be comical and light-hearted, they should have just went all with the same mood rather than throw in random clichés that had nothing to do with the other. To me, it seemed like the writer can't make up her mind whether to write a comedy or a tragedy and decided to go with both.
Wow people really don't know how to enjoy a fiction see lots of opinions here . I really like it it's funny and…
Just because you don't agree with the some of the opinions voiced here doesn't make them stupid or the people voicing them dumb. Just a matter of preference IMO. No need for name calling.
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I learned this the hard way when I was a victim. For the longest time, I blamed me for putting myself in a situation where I became vulnerable. I thought it was my fault for letting my drink be spiked because I wasn't careful and I was too trusting to think that my so-called friends wouldn't do that to me. Thinking that nothing would happen to me if I stayed in their house with other family members present, because it would be safer than driving home intoxicated. Perhaps it still was, and I thought this was the best choice at that time. Not knowing that they will try something even while their kids were sleeping in the same room.
My head was really fuzzy and I couldn't move a muscle when they came in and started kissing me and taking off my clothes. I tried to shout or I think I did but nobody else woke up even their wives sleeping in the next room so maybe it was all in my head. Even when after I woke up the next day, I thought I imagined the whole thing until they asked me if I enjoyed it. They told me that if I reported them, it will be my word against theirs.
I was ashamed to tell anybody and thought it was just my rotten luck. For years, I hung my head in shame and let myself be used because I thought why not? If I can't beat them, join them. That's all what they want right? Might as well give in easily to their desires whether I like it or not and be done with it. What's the use of fighting back? It's just sex anyway, why be a prude was what they told me. I believed this for the longest time, until I met someone who genuinely respected me and told me that I shouldn't excuse those guys behavior just because I was inebriated and wasn't able to think with a clear head. Consent cannot be explicitly or implicitly given when one party is drunk and the other not (even when people are in a relationship).
Just because Xing Si didn't explicitly say no doesn't mean it's okay. He did not have the capacity to be making decisions when drunk just like he wouldn't have the mental clarity to drive in that state.
I'm not saying, "do not put rape themes in TV shows, etc." Because assault/rape does happen in real life. But what I am saying is that the behavior shouldn't be excused as something else. Disguising sexual assault as some kind of "rough play" just because of their repressed (or unrepressed) feelings isn't, in my mind, a healthy notion at all no matter how you slice it.
I learned this the hard way when I was a victim. For the longest time, I blamed me for putting myself in a situation where I became vulnerable. I thought it was my fault for letting my drink be spiked because I wasn't careful and I was too trusting to think that my so-called friends wouldn't do that to me. Thinking that nothing would happen to me if I stayed in their house with other family members present, because it would be safer than driving home intoxicated. Perhaps it still was, and I thought this was the best choice at that time. Not knowing that they will try something even while their kids were sleeping in the same room.
My head was really fuzzy and I couldn't move a muscle when they came in and started kissing me and taking off my clothes. I tried to shout or I think I did but nobody else woke up even their wives sleeping in the next room so maybe it was all in my head. Even when after I woke up the next day, I thought I imagined the whole thing until they asked me if I enjoyed it. They told me that if I reported them, it will be my word against theirs.
I was ashamed to tell anybody and thought it was just my rotten luck. For years, I hung my head in shame and let myself be used because I thought why not? If I can't beat them, join them. That's all what they want right? Might as well give in easily to their desires whether I like it or not and be done with it. What's the use of fighting back? It's just sex anyway, why be a prude was what they told me. I believed this for the longest time, until I met someone who genuinely respected me and told me that I shouldn't excuse those guys behavior just because I was inebriated and wasn't able to think with a clear head. Consent cannot be explicitly or implicitly given when one party is drunk and the other not (even when people are in a relationship).
Just because Xing Si didn't explicitly say no doesn't mean it's okay. He did not have the capacity to be making decisions when drunk just like he wouldn't have the mental clarity to drive in that state.
I'm not saying, "do not put rape themes in TV shows, etc." Because assault/rape does happen in real life. But what I am saying is that the behavior shouldn't be excused as something else. Disguising sexual assault as some kind of "rough play" just because of their repressed (or unrepressed) feelings isn't, in my mind, a healthy notion at all no matter how you slice it.
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Son: It's okay, dad will forgive me, he always does.
Mom: but he's your brother
Son: No he's not, I'm just a boy standing in front of another boy, asking him to love me.
Director: No, not if we put on some slow, romantic jam, I don't think they'll notice.
Writer: Okay that might work but I just want to make sure it comes across as just someone being desperately in love with his brother....
Director: Don't you worry about it, we'll just add some gratuitous nipple shot and some tongue licking, that will do the trick.
Xing Si coddling the brother isn't the way to go either. He let Yong Jie get away with his actions with hardly a slap in the hand. That's why I am actually glad Li Cheng challenged him in a boxing match. Just because he is your friend's adopted brother doesn't make it okay.
It's too early to tell what Xing Si feels at this point towards Yong Jie. For now, I can only guess that it's guilt, hence he visited his brother at school in an attempt to spend a little bit more time with him. I hope this doesn't turn out to be misguided or misplaced love (as in I have no choice but to be with you because of how much you "love" me or else you'll hurt someone else).
If the intent of this show is to be comical and light-hearted, they should have just went all with the same mood rather than throw in random clichés that had nothing to do with the other. To me, it seemed like the writer can't make up her mind whether to write a comedy or a tragedy and decided to go with both.