Been saying this forever. GMMTV's strategy of SkyNani is to attract both BL audience AND homophobic audience.…
Yes, I wanted to give you both the same message because you were talking about the same topic. I am aware this isn't exactly the correct platform for this, but I do still want to try and mitigate derailings and especially personal attacks (not directed at you) where I am able. I apologize.
I made this comment to share my feelings on the situation, and it makes me upset to see everyone so up in arms when nothing I said was meant as any sort of attack.
Been saying this forever. GMMTV's strategy of SkyNani is to attract both BL audience AND homophobic audience.…
Please, if you're gonna comment under my comment, at least stick to the topic at hand and stop bringing up literally anything else to try and prove a point. If you need to resort to whataboutisms, I'm sorry, but you have already lost your argument. Also, please do recognize that GMMTV are in fact attracting a homophobic audience by marketing their bromance "pairings" in this way, but that doesn't mean everyone that is part of SKNNs audience is homophobic. If it doesn't apply to you, please ignore and move on.
What you bring up is a valid topic, but this is not the correct time nor place to be having that conversation.
If you're just here to pick a fight, please leave my comment thread.
Been saying this forever. GMMTV's strategy of SkyNani is to attract both BL audience AND homophobic audience.…
Please, if you're gonna comment under my comment, at least stick to the topic at hand and stop bringing up literally anything else to try and prove a point. If you need to resort to whataboutisms, I'm sorry, but you have already lost your argument. Also, please do recognize that GMMTV are in fact attracting a homophobic audience by marketing their bromance "pairings" in this way, but that doesn't mean everyone that is part of SKNNs audience is homophobic. If it doesn't apply to you, please ignore and move on.
What you bring up is a valid topic, but this is not the correct time nor place to be having that conversation. Please respect that.
If you're just here to pick a fight, please leave my comment thread.
Been saying this forever. GMMTV's strategy of SkyNani is to attract both BL audience AND homophobic audience.…
Alright, yes this is very valid but please don't fight if you're in my little comment thread thingy. I want to have a genuine conversation about this, and that doesn't work if we throw insults at each other.
To be honest, the only point I want to talk on is the Gaga part. I don't have and have never had Gaga before,…
Thank you so much for your comment! I really appreaciate seeing someone who seems more willing to be having an actual conversation about this. Gaga being an official platform to watch Wu in certain regions is exactly my point, I only bring up the marketing because GMMTV made the conscious decision of selling the license for Wu to Gaga. I do not want to go too much into the whole bromance discourse that is currently ongoing because I feel like it adds absolutely nothing of value to what my main issue is about. I brought up topics like queerbait and fanservice because I have seen people tend to derail the conversation by bringing up those exact topics, so I wanted to acknowledge those beforehand, though it doesn't seem to stop them from bringing up other irrelevant topics.
Saying that the people upset by it being on Gaga should just "not watch it on Gaga" is a little bit naïve and is ignoring a big part of the issue. It's not just about it being on Gaga, it's also about the blatant false advertising and the message it sends to the LGBTQ+ community as a whole. GMMTV could have sold the license to literally any other streaming platform, so ask yourself why exactly they chose Gaga, the ONLY explicitly LGBTQ+ platform. You can also ask why Gaga even wanted the license for it in the first place. They kind of play together...
Been saying this forever. GMMTV's strategy of SkyNani is to attract both BL audience AND homophobic audience.…
If I may chime in a bit here, her username includes a strictly sapphic term which makes this even worse. Either she is sapphic yet still homophobic (unfortunately not impossible) or she is appropriating a sapphic term while mocking real queer people.
And what about your complaint regarding "weak hero"?
Last I checked, it wasn't available on an exclusively LGBTQ+ platform, but go off I guess. Why do y'all always have to bring up literally anything else. I stated clearly exactly what I was talking about. This whataboutism does nothing except prove my point.
Primeira vez que tem bromance. Mais eles tem tanta química entre eles, só que eles talvez não se sinta confortável…
Pardon me if I have misinterpreted the tone in your message, but not once do I say to stop supporting them, I said to not support a series that is not explicitly queer being hosted officially on an explicitly LGBTQ+ platform. I personally will not be supporting it regardless, but I hold no ill will towards people that are fans of SKNN and want to support it for SKNN alone. Just please help actual LGBTQ+ people in speaking out against a platform like GagaOOLala being an official platform for (some) non-Thais to watch this series. It does not belong on a queer platform as stated repeatedly by the cast and crew!
This entire situation genuinely makes me so upset.
Let me preface this by saying, I don't have anything against Sky and Nani as people, and if they do not want to do BL, that is their decision and should be respected—however—the way the company (emphasis on the COMPANY, not SKNN as individuals) has been marketing them feels too much like "BL Lite—Hold the Homo™" and I especially felt it when they went to Japan for fanfest back in February. It was SKNN and 6 BL CPs, and they had the exact same merch—except for the stamps which had the mascots separated. Why would SKNN need "couple" items in the exact same way as the BL CPs? This is the most egregious recent example I can think of, but I'm sure it's not the only time because this is something that has gradually been escalating for a while, and it continues to escalate even now.
Having read so many tweets and responses from SKNN fans recently, I have to say it feels like they severely lack the ability to be objective about anything when it comes to SKNN because to them everything has to be a subjective opinion and whoever speaks out against Wu/bromance does so just because they don't like SKNN. I'm sure it applies to some people, but majority of what I have seen have been criticizing GMMTV as a company based on objective facts, which I fully stand behind.
Seeing that out of all the streaming platforms GMMTV usually sells the rights of their series to, GagaOOLala—an exclusively LGBTQ+ platform—is the one to officially host Wu in certain regions is outrageous, and if you are a SKNN fan or even remotely respect them and their crew's vision for Wu, you should absolutely be against this! But that is not what I have seen, and that is the thing that upsets me the most. I already knew this company has 0 respect for their actual queer work (as shown with them choosing to not present any of their queer series for the AFM last year, instead choosing to include TWO series that hadn't even been filmed yet + Enigma Black Stage), but to see the lengths some of these fans go to to discredit BL and to justify everything is extremely hurtful to me as a queer person. They are also not helping the queerbaiting allegations when they further go on to queerbait when others ask whether the Wu novel is queer or not. Do they really lack that much self awareness? Then there are the smug people trying to turn it around by using queerbait against the BL industry and especially the actors. I'm sorry, that's not how that works. Queerbaiting is a term that applies to fiction, and real people CANNOT QUEERBAIT. I will die on this hill. I do not care where these actors may or may not stick their dicks, I'm good on not knowing because it's none of my business, and it doesn't take anything away from how they portray canonically explicitly queer characters for their series. Regarding fanservice, that still isn't queerbait, and that is an exhausted topic because literally everyone does fanservice to some extent—yes, even SKNN. Just accepting work together IS a form of fanservice. ALSO, I think a lot of people forget that a lot of the GMMTV artists are just close in general, and working together that closely with one person for years does absolutely affect you in one way or another. It's not surprising some CPs may be more comfortable with doing more fanservice-y things in public, but IMO, that doesn't mean it's disingenuous. If you read too much into fanservice, that is a you-problem. Just let them have their fun with it if they enjoy doing it. Anyway, that's a completely separate conversation, and I'll leave that there for now.
Please, if you are a SKNN fan, do not support Wu being hosted on an exclusively LGBTQ+ platform. Last I checked they had even tagged it as BL and even office-romance. How is this not blatant false advertising and even queerbait? Please respect the LGBTQ+ community, and let us have the platform for explicitly queer stories. This is not the platform for this kind of series—unless it's a censored Chinese BL in the form of bromance (for obvious reasons.) I hope you understand.
As always, I may not be the best at wording myself, so if you have any questions or want me to elaborate more on a certain topic (except the fanservice one, I do not want to get further into that at this time,) please do let me know. I also apologize if I may have come across a bit harsh in certain parts as I am genuinely upset by this entire situation.
Edit: Shoutout to little pillow princess below for completely missing the point yet also proving my point. They have repeatedly said it's a friendship series. Please do tell me where they have said it will be queer. Something being implied through subtext is not explicit, which in this case does make it queerbait and it does not belong on a queer platform. If you still take this as a personal attack, that is not my problem. Support it on any other platform, just not the one that is exclusively for queer media.
Edit2: Can we please keep to the topic at hand? I am genuinely trying to have a conversation here, but I just keep getting met with whataboutisms and people justifying their support for SKNN. I think it's great that you want to support them, but please recognize that what GMMTV are currently doing with their marketing of SKNN is in fact very harmful to the LGBTQ+ community. You might dismiss it thinking it isn't that deep, but it actually is. I am not telling you to boycott Wu or any other bromance series, that's completely up to you, I'm just saying to get bromance out of queer spaces like GagaOOLala unless it is explicitly queer or literally censored BL.
cutting off people is a last ditch thing. I would have liked a better redemption arc for the woman, but while…
Well, yes, but I do think them showing viewers that cutting off family members may be necessary in some situations, would be a good thing. Sometimes the damage done is just too big, and that's okay. I think the constant messaging of "forgive your family because your family comes first!" does more harm than good. I just want them to divert from that every now and then.
I've observed domundi doesn't let actors who are 21 or less years of age do extreme explicit scenes. You can check…
How about Nat in Cutie Pie through Naughty Babe? /gen While Naughty Babe aired after he turned 21, I believe he was still only 20 during filming. There is also Gems in Battle of the writers. He appears to only have been 20 during filming as well.
Not trying to imply anything here BTW, just saying that Nat and Gems seem to be the only exceptions (so far) in this case.
Legal contracts aren't a shield for dishonest marketing. They failed in Transparency. GMMTV promoted Love You…
That's fair. I think I'm just seeing things differently because I am so used to having to jump through several hoops just for access to content. I do hope you will be able to bring some changes to the company with all this, but I unfortunately do not have high expectations. Not because of you, but because of the company.
Anyway, thank you for your time. I hope you have a great rest of your day!
I made this comment to share my feelings on the situation, and it makes me upset to see everyone so up in arms when nothing I said was meant as any sort of attack.
What you bring up is a valid topic, but this is not the correct time nor place to be having that conversation.
If you're just here to pick a fight, please leave my comment thread.
(sorry for the copy-paste)
What you bring up is a valid topic, but this is not the correct time nor place to be having that conversation. Please respect that.
If you're just here to pick a fight, please leave my comment thread.
Saying that the people upset by it being on Gaga should just "not watch it on Gaga" is a little bit naïve and is ignoring a big part of the issue. It's not just about it being on Gaga, it's also about the blatant false advertising and the message it sends to the LGBTQ+ community as a whole. GMMTV could have sold the license to literally any other streaming platform, so ask yourself why exactly they chose Gaga, the ONLY explicitly LGBTQ+ platform. You can also ask why Gaga even wanted the license for it in the first place. They kind of play together...
Why do y'all always have to bring up literally anything else. I stated clearly exactly what I was talking about. This whataboutism does nothing except prove my point.
Let me preface this by saying, I don't have anything against Sky and Nani as people, and if they do not want to do BL, that is their decision and should be respected—however—the way the company (emphasis on the COMPANY, not SKNN as individuals) has been marketing them feels too much like "BL Lite—Hold the Homo™" and I especially felt it when they went to Japan for fanfest back in February. It was SKNN and 6 BL CPs, and they had the exact same merch—except for the stamps which had the mascots separated. Why would SKNN need "couple" items in the exact same way as the BL CPs? This is the most egregious recent example I can think of, but I'm sure it's not the only time because this is something that has gradually been escalating for a while, and it continues to escalate even now.
Having read so many tweets and responses from SKNN fans recently, I have to say it feels like they severely lack the ability to be objective about anything when it comes to SKNN because to them everything has to be a subjective opinion and whoever speaks out against Wu/bromance does so just because they don't like SKNN. I'm sure it applies to some people, but majority of what I have seen have been criticizing GMMTV as a company based on objective facts, which I fully stand behind.
Seeing that out of all the streaming platforms GMMTV usually sells the rights of their series to, GagaOOLala—an exclusively LGBTQ+ platform—is the one to officially host Wu in certain regions is outrageous, and if you are a SKNN fan or even remotely respect them and their crew's vision for Wu, you should absolutely be against this! But that is not what I have seen, and that is the thing that upsets me the most.
I already knew this company has 0 respect for their actual queer work (as shown with them choosing to not present any of their queer series for the AFM last year, instead choosing to include TWO series that hadn't even been filmed yet + Enigma Black Stage), but to see the lengths some of these fans go to to discredit BL and to justify everything is extremely hurtful to me as a queer person. They are also not helping the queerbaiting allegations when they further go on to queerbait when others ask whether the Wu novel is queer or not. Do they really lack that much self awareness?
Then there are the smug people trying to turn it around by using queerbait against the BL industry and especially the actors. I'm sorry, that's not how that works. Queerbaiting is a term that applies to fiction, and real people CANNOT QUEERBAIT. I will die on this hill. I do not care where these actors may or may not stick their dicks, I'm good on not knowing because it's none of my business, and it doesn't take anything away from how they portray canonically explicitly queer characters for their series.
Regarding fanservice, that still isn't queerbait, and that is an exhausted topic because literally everyone does fanservice to some extent—yes, even SKNN. Just accepting work together IS a form of fanservice. ALSO, I think a lot of people forget that a lot of the GMMTV artists are just close in general, and working together that closely with one person for years does absolutely affect you in one way or another. It's not surprising some CPs may be more comfortable with doing more fanservice-y things in public, but IMO, that doesn't mean it's disingenuous. If you read too much into fanservice, that is a you-problem. Just let them have their fun with it if they enjoy doing it. Anyway, that's a completely separate conversation, and I'll leave that there for now.
Please, if you are a SKNN fan, do not support Wu being hosted on an exclusively LGBTQ+ platform. Last I checked they had even tagged it as BL and even office-romance. How is this not blatant false advertising and even queerbait? Please respect the LGBTQ+ community, and let us have the platform for explicitly queer stories. This is not the platform for this kind of series—unless it's a censored Chinese BL in the form of bromance (for obvious reasons.) I hope you understand.
As always, I may not be the best at wording myself, so if you have any questions or want me to elaborate more on a certain topic (except the fanservice one, I do not want to get further into that at this time,) please do let me know. I also apologize if I may have come across a bit harsh in certain parts as I am genuinely upset by this entire situation.
Edit: Shoutout to little pillow princess below for completely missing the point yet also proving my point. They have repeatedly said it's a friendship series. Please do tell me where they have said it will be queer. Something being implied through subtext is not explicit, which in this case does make it queerbait and it does not belong on a queer platform. If you still take this as a personal attack, that is not my problem. Support it on any other platform, just not the one that is exclusively for queer media.
Edit2: Can we please keep to the topic at hand? I am genuinely trying to have a conversation here, but I just keep getting met with whataboutisms and people justifying their support for SKNN. I think it's great that you want to support them, but please recognize that what GMMTV are currently doing with their marketing of SKNN is in fact very harmful to the LGBTQ+ community. You might dismiss it thinking it isn't that deep, but it actually is. I am not telling you to boycott Wu or any other bromance series, that's completely up to you, I'm just saying to get bromance out of queer spaces like GagaOOLala unless it is explicitly queer or literally censored BL.
While Naughty Babe aired after he turned 21, I believe he was still only 20 during filming. There is also Gems in Battle of the writers. He appears to only have been 20 during filming as well.
Not trying to imply anything here BTW, just saying that Nat and Gems seem to be the only exceptions (so far) in this case.
And why didn't I hate it?
Anyway, thank you for your time. I hope you have a great rest of your day!