The entire premise of this drama makes no sense when just reading the synopsis. If a lot of men died then men would have more wives (concubines) and not the other way around. There is no way in hell one woman would have that many (male) concubines in such a situation because that would be bad for the country and would risk the country being overtaken by other countries as other countries would be able to have more kids and therefore more men in the future.
I just started this drama and I normally don't pay attention to this but there is this guy on this site (don't remember the username) that always complains about women hitting men in dramas. I was watching episode 1 and I noticed one of the women punching the male assistant for no reason other than to vent her anger (he didn't cause). This got me thinking that there def. is a double standard when it comes to scenes like that. I've seen women hit in a playful manner and I don't think much about that but the punching in episode 1 didn't come off as playful.
EDIT: I watched on and I don't remember another scene like this so at least it just seems to be a one off scene in the drama and not a "running gag".
she was a genuinely horrible human being. and jung ryeo won wasn't the right person for her. maybe we would have…
I know this is a late comment but what the other person was saying was that being a "strong woman" does not mean taking all the bad stuff men are known for and act like that. What she's saying is not that women are not like that - she's saying that women that are like that are not "strong women" but cruel women. I think what her and the other person she was replying to didn't like was people calling the FL a "strong woman" when she's in their opinion just cruel.
Haha I did notice that for being a decade older than ML, FL's face looked a lot smoother and more flawless in…
I'm sure they use filters in pretty much any drama (especially Chinese and Korean) dramas. They use it in other dramas too but in Korean and Chinese I feel they are using more "heavy" filters. I mean Iphone has "secret" filters in their front camera so I doubt these producers would have any problem using filters in a "discreet" way with professional equipment. I guess they just think it looks better this way. The FL might also have pref. the filming to be done this way to look less old? I've seen comments of people watching dramas on VIKI and they are ruthless (cruel) when judging the looks of lead actors/actresses. This is especially true if they are judging a male lead or a female lead they don't like. An example of this is one of the last dramas I watched on that site was - About Time. There were so many comments (as I remember) about the looks of the ML and how he looks old. The ML of that drama was around 10 years younger than the FL of this drama.
They didn't leave their kid at kindergarten. They actually brought the kids with them to the cafe (when they did…
I rewatched and you are actually right. I guess I missed that because somehow the kids knows how to teleport because the kids are nowhere to be seen when they are getting their sunglasses and walking in "slowmotion" through the streets.. I guess they might have picked the kids up after getting the sunglasses but if they were going to bring their kids along then they should at least have dressed up their kids and given them sunglasses too.
Am I the only one that found the revenge scene in episode 11 stupid as hell? I mean the parents might have deserved what was coming to them but they started a fight in a place where kids were around. I would be mad as hell if one of my kids were around to see this bullshit in real life. Then we get a scene afterwards when it's dark that the husband after work has to pick up their kid. I mean they left the kid in kindergarten until late just to exact a stupid (the execution of the revenge) revenge instead of picking up the kid at a reasonable time.
"sorry but I am with Anna, I can't let you have this baby"EXCUSE ME??! HOW DARE YOU say the FL not only to not…
Whether the FL have the baby or not should be 100% her decision. That said then if a girl is able to get an abortion but refuses then the guy shouldn't have to pay any child support if he doesn't want the kid. If a guy has no say in whether the baby is aborted or not then he shouldn't be forced to pay child support either.
I mean you could easily turn it around and claim that it's discriminatory towards men. The man is not allowed…
I know. The other person claimed that scene was discriminatory towards women first. If that scene is discriminatory towards anyone then it's towards men. Why did you make this reply to me yet agreed with the person claiming the scene to be discriminatory towards women? You could have written this reply to the other person but instead you decided to write this as a reply to me. Why? I even said so myself that this scene was not really discriminatory towards anyone.
"In reality that scene is really not discrimination towards any sex. The scene is a scene about a family member not wanting another family member to marry a person they don't like."
I mean you could easily turn it around and claim that it's discriminatory towards men. The man is not allowed…
I wrote in spoiler because we were discussing something that happened in the drama in later episodes. You must really fail with men since you are talking a lot of nonsense yourself.
I mean you could easily turn it around and claim that it's discriminatory towards men. The man is not allowed…
The problem with English is on you. I explained correctly.
These dramas are 99% of the times written by WOMEN for WOMEN. In majority of dramas then men are the ones doing the cooking. Heck even in the dramas where the men starts out as jerks and selfish then once they fall in love they start cooking and doing other unrealistic (when looking at their personality in the beginning of the drama) acts. The mother shouting at the brother wanting to cook is also discrimination towards men because men are not allowed to cook. Do you not see how this work? You want to see that scene as discrimination towards women because the woman is expected to cook but you could likewise see the same scene as discrimination towards the man because he's not allowed to cook.
This is what you wrote: "look at 12:00 when the women say to the sister: he is the only man in the family" i mean...WTF, if he is a man he can not marry a aweful woman but if it's a woman she can marry aweful man?!!!!!!!!!"
In that scene the sister wont allow the brother to marry a (in her opinion) bad woman. That's discrimination towards the man because he's not allowed to do something he would have been allowed to do if he was (according to you) a woman. This is not hard to understand. You wanted to see that scene as discrimination towards women and that's what you saw even though that scene could also be discrimination towards men. In reality that scene is really not discrimination towards any sex. The scene is a scene about a family member not wanting another family member to marry a person they don't like.
I mean you could easily turn it around and claim that it's discriminatory towards men. The man is not allowed…
My comment was pretty easy to understand. If some character told a male character. You are not allowed to marry my sister because she's the only woman in our family and we don't want her to marry a bad man. Then you'd write that it's discriminatory towards women because the family wont allow her to marry the man she wants just because she's the only woman in the family. You just wanted to complain about "discrimination of women" and therefore turned a scene that wasn't really "discrimination of women" into that.
Yea but even if the story is a bit crazy and unrealistic then the choices of the characters in that setting should still be believable and make sense. In this drama that was not the case. There is no way in hell any guy would not have gotten together with that other girl especially not after knowing of his wife cheating with the guy he hated. I consider that bad writing.
ep 86 made me upset and wanted to srop this drama i had so much ecpectation from this, i thought it's a comedy…
I mean you could easily turn it around and claim that it's discriminatory towards men. The man is not allowed to marry the woman he wants because he's the only man in the family. You just wanted this scene to be about discrimination of women and therefore that's what you saw.
The way the ML dealt with his wife and the affair sucked. In real life the guy would have gotten together with the other girl - even if he didn't actually like her. If he liked her then he'd just get together with her to be happy with her and get revenge on his wife at the same time. If he didn't like her he'd just get together with her for comfort and to get revenge on his wife. There is no way in hell that wouldn't happen.
am I wrong I can't stand to watch anything with Wu Xiu Bo in it since his scandals?
What do you people even expect? I mean do you people honestly think any rich and handsome actor has not been cheating on their girlfriend or wife? I'm pretty sure 95% or more of all actors have been cheating on their partners.
I was thinking the same thing, but if that thought is because of Min Jeong, I think it is not wrong... she is…
Why would I drop the drama - the most likely outcome of the drama is MJ staying and the "dead" wife moving on. You were the one writing that it's not unacceptable expecting her to stay alive. I disagree with that and gave a few questions that might make you rethink or reconsider whether expecting a "dead" person to stay alive is really acceptable. I definitely don't think it's "beyond the history of the drama" to discuss that and it's also definitely fine to discuss here. The question is a valid question to ask yourself in a drama where a "dead" person is staying alive - if you actually care about the quality of the writing that is. I just want to make one thing clear as what I'm writing might be confused as me saying it's not okay for you (or any other viewer) to wish for the "dead" wife to stay alive. That's not what I mean. When I write that yes I think it's unacceptable then I only mean in the context of creating a good drama (good writing) unless the questions I asked (why her?) will be answered in the drama in a satisfying way. If those questions are not answered in a satisfying way then I feel like the "dead" wife staying alive will be "unacceptable" and bad writing. You obviously have a right to remain with your opinion and most people usually do that (me included). I gave a different take on how I see the drama/writing until now as I didn't agree with some of your analysis.
I was thinking the same thing, but if that thought is because of Min Jeong, I think it is not wrong... she is…
Their relationship is more real than the "dead" wife. I'm just writing what's obvious in the drama until now. The problem with their marriage was never that she's "overwhelmed". Heck everything suggest that if the husband would ask more of her then she'd be happy. If you are hoping for an ending with the "dead" wife getting back her family then you'll probably be disappointed considering the name of the drama. And yes expecting her to stay alive is pretty unacceptable? Because why her? Why not everyone else dying "young"? That's just unfair for everyone else. I know this is a drama so anything can obviously happen but if the writer is any good then the "dead" wife will not stay alive at the end.
I was thinking the same thing, but if that thought is because of Min Jeong, I think it is not wrong... she is…
Min Jeong loves her husband and her step-daughter. The only reason she's not happy is because she feels that her husband doesn't need her and therefore will not let her help him. They have given a lot of hints on how she wants to be there for him but she feels like he doesn't need her (e.g. when she wanted to give him an umbrella or when she asked if she should cook him something). The only reason she asked Yuri if she wanted to replace her was because she wants the best for her husband and step-daughter and feels like she's not good enough for them. Yuri is dead. I'm pretty sure she's not going to end up with the family but instead she's going to move on to the "afterlife" in the end of the drama.
This drama was trash. The way the violence from the wife was just ignored was crazy. In any other drama where the husband cut the face of his wife by (purposely) throwing something sharp at her he'd never be forgiven for that and that drama would never have a happy ending between the couple. What is worse is how the husband is the one having to learn his mistakes and how hard of a life his wife had. Yes he wasn't the perfect husband but the wife was shown as a psycho in the beginning. Yet he's the one having to apologize the entire drama and she's the one having to forgive him. The writer did acknowledge half-heartedly a few times that both parties are to blame in a marriage but the writer would then follow that up with blaming the ML more. The women in the drama pretty much had to come out at the top the entire time. A good drama would balance that better - this one was very one-sided. A good example of this is how the sister throws out her husband when they had a fight about the ML.
When you know just by watching the drama that it's written by a woman then the drama has a problem.
There is no way in hell one woman would have that many (male) concubines in such a situation because that would be bad for the country and would risk the country being overtaken by other countries as other countries would be able to have more kids and therefore more men in the future.
EDIT: I watched on and I don't remember another scene like this so at least it just seems to be a one off scene in the drama and not a "running gag".
I think what her and the other person she was replying to didn't like was people calling the FL a "strong woman" when she's in their opinion just cruel.
I guess they just think it looks better this way. The FL might also have pref. the filming to be done this way to look less old? I've seen comments of people watching dramas on VIKI and they are ruthless (cruel) when judging the looks of lead actors/actresses. This is especially true if they are judging a male lead or a female lead they don't like.
An example of this is one of the last dramas I watched on that site was - About Time.
There were so many comments (as I remember) about the looks of the ML and how he looks old. The ML of that drama was around 10 years younger than the FL of this drama.
I guess they might have picked the kids up after getting the sunglasses but if they were going to bring their kids along then they should at least have dressed up their kids and given them sunglasses too.
Why did you make this reply to me yet agreed with the person claiming the scene to be discriminatory towards women? You could have written this reply to the other person but instead you decided to write this as a reply to me. Why?
I even said so myself that this scene was not really discriminatory towards anyone.
"In reality that scene is really not discrimination towards any sex. The scene is a scene about a family member not wanting another family member to marry a person they don't like."
That's what I wrote in my comment above...
These dramas are 99% of the times written by WOMEN for WOMEN.
In majority of dramas then men are the ones doing the cooking. Heck even in the dramas where the men starts out as jerks and selfish then once they fall in love they start cooking and doing other unrealistic (when looking at their personality in the beginning of the drama) acts.
The mother shouting at the brother wanting to cook is also discrimination towards men because men are not allowed to cook. Do you not see how this work? You want to see that scene as discrimination towards women because the woman is expected to cook but you could likewise see the same scene as discrimination towards the man because he's not allowed to cook.
This is what you wrote:
"look at 12:00 when the women say to the sister: he is the only man in the family" i mean...WTF, if he is a man he can not marry a aweful woman but if it's a woman she can marry aweful man?!!!!!!!!!"
In that scene the sister wont allow the brother to marry a (in her opinion) bad woman. That's discrimination towards the man because he's not allowed to do something he would have been allowed to do if he was (according to you) a woman.
This is not hard to understand. You wanted to see that scene as discrimination towards women and that's what you saw even though that scene could also be discrimination towards men.
In reality that scene is really not discrimination towards any sex. The scene is a scene about a family member not wanting another family member to marry a person they don't like.
If some character told a male character. You are not allowed to marry my sister because she's the only woman in our family and we don't want her to marry a bad man.
Then you'd write that it's discriminatory towards women because the family wont allow her to marry the man she wants just because she's the only woman in the family.
You just wanted to complain about "discrimination of women" and therefore turned a scene that wasn't really "discrimination of women" into that.
You just wanted this scene to be about discrimination of women and therefore that's what you saw.
If he didn't like her he'd just get together with her for comfort and to get revenge on his wife. There is no way in hell that wouldn't happen.
You were the one writing that it's not unacceptable expecting her to stay alive. I disagree with that and gave a few questions that might make you rethink or reconsider whether expecting a "dead" person to stay alive is really acceptable. I definitely don't think it's "beyond the history of the drama" to discuss that and it's also definitely fine to discuss here. The question is a valid question to ask yourself in a drama where a "dead" person is staying alive - if you actually care about the quality of the writing that is.
I just want to make one thing clear as what I'm writing might be confused as me saying it's not okay for you (or any other viewer) to wish for the "dead" wife to stay alive. That's not what I mean. When I write that yes I think it's unacceptable then I only mean in the context of creating a good drama (good writing) unless the questions I asked (why her?) will be answered in the drama in a satisfying way. If those questions are not answered in a satisfying way then I feel like the "dead" wife staying alive will be "unacceptable" and bad writing.
You obviously have a right to remain with your opinion and most people usually do that (me included). I gave a different take on how I see the drama/writing until now as I didn't agree with some of your analysis.
I'm just writing what's obvious in the drama until now. The problem with their marriage was never that she's "overwhelmed". Heck everything suggest that if the husband would ask more of her then she'd be happy.
If you are hoping for an ending with the "dead" wife getting back her family then you'll probably be disappointed considering the name of the drama.
And yes expecting her to stay alive is pretty unacceptable? Because why her? Why not everyone else dying "young"? That's just unfair for everyone else.
I know this is a drama so anything can obviously happen but if the writer is any good then the "dead" wife will not stay alive at the end.
The only reason she asked Yuri if she wanted to replace her was because she wants the best for her husband and step-daughter and feels like she's not good enough for them.
Yuri is dead. I'm pretty sure she's not going to end up with the family but instead she's going to move on to the "afterlife" in the end of the drama.
The women in the drama pretty much had to come out at the top the entire time. A good drama would balance that better - this one was very one-sided. A good example of this is how the sister throws out her husband when they had a fight about the ML.
When you know just by watching the drama that it's written by a woman then the drama has a problem.