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well good for you. i clearly shared my thoughts on why i find it difficult to understand since i personally would not be comfortable with a person who assualted me and i have clear memories of it even if i had guilt or whatever. And someone who raped her multiple times he is definitely not good as much as her. And she herself says that when she dies. that whoever she did wrong they in turn did wrong to her except ZZ. So i dont see why there is so much guilt that it can overcome such horrible personal experience . But thanks to novel readers i got some perception. so ya it is difficult for me to understand if not for you :) cheers. enjoy the show

Still doesn’t explain her being comfortable in his presence . She need not run away from him but she is pretty comfortable . Just came across today’s preview they are happily playing ! That’s what I am questioning

i didnt see any uncomfortableness when he touched her so many times, took her to the lantern festival. In fact she was enjoying and also looking at him. So ya overall it was not convincing to me but ya with above discussion i can accept that she is fine i suppose

agree . But yeah looks like she has other feelings of her childhood mixed up so i can sorta live with it i suppose

I am loving the discussion and all the perspectives. Thanks. This just shows how involved we are with the story. so good going for the drama:)

I agree that some traits of persons are result of their situation. But i also think that certain traits are inherent and its just about presenting certain situation for that trait to come out. So YL is capable of doing such a thing for a person he claimed he loved is what matters . Even ML is brought out as cold bcs of his situation. But he doesnt roam aroudn claiming he loves someone and then do such a thing. again its not like i am ok with ML . Bad is bad even with whatever they faced in life. Also I am not asking for FL to condemn him and take action or anything. FL being so comfortable with him is what made me question. Also in first life it seems like she did a lot . She schemed and involved with all men to get into palace.

thanks for the explanation . Really appreciate it. it gives more context and i will not be constantly perturbed with her interaction with YL now!

thanks. that explains although like you dont agree or still dont understand fully . i am not necessarily comparing her closeness with XW since she hardly knows XW so i get the reaction. its just how her reaction to a person she saw do atrocities and then kill her (?) vs a person who did atrocities to her personally i was surprised at .

Not showing is not same as not implying that happened. The way that scene where he whispers in her ears sort of showed his intention but ya if i had not read comments below and solely based on drama i wouldnt guessed the. extent!! I guess upcoming episodes will give us more details. But if they give more details it becomes more and more unbelievable to me that she is even talking to him let alone touch her .

ya but she can feel guilty but that doesnt mean she can still play buddy buddy with the person who did that to her and she has clear memories of it !

lol thanks! i have seen some of the other historic shows where names are taken directly so was wondering

I am still not able to wrap my head around two things. If she wants to avoid palace shouldnt she be avoiding YL too? Also I get that she doesnt trust XW at all and what she might have seem him do in past life she is wary of him so her reaction seeing XW is understandable but i dont get how she can be comfortable even being with YL if he had raped her (multiple times i read below) . That is very much a horrible personal experience and i dont know how can she go about being normal with a person who she knows can do that to her!! Even if she had betrayed him stil the person who supposedly loved her cannot do that or does the drama wants to convey he just force kissed and nothing more? IMO a person capable of doing that is not a person you want to be with even if you know he has not done that yet or the situation was different. I would be as much scared/wary of a person who did that to me or more than a person i have seen killing others brutally . Since XW killed her too i would say scared of both

thats why i really find it difficult to accept that she still allows YL be close to her ! she might be guilty but if he forced himself on her then i dont see how she does not hesitate when he keeps touching her

i have a small question. i noticed FL calls all MLs by name. i get that YL is sort of her childhood friend so thats fine but i found it weird that she calls XW who is a big court official by name. is. that how it was in China and i am finding it new since in India calling by name without adding a respectful connotation was a big no in ancient times and even now in personal setting or is it something we have to gross over bcs in dramas they dont care about that level of authenticity

looks like she did something awful to him as per other comments but yes even i have that complain if she was really assaulted in the palace by him she should have been more cautious if not scared . i am not convinced with the reason tbh. that still doesnt change the fact that its not hot . i would say the same for another scene with the teacher holding her neck which everyone are waiting for ! Again i am not picking on you . its just my opinion. It might be really interesting for me to see this intense scenes if the story demands but terming it as hot i felt is not how i would describe it

So much in only 38 episodes. I have seen some modern drams with more episodes with much less plot ! i hope they dont rush how their relationship develops

I am sorry how is that hot ! She got scared of that memory. Anything against consent where she is not shy but scared cannot be hot for me in anyways!

Exactly my feelings and not just this drama lots of other wuxia/xianxia (whatever 3-4 i have seen) . you know when i started this drama first 8 or so episodes were interesting. The way ML story spanned out and the way he reacted kept me on edge. Is he turning bad, or already is plotting or whats he gonna do next but around episode 10 onwards i could not figure out ML and FL anymore.
Also this years and years of torture the leads do for waiting the other lead leaving every responsibility they were shown in the beginning with is something i see in every Xianxia or Wuxia story! Thats the reason i cannot take these drams seriously! Even LBFAD i hated that the most. Like the Devil who was shown as the saviour of his country is spending days cleaning up some place waiting for FL to return. He could have done the same running the country. I see the same here as well.

Although first 10 epis i watched with interest i know what you mean . Even with all the pains both lead characters have we cannot feel that pain at all. As if the characters themselves are disconnected with their life . Seeing ML in WIFTY with similar sad story did so well i am not sure if its the actors problem or the director and screen writers problem

same. i thought i am the only who felt FLs acting is not that great. i couldnt relate to her pain . She need not cry all the time but still her expressions fell flat in many scenes for me