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I am with you on this! i came here to see if this drama has a release data and other information. You had a good point on fillters and other plots . I dont know why this lead to a discussion on so called "idols" and "fans". I mean its a drama a work which has so many facets. Story, actors, production. Its not about one single idol and if you are a so called true fan or anti fan. Replies to yours are all just laughable.

Just watched this show and as everyone says ( i didnt see any negative comment) its such a ride. All characters are good but mostly loved MLs character arc from being shy scared (slightly self centered) to brave caring guy. I wish and hope every police in every country are like this the way they have showed in the show . it seems unrealistic somehow. Not saying they are not good in real but in the show they cared an extra mile not sure that happens in real all the time!

Same here. i follow the story from twitter but i stopped actively watching. i loved that initially it was different and women not necessarily being pitted against each other but at some point it got OTT.
So story wise also i am not able to connect to FL or ML. FL is acting like she knows everything and can do everything and ML is literally there just to support her and bear her anger despite doing everything for her. at this point their romance seems to be pretty one sided or non existent. in all the effort to make women centred story they make males all too soft or dumb and females all seemingly strong but all they are doing is disrespecting even good understanding and sensible husbands. thats not how it works. in coming episodes they are showing some romance looks like but its too late for me too. you cant forget ML and FL love each other when there is some major plot where FL literally didnt care and MLs servants cared more than her and randomly when one major plot completes start showing their romance. they are showing ML jealous bcs FL is paying to attention to male. When did she ever paid attention to him anyway! the whole characterisation is going haywire for me.
Fact that most people liked YY and LW together shows how bad the romance between leads went down the line!
i am so disappointed bcs i loved it initial 10 epis and actors are really good

[I'll refrain from my critique about storytelling where, "if women were in charge, they would simply reverse the gender dynamic rather than generate something different" is at the core of the story. Its a pathetic concept of feminism, but, oh well. "Comedy."]
Agree with this 100% in later episodes i felt this more and more specially dynamics with lead couple!
But FL being clueless about love is because she so badly want to go back to her place where she is not suffocated so much. Everything is different from her home so being homesick its natural all she thinks about is going back home . So it understandable that she doesnt think much on MLs actions so i still felt dynamics was fine till episode 12 but after that i felt it went haywire

my final comments before i bid this amazing show good bye and move on ( i will rewatch a few times s for sure in future)
Thanks to all the commenters here for great discussions on different things. It was nice to read all perspectives(although i really felt bad while reading comments about LX being termed toxic by more and more people) while watching and waiting for the show.
Thanks to the actors and production.
Definitely one of the very few drams where i wasnt disappointed from start to end.
where
1. ML had subtle but remarkable growth without compromising on his core characteristics.(have seen too many cdramas where ML forgets about his responsibilites and dreams after falling in love)
2. FL is a cute and innocent but not childish or dumb and is not there to be saved by ML but protects ML
3. Even other character arcs are significant and meaningful

just because he teases her and is a little possesive doesnt mean he is toxic. toxic is when a person doesnt allow freedom at all and is the decision maker in the relationship. when do you see him doing that? he literally entertained all her whims and fancies when he really didnt have time or interest. (he had to suffer for that too) he also supported her going abroad . ml has flaws but which human doesnt !!
also ZY seems to be enabler because she is literally a princess i.e she has everything he has nothing so what if she indulges him . i would too if i love a person who has been in hell since childhood. just labeling people toxic without taking into picture the whole character backgrounds when they are not even toxic is a loss to you to enjoy a really good show where there is clear character growth of so many characters.

What i like about LX is he is that good because he had to earn since childhood and not just bcs he is a genius out of the box. He had lot of experience than others by the time he was in university. So ZY (although jokingly ) says to zheng teng that if you stay all night for 10 yrs you can be better than him it shows hardwork not just genius for him being so good overall.

you have put it very well what i have been trying to convey multiple times. people say he could have pushed ZY differently but no one comes up with exactly how ? i mean even with such hurtful words ZY still came to jail talking to lawyer to get him out of jail. how else can he manage to push her

Oh he definitely treats ZY differently not because she is nice but because she knows how to handle him . He was adamant he will not join competition you think anyone could convince him and when did ZY accepted defeat there she could convince him fine .She understands him. Same with Ren Di. Thats why LX also interacts differently with them . This is initial before dating after that LX softens with everyone. So LX ais not a character poster of a gentleman but he is neither toxic . Need to watch open mindedly how LX is and consider his background and his job etc to judge him

i would say it was culmination of lot of things that happened to him since he was released from jail. he was not in his right mind. who would be when he went through so much and now he lost his company his dignity (he couldnt find decent house ) and most importantly his love so his frustration reached that level when he saw them in the same house

lol you can say toxic (i dont agree though) but definitely not narcissistic also he didnt steal her shares for his benefit. he did that so she is not stuck here in china and ruin her illustrious career

Definitely not. what Gao did is irredeemable but i would still be hurt if someone talks to me condescendingly in front of my classmates however genius he may be and how much ever he is helping me . And as FSM did may be get away but overall as a person i would still say LX could have treated him better. But i also know that if he keeps sugar coating and helping everyone by spoon feeding he wouldnt have time to earn and feed himself. So all in all i dont think LX is toxic. I love him as a character and happy that finally he found his happiness becase at the end of the day he was wronged by society and people surrounding him since childhood but he never turned bitter and helped silently to whoever he can like the farmer friend and most importantly didnt give up on hou ning etc.

When they were in relationship or before he was never a jerk. he did talk curtly but thats because of his background since childhood he has no patience to sugar coat. in 1-2 instances he could have dealt better with Gao though but he was never like that with ZY. also once they started dating you can see he was so soft to her and also was much better with all his friends specially Gao. you can see the change in him.
But once his sister died his only goal was revenge and he knows ZY would be stuck with him in a dead end if he does not treat her badly.
epi 27 is a different thing. He was a total jerk intentionally due to jealousy and that is due to multiple reasons.He could see what he lost from professional and personal front. Not defending him but we can see his mindset is not right. when he knows about depression he apologised and treated her with tenderness again and even gave up on L&P when it came to her. For others too he cares silently although he is curt. i can give a long long speech about that .
PS : I am a married in 30s women so i am not some teenager who find toxic males enticing and i do hate red flag and toxic characters and i have seen there are lots in C drams but i dont think LX is one of them.

i second this. when they were in relationship or before he was never a jerk. he did talk curtly but thats because of his background since childhood he has no patience to sugar coat. in 1-2 instances he could have dealt better with Gao though but he was never like that with ZY. also once they started dating you can see he was so soft to her and also was much better with all his friends specially Gao. you can see the change in him.
But once his sister died his only goal was revenge and he knows ZY would be stuck with him in a dead end if he does not treat her badly.
epi 27 is a different thing. He was a total jerk intentionally due to jealousy and that is due to multiple reasons.He could see what he lost from professional and personal front. Not defending him but we can see his mindset is not right. when he knows about depression he apologised and treated her with tenderness again and even gave up on L&P when it came to her. For others too he cares silently although he is curt. i can give a long long speech about that .
PS : I am a married in 30s women so i am not a teenager who find toxic males enticing and i do hate red flag and toxic characters and i have seen there are lots in C drams but i dont think LX is one of them.

Agree. First 10 epis i gave full attention and enjoyed so much . Later fast forwarded. Now i watch when i am working parallely. It started off so well but they tried to show every women characters empowerment which was not needed. As to ML FL well second lead couple had a better journey then lead couple. ML FL went from no relation to as if a relationship of a couple who have been together for decades with hardly no scenes in between. Its healthy its sweet may be but dont see that spark when they come on screen. Dont need physical /skin ship for that even eye contact can be enough if done right but i dont see any between these two. I wanted some conflict some emotions(not just her being allowed to banquet sort of conflict but how she cant be close to him sort of conflict) when YY was there but all we saw was how LW loved and cared for each and everyone except YZ.
Well enough of my rants. It is still a good series overall to watch i would say. All the Actors and their comic timing is impeccable.

haha cant decide. both in different ways! Uni years they were more cute specially ZY and adult years its sweet and poignant

yes but they should have discussed about it like is she feeling better than before or something because even if its controlled depression is not easy to endure

This drama and New Life Begins(historical drama) i am enjoying these days. both are opposites in terms of story. L&P has a heavy plot (not much since beginning you would know its happy ending but still heavier ) compared to NLB while NLB is slice of life historical drama so watching together balances out lol

I really wanted them to address by some discussion on how is ZY's depression after sometime when they are together or almost together. I dont think depression that too if its going on for years can go off like a switch. Even after she got LX back she would still need time to heal from depression i would imagine

Exact same feeling. Its a good drama overall and fresh in terms of handling different relationship specially among women and some good characters and comedy. But initially it also had sweet and cute romance . They definitely had sparks but now i feel like i am seeing an old married couple .for example it same as seeing old King YZ father and the Queen interact or just part of the household like siblings! Last 2 episodes had some scenes between them but that initial spark is lost. i dont feel like watching them!!
The fact that lot of people are moved by YY and LW parting scene and sort of shipping YY and LW is a proof that romance of YZ and LW is not up to the mark.
One reason i think this is the case is this series has a like a sequential plots and when one plot is going on with 1-2 characters are in the forefront(FL is in all somehow) others interaction take a severe backseat. Now that YY is about to leave they suddenly started showing FL cares about ML.