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and that's what I'm talking about"she didn't properly apologizing", and her make the relationship public is funny lol another decision he has no say about 😅. thank you but I can't watch tropes after tropes and ml just there to love fl and she decided everything in the relationship and I bet she's the one who decided not to get married again, not him . have a good night

thank you also , I appreciate your patience 😅, I know it , unfortunately another cliché kdrama, and let's stop here because it's a big frustration for me how romance comedy in kdrama recently. bye 👍

I’m not mad at women as a group only stupid people get mad at men or women as a group. I never said anything about women in general; I’m talking about FL characters, and MLs too. you see as i criticizing FLs, I also criticize MLs.

And no, I didn’t get cheated on, so don’t feel sorry for me. If I’m wrong about what I said, you can tell me “you’re wrong” and explain what is right. Don’t just say my interpretation is insane and leave it at that.

What I said is that it’s insane that she leaves him, gets married, and after 10 years she comes back, and he still waits for her indirectly , can’t move on , becomes an alcoholic, and she acts like she didn’t do anything wrong. Show me where I’m wrong, and believe me , if I am wrong, I will correct my opinion.

I’m not saying this because I hate women or men. It’s because I don’t enjoy watching simps or toxic FLs or MLs. That’s it. It’s all about the show, not women or men.( and if you want to discuss that it's okay , but I believe you don't , so let us only on the show)

Just like you probably don’t like watching weak, doormat FLs with toxic MLs I suppose , I don’t like watching simps or MLs without personality or dignity that do everything in the relationship and before and after while fl act like she's the princess needs saving and she don't do wrong . That’s all.

don't blame me you giver me the permission 😅😂

Thank you. I agree with you that it’s the man’s job to pursue the woman, but what is her role? Just to accept him?
This is exactly what I have a problem with. I like being a traditional man, but if you do this with a modern woman, it feels like simping to me , because you do everything while getting nothing in return.

We see in this drama the ML cooking, cleaning the dishes , and taking care of her because of her suffering. But what did she do for him when she knew he suffered and became an alcoholic because of her? She blamed him and said, “Do you say it's my fault!?”
Is this how you support the person you love? And is this how you apologize?

I disagree with you when you say it’s not her business how he dealt with the breakup. It wasn’t even a breakup. She left without ending things properly and she did it twice, not just once. She didn’t care to explain anything. If it’s not her business? why does she come back to him, forcing herself into his life, expecting him to accept her and act like nothing happened?

And no one said that a traditional woman means she is uneducated, can’t work, or has to be weak. She can be the strongest woman outside, but still do her duties like the traditional man doing,
Just like in dramas: MLs are strong, CEOs, cold to the world but with the FL, he is soft, caring, loves her unconditionally, does everything to please her, and tolerates many things that would make any man angry. He lets it go because he loves her.

But I rarely see an FL like this. Except for a few K-dramas and C-dramas I’ve watched, most of the time it’s just the ML doing everything. That’s why I stopped watching dramas, unfortunately.

And this isn’t only how others see traditional women like you said or she needs a man . I argue that even women themselves are being programmed by modern feminism to think that doing things for your man is weakness, that it puts you beneath him, and that you should have extremely high standards either he treats you like a princess, or you don’t accept him, and it’s 2025, now one-night stands are considered normal
, And believe me I know what you're talking about how the society see the traditional single woman but how someone sees me is not my value or I need to do what they say , because you never make them stop if you did what they want,

Being strong has nothing to do with working a 9-to-5 job, Reducing strength or your value to career only is shallow and I believe you agree with me, and you know how this mindset is being used to create more workers and more taxes. Some even say this was planned. It’s a long discussion about feminism: how it started, its benefits, and its consequences.

I agree with you women often don’t notice this imbalance. They only react when FLs are weak, dormant, or damsels in distress 😅. Everyone sees what benefits them and what hurts them. That’s why you see so many different opinions about calling an ML a “simp” or a “green flag” 🙂.

About her not apologizing , yes, we can find many excuses for her. I could write a long paragraph explaining her point of view. But in reality, she is toxic. Her reasons do not give her the right to make someone else suffer without considering his feelings and situation.

About the dramas you mentioned, I disagree that the FLs were good to the MLs , especially Queen of Tears and Welcome to Samdal-ri.
In the later one, everything revolved around her , the ML existed only to make her happy, help her, and love her unconditionally. His dream at the end was just so she could work peacefully, without him having to give up his job again and follow her to the city. What did she ever do for him? He never needed her for anything except being with her. I don’t remember her doing something meaningful for him , except sacrifice and breaking up with him because his father didn’t want her even that he also did same thing for her 🙃.

And that drama has one of the worst confession scenes I’ve ever seen in K-dramas. When she confessed her love, her “proof” was that she tried to forget him by dating many men and when she was with them she thinks about him and she acting like she suffered more than him, while he stayed single, waiting for her, watching her with other men and defending her from her ex . 🤬😂😂.

As for Queen of Tears, it’s the perfect example of what we discussed earlier. He is “the man” everywhere else, but in front of the FL, he is weak, afraid, almost like a servant to her family blamed for everything. And I won’t even start on the stupid plot at the end. I honestly don’t understand how they thought that was okay after the surgery. It was a complete waste of time. And at the end, the poor ML still suffers she dies first, lol.

The other drama I didn’t watch, but I read that the FL never apologized for making him lose his memories of her. Later, she blamed him for forgetting her and he apologized for it 🤦‍♂️.

So you see even when dramas do some good things, there are always more bad things that the ML has to tolerate. And when I say “ML,” I really mean the viewer me 😂😅. Because the MLs themselves never have a problem; the writers make them think like simps, where the FL’s mistakes don’t matter as long as she’s with him.

That’s why I like Road Home (C-drama), It’s Okay, That’s Love (K-drama), Romance of the Evil Flower, and Forever and Ever (C-drama). One C-drama that made the FL act like the ML was Princess and Lighter. (I disliked the ML once if you watched it, you know the jealousy scene 😮‍💨.)
And there’s another K-drama I like because the FL loved the ML deeply, always apologized for her mistakes it's: her private life.

Anyway, I got carried away again 😅.
I honestly enjoy discussions like this more than the dramas themselves. At least here, I don’t get frustrated over what the ML or FL should or shouldn’t do.

Have a good night

I can’t agree more when it’s a father or a husband taking care of his wife when she truly deserves it. Like the drama picture on my profile , the ML washing her feet was a beautiful scene. It showed care, love, and responsibility.

But in this case, I don’t think she deserves that kind of treatment. That’s why I said it makes him beneath her, when someone keeps giving without receiving anything similar in return , it’s not a romantic relationship anymore it becomes something toxic. and we see that she's really toxic and childish in her thinking

This is very different from the relationship between a father and his daughter, his “princess,” who deserves the world in his eyes. Any normal father feels that way, and do everything he can to make her happy

sorry for the long paragraph 😅 I forget myself ranting.

I agree with some of your points, but her loving him more is possible. However, actions don’t show that. Even if she loves him more, it has no meaning if it’s not shown through her actions. And like you said, he does all that genuinely because he loves her and wants to make her life easier , but why is he the only one doing that!? Is he the only one in love!? and you will agree with me that there no fl in recent kdrama that do a lot for ml without waiting anything from him !? and why always fl that have another relationship after breakup or before being with ml , but ml is virgin or he had a relationship they don't even show !!

And I didn’t talk about being friends with an ex while having a relationship it's crazy if someone accept it (this is not even a discussion for me). I’m talking about being with her after what she did to him. Whether there is another woman or not, at least until she apologizes for what she did, then maybe be friends who just say hi sometimes, lol. But to be her protector and helper, tolerate her toxicity, her high voice, and her blaming him as if she’s perfect as if what he suffered is not because of her is mind-blowing.

And this is not even about a romantic relationship. Even in a platonic relationship, if someone acts like her and someone still stays friends with them, he doesn’t respect himself. So he deserves to be treated like a toy for their pleasure and happiness.

Yes, it’s not supposed to be realistic, but why is it that in these K-dramas, men are supposed to be simps to be considered great partners, while female leads are independent, open-minded, may have had multiple relationships before, and don’t do anything for the male lead , yet he still has to worship her, or else he doesn’t love her enough? I argue that most viewers see this double standard: MLs are expected to be traditional men with modern feminism about what tradition, while FLs are feminist to a degree, wanting the man to do everything, and She doesn’t apologize or make any effort to make the ML happy and act like she deserve the moon and her accept to be with ml is enough for him to be happy , and you can see this double standard how they write fl dealing with sml that for some like this fl in other kdramas, if sml did something like this he lose her to the ml ( and again with the circle of him being simp and ....) this what romance kdramas recently
one of the kdrama have a equal relationship and ml have personality and dignity is: " it's okay that's love " I liked how ml treated fl when she wants to play with him like this toxic fl here, but he stopped her , and have self respect, till she apologize and take first step.

so, is she apologized, like you hope to him for what she did , or they didn't even talk about it and it's just normal for fl to make ml suffer nearly get PTSD, and later he has to apologize and she only take him back after he learn his lesson 🤣😅

MLs are weak and simps only when dealing with the FL, but when it comes to protecting her or in other situations, he suddenly becomes “the man.” That’s because this is what makes most viewers like him and see him as manly and strong. So when he turns into a weak simp toward the FL, it shows that she controls him, directly or indirectly, and makes him simp for her, and like I see women like men have no ego she can play with him like she wants and he do everything to please her even if she don't do anything for him , and it's only acceptable if it's the ml doing it but not fls .

But in my opinion, I would never stay in any kind of relationship with her if she were my ex. That’s what a man with dignity and backbone would do, not simping and defend her , especially from the man she married after leaving him without saying anything. He suffered because of her and even became an alcoholic until he ended up in the hospital. And what’s worse is that she doesn’t even apologize or feel guilty about it. Instead, she blames him for being weak and he can't move on from her .

She can’t even communicate when she’s standing right in front of him, and you expect she can use a phone for that ? lol. She’s a toxic person and he’s a weak simp so yeah, they’re meant for each other. She didn’t even apologize and still blames him for being a weak man who suffered because she left him, acting like it’s not her fault at all.
And like you said to justify her , they’ll make her life as messy as her personality, so he can help her, blame himself for not going to her earlier, and feel guilty for having some ego just like they did in Love Next Door lol. and what more convincing than a toxic ex husband and suicidal thoughts to make anyone felt sorry for her , and ml to worship her .

So why is it always the FL who’s allowed to move on by being with another man, while the ML either doesn’t move on at all or, if he does, he still doesn’t do it with another woman and just stays single? I almost lost my mind 🤯 when the FL in a recent K-drama told the ML, “I tried to forget you by being with many men, but I couldn’t always think why it's not you ,” and then he cried because she suffered knowing he was single for 8 years waiting for her never forget her and always supporting her from behind and happy for her , while she was trying to forget him by being with other men .and they say both love each other the same and she act like she suffered lol
And the worst part? Before coming back to him, she was already in a relationship and if that man hadn’t cheated on her, she wouldn’t have thought about the ML at all

Simps, criminals, and toxic behavior mls ,
this isn’t indirect , it’s a direct attack on men, in my opinion, meant to degrade them. Most of these writers have a toxic feminist mindset, and many viewers like MLs who are simps with no self-respect, like this shitty ML who stopped his life for a toxic woman, becomes an alcoholic, can’t be with another woman, and still accepts her and helps her deal with her ex-husband.
She doesn’t even try to apologize and still blames him, because he’s a weak man who suffered because of her. But her apologizing for that? No, apparently it’s not her fault. And she’s 38, yet still childish and lacking basic common sense. and the joke is that saying she tried to move on by marry another man , but when they try ml to move on they don't give him also another woman no , just alcohol and suffering in silent, like another kdrama welcome to smadal or whatever the name is , the ml.was waiting for 8 years supporting her from behind and watch her and never think to move on, but she dating many men trying to forget him and she didn't go back till her ex cheated and she failed on her job because of that, and he still accept her and help her and he's the one who take first step to be together again, mls in kdrama and Cdrama just there to be a doll that please fls and make them happy

When you define what a “man” is from a woman’s perspective like this, you end up with a simp with no dignity or self-respect—someone who’s expected to love a woman even if she’s toxic, leaves him twice, gets married, then comes back with her ex’s problems that he has to help her solve, and still loves her without her appreciating it or apologizing for what she did.

Is this what a “real man” is supposed to be,!?

he will be worst believe me this a kdrama so mls have no right to have self respect or personality, they just write them to love fls and worship them , and tolerate anything from them , even when fl get married still waiting for years without moving on and when she get back he will sacrifice his life for her again and again to help her , and she don't even appreciate it or apologize for what she's doing, or change her shitty personality for him , but he will say to her at the end I love you even if you're like this , it's a cliche in kdrama, and it's romantic to make mls simps without personality.

I can't believe someone else said this , I find myself alone against majority of viewers when I'm talking about this mls degrading to just simps that have no life out of loving fl and think about her , and simping even when she make his life like shit, he still apologizing but she never apologize or even see that she's a toxic person more than her ex husband, why when sml do.this in other kdramas fl find ml that she likes also but when this toxic fl did it ml still waiting for how many years single while she's married and when she comes back he just get mad a little and later he even wash her feet and help her with her ex husband and flex that he's flirting with her !?

I completely agree with you.

She’s a toxic person who needs professional help, and here we have a weak-ass simp with no self-respect.
Like you said, she contradicts herself in the same sentence many times , she blames him for something, and then blames him again if he actually does it. She wants him to be her dog: just follow her without saying anything, do whatever she wants, be there when she wants, and kiss her when she wants , so she can forget her bad marriage and whatever happened to her.

And I bet she won’t apologize for many things if she ever apologizes at all. Instead, they just show her past far from him , that makes it look like she suffered more than him,oh boy if she did it for him she will be a saint and he will end up blaming himself and apologizing. This is a fact. Just wait and you’ll see him blaming himself for what happened to her ,exactly like Love Next Door and many other K-dramas.

This happens because they write MLs without personality, dignity, or backbonejust a simp who can’t be with anyone except his toxic ex and who tolerates everything from her. Even when she marries another man, he waits for years, stays single, and then helps her deal with her ex-husband because “he’s more toxic than her.” And what makes it even worse is that she never treats her toxic husband the way she treats the ML she acts like a little kitty who can’t defend herself.

Honestly, I think they just want to make men look like shit in these dramas and teach them to accept anything from the woman they love. The only thing they haven’t turned into a “romance” yet is a FL with multiple baby daddies and three or four kids, being toxic, while the ML falls for her, does everything for her, and fights the deadbeat baby daddies 🤣😅🤣

Another simp who doesn’t have a backbone or self-respect, and a toxic FL who acts like the most annoying person with the ML, but with her ex she’s like a little kitty who can’t defend herself and needs the ML to protect her.

And I realized that when they want to make MLs look “under” FLs, they make them wash her feet, help her wear shoes, and say it’s romantic. But why do we never see a FL do that for the ML? Wash his feet or help him wear his shoes out of love? lol.

I forget they don’t even apologize for their mistakes.
And the double standard of the majority of viewers is mind-blowing. When a SML in other dramas does what she did and leaves without saying anything, viewers say it’s toxic and that the FL shouldn’t go back to him even when he apologizes and makes an effort for her to forgive him ,
But here, she did that, made him suffer so much, even married another man, and then came back with no apology, still acting like she did nothing wrong and somehow he’s at fault . and he’s not allowed to blame her because she “also suffered” with her toxic husband 🤡🤡🤡🤡 and he should be sorry for her , and when he was crying about how she makes him suffer her cry was of a toxic person that wants to make it looks like she's in pain for him , but still she holds it like crying for him is weakness and show her stupid decisions consequences.

And viewers make excuses, saying it’s his fault too, and that because she went through this and that, he should be a “green-flag” simp, stay silent, and help her with her problems , or else he’s not a" man.” and see she also love him by holding of his picture and never forget him and she get back after years and years to be with him , if he don't accept it he's a toxic person don't deserve her lol

sorry for bothering you it's my fault.

what exact situation!? if you can make it clear for me thank you!? so I can respond to it right

That’s simping, not love. So if you love someone, he can take advantage of that? When he makes a mistake, you’re supposed to forgive him without him apologizing, because if you don’t, it means you don’t love him enough or truly love him!?

This is narcissistic, toxic behavior: he makes the mistake, and if you don’t forgive him immediately, you’re accused of not loving him. He doesn’t need to apologize at all you’re the one who has to take the first step and not even wait for him to ask for another chance 🙄🙄🙄🙄

and I advice anyone that do something like what you said to have some self respect and standards because he will regret following his blind heart

lol that’s in all C-dramas mostly . The FL always decides what she wants to do, and she loves the ML less than she loved her ex. This is common sense in C-dramas. And in some shows like Hidden Love, Princess and Lighter, and Forever and Ever, the FLs loved more and did more, and road home and that’s it for the drama I know fls do more effort than mls and loved mls more in some aspects .

That’s one of the reasons, personally, why I stopped watching C-dramas, unfortunately. The MLs have no dignity or backbone—just waiting for years. Even if she breaks up with him, he still takes the first step toward her and forgives her like she didn’t do anything. You can even feel that she doesn’t care if she never gets back with the ML( without him doing everything to get back they never be together again) ,
but the ML, for years, never even thinks about being with another woman or forgetting her. Meanwhile, FLs most of the time date, or at least have a couple of love interests ( that later make ml act like a teenager and get jealous and make himself a joke because of it ) , and live their lives like they never knew the ML or broke his heart , and master how to hide their feelings and play hard to get , and act like the hero who don't want his grace to be known , so when ml know the reason for her decision will love her more ( even if he can't because from start he love her unconditionally lol ) .