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With just one word of praise from her, he falls on his face for her and accepts being her pawn — she moves him however she likes. Even when she takes advantage of him, he just goes silent and lets her do it. But when he does something she doesn't like, she takes revenge on him. When he stops trusting her, she gets angry at him. And when she takes advantage of his trust, he just has to take the L, apologize, and feel guilty — while she never does the same.

Still, they call him the "ruthless general" and her the "innocent, kind woman." Lol.
I dropped it because I hate simping,
so how you find it I get that you like the romance!! so is what he did not simping!? or fl did simp also so it's even between them !? at least at the other half of drama because first half she only used him like a pawn for me .

From some clips I’ve watched, this guy should be called a good simp — a good loser!
I hate male leads without dignity or a backbone.
And if you think about it, he's like a “good boy,” the way you say it to a dog when it obeys an order: “Good boy!”

I'm only talking about the roamce and noth anything else because I did watch it , he's really a good loser ,

but I bet flnis not even close to his greatness bit still they make her look like she's better than him and she's more good than him lol in time she take revenge on mlmfor every thing he did against her family even trying to do so she take revenge but him wants Revenge was bad and when he stops think about revenge for people they again appreciate fl for make him not him lol tell me it's a Cdrama about fl without telling me,

I'm with you—I hate love triangles and second male leads (SMLs). And those who say "it's not a love triangle just because the SML loves the FL" are the same people who claim that the SML is only there to make the ML jealous so he’ll be afraid to lose her and finally confess. They say, "It’s only a love triangle if the FL likes him back!" — but that’s not true at all, especially in C-dramas and K-dramas.

The SML loves the FL and acts annoyingly just to stay close to her—especially when the FL is written to be so dumb and clueless that she treats him like a friend or even like a mother would, completely unaware of his feelings or her own husband's feelings. Meanwhile, the ML is sitting there, all jealous, acting like a loser, watching his wife smiling and happy around another man. Even if she doesn’t love the SML, she’s still close to him and does things that make the ML jealous—so yes, it's a love triangle.

And seriously, how can a supposedly smart FL not notice the difference in how the SML acts around her compared to how he acts with others? You’d think she’d at least suspect he has feelings for her. But no—she can read her enemies’ faces and emotions like a master strategist, yet somehow her own husband's jealousy or the SML's obvious love completely fly over her head?! Like, really!?

You just gave me another reason to dislike this drama—on top of the ML being a loser in love and the FL, as always, never apologizing and always being "right" 😒🙃😅.

and what is more frustrating is this fl have sun tzu mind but she still didn't think that may he's loving her and she has to distance herself from him and she act clueless about ml feelings seeing her with sml also, it's so annoying, and more how ml take it like ohh you love my wife it's okay just don't act in it and try to stop it 🙃😒😒😒

But the love triangle in C-dramas and K-dramas is usually when the second male lead (SML) loves the female lead (FL), becomes annoying, and the FL still stays close to him, treats him kindly, and acts like a friend. And somehow, this FL—with all her Sun Tzu-level mind—still doesn’t think that he might love her. She ends up making the male lead (ML) jealous, whether directly or indirectly.

The SML also takes advantage of that to get close to her. This is what a love triangle means to the majority of viewers. But what you're talking about is the toxic type of love triangle, which actually isn’t present in many dramas, because it’s not acceptable to most viewers. So they go with this kind of love triangle, where only the SML or SFL is the one in love with the lead.

that is correct definition but in Cdrama and kdrama love triangle is a close man around fl that love her a d take advantage of her cluelessness to be around her and make ml jealous and act like he has some right to speak about her like he did with ml and how he make ml look like he's insucure and wrong for saying to him stop liking my wife and have distance with her

It's a C-drama. Unfortunately, it's only for women who like to see "women empowerment" and men being degraded 😅. They write the female leads as nearly perfect—actually, I’d bet they're always perfect. Even when she makes a big mistake and the male lead gets mad, she somehow has every right to do it. And in the end, he is the one who apologizes more than she does just for getting upset 😅.

They always give the FL a good reason for her actions, and it's always because the ML is evil or bad 😅🤣. When she does something bad or tricks him, he just takes the L and moves on. But whenever he does something she doesn’t like, she makes him pay for it until he apologizes and puts in the effort to make it up to her. Only then does she "forgive" him.

Obviously, she takes advantage of this. She benefits her clan by using him, yet he never does anything in return. She easily gains his trust again, even though she’s technically his enemy. She always says, "We're a married couple," and blames him for not thinking like her—but in truth, she doesn’t think like him either. She gains way more from the marriage than he does. From the very beginning, she accepted that she would use his love to protect her family and get what she could, just like her grandfather advised her. But she didn’t follow his other advice: to treat him well and be a good wife!

I stopped watching C-dramas because of this—like you said, the dynamics are illogical and unrealistic. How can you respect your family’s killer? How can you protect them and change your life-long revenge plan just because of a woman who tricked you for her family’s benefit?

She never even considers how miserable he must feel because of her family. Every time he does something wrong, she gets revenge. But if he wants revenge, he’s portrayed as evil and heartless 😅😅. It’s a FL-centric drama, so don’t expect the man to be anything other than a loser simp who exists only to make the FL happy—and be a submissive loving husband that has no opinion different from her or it's always her opinion is right,

without talking hiw they make her have supper powers ( even more smart than sun tzu) in seconds she thinks of plans to win wars and cities without moving from her place, like her enemies is just pawn on her hands that she play with,from her husband till his servants lol even when they ml look Smart she use his smartness against him and win over him and he just take the L and fall for her 🤣😅

LOL, you gave me another reason not to watch it 😂. And what I meant by 'simp' is after he falls for her — because there's no simping when there's hatred 😅🙃. I do feel sorry for her, bubo, but remember she had her grandfather’s debt — and that’s nothing compared to the fact that she betrayed his family. His father, grandfather, and brother all got killed while he was watching. So some rain, a bit of choking, and a little scratch? That’s nothing. In the end, she wins, and he forgives them, she suffer a little bit for that it's a good bargain in my opinion don't you think that!?

Thanks for elaborating, and sorry for taking up your time. Also, you misunderstood what I meant in the last part. Yes, I do want the ML to act like the FL — I don’t want him to act silly because of jealousy, and I don’t want him to show it, just like they make the FL not show it and end up making a joke of herself.

I’ve read many comments laughing at the ML because he’s jealous, but I’ve never read even one about her being jealous. I’ve seen lots of comments saying that she made him learn to be submissive and fall deeply for her — and how he’s fated to be her simp. These are comments that praise him, not bash him 😅. But I haven’t read anything saying she did something like that in return.

And I’ve been reading comments from the start from time to time.

I don’t want the ML to be like that — I just want the FL to also act silly, jealous, and insecure like he does. Not always perfect. Even when she is jealous (like in Blue Moon), she acts like nothing happened 😅.

Let’s just end it here, because I know for a fact you won’t understand — since this is the kind of story that’s perfect for you and the majority of viewers. You watch to see a strong, independent, smart FL and a handsome, green-flag ML fall in love, so it’s perfect. But to me, him acting out of character and being silly from jealousy — like that stupid scene where he’s jealous of the painter with big arms, and then acting weird around his wife because the painter fall for her beauty (who doesn’t even understand what’s going on) , so I get it because I also get why they make anime like they do because majority of viewers are men so they use the fantasies they dream about 😅🤣

if you watch road home drama and forever and ever and princess and lighter, and intense love, a the sword and the brocade cdrama ( even first half is how she's think he's evil and misunderstood him but she changed and Loved him deeply) this dramas I like how the relationships and how fls do everything for ml and love them unconditionally like mls did , specially road home my favorite drama because of how fl Loved ml and how she have boundaries and emotional intelligence and she show her love always.

have a good night and sorry for bothering you or if I offend you, by

Thanks! Can you mention a mistake the female lead made where she actually apologized to the male lead, made it up to him, and was afraid of losing him because of it — besides the tunnel scene?

I really want to see a female lead who’s not nearly perfect or always smarter than everyone else, especially the male lead. I want to see an equal relationship, where the female lead also loves the male lead the way he loves her — not where she always has more important things than him, while he always puts her first.

If you’ve watched Road Home, that drama has one of the best relationships I’ve seen in a C-drama. And it shows that doing “simp” things isn’t always simping — the male lead does it because the female lead actually deserves the best treatment, because she loves him deeply and puts him first too. Not like the usual setup where the male lead is always simping over a female lead who still has her ex around or treats her job as more important than him.

And I noticed in this drama too — the female lead never really puts the male lead first. Her family always comes first (even though he is part of her family now 🙃).and again he say he likes her making he family first even if he's second lol

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I also don’t like that he went through with it. I don’t like abuse scenes in general, especially slapping scenes, because they’re used too often in C-dramas — and the male leads usually act like it’s nothing and still chase after the female leads, like in the C-drama Sweet Love, lol.

And I get that it’s often shown as justified when the female lead slaps the male lead if he does something wrong — but then, is it okay for the male lead to do the same if she does something wrong? You see how it’s acceptable for her to slap him because he made a mistake, but if he did the same, it would suddenly be seen as unacceptable? That’s what I don’t like about female-lead-centric C-dramas. They always make her nearly perfect, and the male lead is always portrayed as wrong — even when he’s not.

He’s always the one to take the first step to reconcile, to apologize — even when she’s the one who made the mistake and act silly Because he misses her but she don't do anything like him always with her serious face and smart mind thinking lol

sorry for rants and take your time and thank you have a good night

Thank you, I appreciate it. I understand that he did something wrong to her, but that’s not a reason to slap him — because if that’s the standard, then she also deserves to be slapped at times, right? 😅🤣

And it’s not just about that one scene — it’s because this is clearly a female-lead-centric drama. They make her nearly perfect, with a mind like Sun Tzu’s, so the male lead never really has a chance to win against her in anything 😅🤣. I like dramas when the male lead is also charismatic and think before acting out of emotions, and actually wins some “wars” against her — not when he’s always made to look stupid and weak just because she’s so much smarter.

So for me, it’s all about equality. Even in love — he loves her unconditionally, while she loves him more with her mind. They always make the male lead look silly and insecure when he gets jealous (which I know is a favorite for the majority of viewers, who are women), but I personally don’t like that. It just makes him look like a loser. And what’s more frustrating is that they never make the female lead act like that — she’s never the one who’s jealous or insecure to the point of acting ridiculous. It’s always the male lead. That’s one of the main reasons I stopped watching C-dramas.

I started this one only because I saw a comment saying that it’s different and that the male lead isn’t the typical cliché simp loser. But after doing some research, I found that he’s just a little better — but still, he falls for her first and much harder, apologizes even when he’s not wrong, completely changes himself for her, and does what she likes even if it means sacrificing himself for the very people responsible for his family’s death. So now I’m just watching it to see how far they’ll go in making him look like a loser in front of her 🤣😅. Even his own men laugh at him for getting beaten by his wife — both before and after they got together!

I enjoyed writing about this drama more than watching the first two episodes lol I will binge watching it and a day or two I will complete it , have a good night

And now you're saying things I never said!? I was wrong about that scene, and a friend explained it to me — that's it. I never said anything about virginity. Another friend also explained to me that the story takes place over a year, starting from enemies to lovers, so it made sense that he wouldn't sleep with her while still confused about his promises.

And yes, maybe you're right. From what I've seen, there’s no real equality in this drama. It’s all about the female lead, and they show how she beats him at everything — war, strategy, tricks, and even love. So he’s always beneath her. He’s not as smart, and they make him look foolish many times — like the scene where he tricked her to win the city, but lost it quickly, and she was the one who gave it back to him. She even saved his family, so now he owes her. But I don’t blame him — they gave her "Sun Tzu-level" superpowers, so he never had a chance to win against her in anything 😅🤣🤣🤣🤣.

Have a good day! And believe me, I wish I were wrong. I hope she’s not really like how I described, because I love seeing equality in dramas and relationships. I don’t like it when the male lead acts like a simp or becomes a joke — being jealous, insecure, and acting like a teenager in love instead of a strong, smart, cold general. It just doesn’t suit him.

If you’ve seen the drama Road Home, that was the perfect male lead I like to watch. Yes, he cared for the female lead deeply — even washing her feet — but she deserved that treatment. Not like this drama, where he does everything just because he fell in love, and she always beats him with her intelligence. He ends up looking like a loser in front of her (at least in my opinion).

I think a lot of people like how she always wins and how she’s training him to be a submissive, unconditionally loving partner who gives up everything for her 😅🤣. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing — I know they make these dramas for you all (since most viewers are women), so enjoy it! Just like how most anime is made to appeal to men.

and sorry if I offend anyone and for bothering you , have a good night

thanks so what is the timestamp for that scene if you remember or can help me about it thank you 🤗
at least it will make me watch it with less disliking fl lol

thank you, maybe you're right about now to force myself, but I don't think I be surprised by any Cdramas writers like this that makes fl perfect and ml change because he fall in love and she make him look stupid because she's too much smarter like sun tzu 🤗😅

I’ll watch it and show you the evidence of how their love isn’t equal — how he changed for her, but she never did. I bet it’s not like you said, but to me, the male lead loves her more than she loves him. His love is unconditional, but her unconditional love is only for her family. When it comes to him, if it's a choice between him and her family, she’ll always sacrifice him.
Maybe I’m wrong to think this drama is like most C-dramas, with the same repetitive plot. I really hope I’m wrong — because I stopped watching C-dramas since the male leads always act like simps with no dignity, chasing after female leads who have more important things to do than love them back the same way

I get that I talked without watch it is weird but trust me I read a lot about it and I was following comments here about it also because I like to read about dramas more than watch it 🙃😅🤗
sorry for bothering you and for long comments,
have a good night

I just watch her coward grandfather advise for her if she make ml captivated she has to benefits from it and take more to her caln lol what a 🤡 he even after all this tstill wants to benefits from ml's family lol I get how he didn't help his friend now he's only see his family even if he will sacrifice others for it 😅 and they make it like he's a hero and a good person a d she admire him !? but when ml want what benefits his family he's evil and wrong to take revenge 😅

I think she accepted taking on her grandfather’s debt with a smile, so for her to act like she didn’t do anything wrong is hypocritical. What the ML did is nothing compared to what her grandfather did. And a big thing people forget is that his father, grandfather, and brother died because of her “hero” grandfather’s betrayal! So what did she expect him to do? Welcome her with open arms and say, “I appreciate you taking on your grandfather’s debt—let’s be a happy husband and wife”?

She gets upset at him for what he did—so what is he supposed to feel about her and her family, considering the betrayal and the deaths that resulted from it? Honestly, I still don’t understand how he even forgave them and fell in love with her 😅. If I were in his place, sorry, I would’ve taken their land and made them pay for what they did—and then let’s see if she would still fall in love with me!

But no—they made him fall for her despite everything her family did. He even broke the promise he made to his own family just because he loved her—and not just any kind of love, but an unconditional one. He didn’t even consider the possibility that she might take advantage of that love (which she did—by not trusting him after everything he did for her and by hiding secrets from him). And again, he ends up understanding her and even apologizes like he’s the one who did something wrong for feeling hurt that she didn’t trust him 🤣😅.
imagine if it's ml family who betrayed her family I bet all drama he will apologizing and she act cold towards him. making him suffer and take revenge and she will not stop till nearly killed him for what his family did , and still he has to win her a and he will be also the first to fall and harder and has to fight with other smls to win her , this is Cdramas writing style always fls right and perfect and mls has to change for them 😅

If you read my comments, I said I don't like abuse scenes from either side. I commented on her slap because I read about it and watched the scene before it—when she chose him over the man she was liking and was going to marry. But I read in the comments that she slapped him after running to him, and I dislike how everyone in the comments was laughing at him getting slapped. That made me dislike the scene even more, so I don't want to watch it—and that's it.

I also asked for the timestamp, but no one has mentioned it to me yet. 🤗

And him grabbing her by the neck is not okay either. From watching many C-dramas, I realized that FLs often slap MLs and MLs choke them. But you'll never see a scene where a ML slaps a FL and doesn't have to apologize—or where the FL doesn't take revenge. Yet choking the FL is treated like it's no big deal.

The difference is, MLs usually apologize many times for doing that, but you’ll almost never see a FL apologize for slapping the ML. I dislike Chinese writers for this because they can’t seem to create equality when it comes to these abusive clichés. The ML is almost never treated equally to the FL. The FL is always portrayed as perfect, and the ML has to "worship" her just because she agreed to be his woman—lol. And not just that—almost every man in the drama falls for her, not just the ML. It’s like she’s the only woman who exists in their world, while the ML always loves her like he’s never seen another woman before.

And I think you’ve watched many C-dramas too, so you know: MLs always love unconditionally, but FLs always seem to love other things more than the ML. They love the MLs with their minds, not just their hearts—unlike how MLs love.

🙃😮‍💨 Sorry for the long comment, it’s just a topic that really frustrates me. And it’s because of all this—and how most men characters of the dramas fall for FLs like they've never seen another woman—that I stopped watching C-dramas. I wanted to watch this one, I’ll force myself, and maybe I’ll finally see a FL who loves the ML the way he loves her—and actually puts in effort for him, not just because it benefits her to
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