I'm confused, why can't people complain about shows they love?? Can someone explain like I'm 5 because I don't…
Okay, so I am a complex human being and I do complain about shows I love. I critically see them and I assess them as such. There are definitely things I have a blind spot about, and there are definitely things I see way more clearly than other people. But my tough love is definitely my passionate, relaxing tough love. Since I see that many people are more straightforward on a certain line and, when they love, they only say praise about what they see and like, I don't know if they know or see the shortcomings. Sometimes I feel like they might not, or they might intentionally avoid them — to the point where they would argue and hate you if you are the one who speaks up, even in a good way, meaning well.
From that point, I always try to make sure people know that I do it out of professionalism. I am gonna say the negative things I think about it, but my standpoint is supporting the boy love genre and supporting the actors who portray characters in it. I am not a fan of anyone anymore for personal reasons. But I am more lenient toward the genre that is my favorite than I would be if it was a genre that I despise or hate or don't like, or see and perceive as a normal person.
And so the problem you are hitting on, I believe, is that sometimes on the internet we stop seeing the signs of doing something too much or to too big of an extent. So sometimes those who actually mean well but start to only criticize — and they are too much into criticizing — kind of, without even their own will, start to be the haters. And sometimes those who just like the shows might be perceived by the outside world as fans, even though they might not be.
Overall, I would say that in these circumstances we are in now, people try to support the projects, and because of that they try to limit or eliminate negative things about them — because it's part of the presentation of the project. And because we are in big competition, and because there are always going to be people who mean not well but bad, wrong, and are actual haters and try to take revenge over something through something else. And then it gets all over the place and over-emotional and starts to get problematic in all the wrong places. So the gatekeepers of the positive image of the projects start to be very strict — like, you can only praise and say good things about the project. Otherwise, you are a hater. Because that dual black-and-white mentality is way easier and more easily recognizable for a “normal” person who doesn’t have time to decipher who means what, but only takes for granted what is written. It’s just easier if you say and see good things about the project.
So we polarized insanely. We either hate or love, and there is nothing in between. There is nothing in between. That is why, I believe, people come to think that you can’t complain about shows you love. But they absolutely can complain about shows they love. They can complain about actors they love. They can complain about characters they love. It’s not about that — it’s about the positive picture. Like, the internet these days and the people who participate in it are extreme, extremists even, and start to behave like a nation of marketing gatekeepers to these projects.
And then, of course, comes all the stuff about people starting to complain before the time — which means they don’t first watch the episodes and start to complain right away, which just sours the experience for everyone. And it’s not a good approach. But then again, if you’re an impatient type of person or if you have impatience in yourself, it’s understandable that you have your opinions on things. But from the other side, it’s very tiring seeing complaints all the time about stuff that isn’t finished yet. And it sometimes starts to look as if you are from the camp of haters who don’t do it because they dislike the episode or the series, but because they want to praise something else — and they’re doing it through hatred of the project that is airing.
And then when it starts to be middlemen over middlemen over middlemen, it starts to be very confusing for everyone. And people again try to simplify stuff around it. So that’s definitely another part of the equation.
And so there is this difference between your emotions, self-presentation, and presentation of your thoughts, ideas, and emotions. And that is where all these strange notions about love and complaints not coexisting come from. Like, I don’t know — I am not a flat personality. I can’t only love or only hate. It’s a very strange concept for me that someone these days would believe something like that.
And if what is being answered to you this whole time was true, then criticism or critics would not exist. You usually don’t start to be a critic of someone or something without first loving someone or something. In short, you need to be interested in it first. And you have to have some experience and not see it one-dimensionally to be able to do that.
By the way, I am both. If I want something uncritical, I don’t even read the comment section. Like, if I love something and I know I love it and I need to use it, for example, for writing, I’m not gonna go into criticism. But if I am moderately enough controlled, I have a grip on myself, and I want to explore this area of criticism — what can be criticized, what is to be assessed and valued and rated — I’m gonna, if I want to, of course, check out what people have problems with. But I try these days to avoid doing it with things I love uncritically. Because if you love something uncritically, there is no space for you to do this. And you shouldn’t, to be honest. You should have some safe spaces, too.
But it does not mean exclusively having only those. Sometimes you need to criticize something because you don’t only get praise from the outside world — you also get feedback and bad things said about you. And to be able to evolve from that feedback, you shouldn’t base it on hatred or despising yourself. You should base it on the things you know are strong about you. Because if you go down and down and down, you can’t go any lower.
So criticism out of love, I don’t feel, is a bad thing. But criticism out of hatred just shows that you are down on your self-preservation and self-defense. Because inevitably, if you are doing it from a low place, it starts to be nasty and not honest. The good thing about criticism should be that you are being honest — with yourself and with other people. And it’s not saying that you hate it. And it’s not saying that you don’t love it. It’s saying that you see room for improvements. And I believe that is the basis of creativity. If you don’t have that, it’s understandable that you wouldn’t understand how creating new things even works.
And for those who claim the nonsense about not criticizing or not complaining about something — do you really think even this series would exist without being able and free to complain about something? Because it’s part of being complex and it’s part of creative being. The fact that you just can’t pick and find out where it was complaining and what it was complaining about just shows that you were not watching it critically. Because usually, if there is no criticism and no complaints in the whole thing, then it’s total nonsense you can’t even digest to watch. And this is not that type of series. So just go back and search for it again.
I mean, usually if you want to pass as a good person, then you do it through, !spoiler alert!, villains in the stories — and it’s complaints all the time about the stuff that you don’t like. There is nothing without complaints in this world. Or, to put it another way, you can complain about anything and everything and criticize it too. So perceiving it as a bad thing is just not a good approach.
Just complete ep-5...Really want to know how in the actual fu*k is this rated so low?!! I mean, I have seen it…
Mmm, in this case i would say maority had seen and liked more thai version, or others might not watch it because not liking the thai either, as was suggested before. I personally applaud this one. I would not say it is better than Thai first version, but i would say it stands out among bl series and I am grateful for this version and how they did not avoud explicitness. And how they saied it in doing it smooth. And unike other series i don't tend to compare it with Old-Fashioned Cupcake, which is nice for a change. :)
Desire started out poorly and has proceeded to go poorly! Thought I was the only one who thought so! Lol! They…
Yummy, and put those hands down, dear ape, we are young and yummy (33 here, so...). XD U can probably call me oppa, i personally allowed you to. :D So - always? Really?
u mean that idiotic twitter spam? XD i commented on it today; anyways - if korean, then The Time of Fever (2024),…
Hm. 🤔 Time of Fever Eh. Egrrrrrmmmm… You see there are only a few things I get obsessed with these days, and since the average or majority of Korean series I get what the first comments said and why. And I did like The Unintentional Love Story much, and it's my niche, I love what the main leads had to show me. I am not a hater of student stories at all, I don't mind any and every flavor of it despite I am more into age gaps, office romances and stuff like these and adult actors rather than kids and… well, students. There is only one I Told Sunset About You - there is only this series or story I know of that would to such extent work with sensuality throughout action and visuals. And as there is only one I Told Sunset About You, there is only one Time of Fever.
I was only slowly prepared for what is gonna come to me, but not through Unintentional Love Story, but with the help of A Breeze of Love. I did know there is potential to be deep for the second couple thanks to Unitentional Love Story - I did notice there is something. But with the constrictions of time and space we had, it being Korean, I came to terms with them being showed as flat characters and couple in this series. I had no clue the they are preparing any follow up from ULS. I had no idea that there was this original material where there is something about these two characters/side couple. And I kind of did forget about the whole series (until I found out the connection and rewatched it all again, which is again something I would not do for the series itself and it is not something I do very frequently, I more like do it nearly ever). What I try to say here is I opened it as a totally and fully new series that someone else recommended. And I watched it as a separate unit, no connections whatsoever from the original story that was filmed and released first. So it is not that if you were not into the couple in first series that it is gonna affect you in any way for watching this series. Or it might because you remember and maybe it's up totally not your thing, their story. But: I was totally completely end up absolutely giving up on Korean series in certain respects, like on-screen kisses and portrayal of BL couples. Openness, in general. And maybe one more thing I say what I want to do say and why I am writing all this: I am this type of interesting before perfect or beautiful. I am this type who is not gonna roast you if it does not make logical sense but if it doesn't make emotional sense, we are going to have issues and I am giving up on your project. Like it might have inconsistencies and logical faults and I might cry or I might try to pull out my hair out of my head, but I'm fine with that but mind you if you touch your wrongly the inside worlds of the characters, you are in big trouble. I don't require difficult stories I don't require intricate complex Storytelling or even endings that would avoid being ambiguous - I don't mind it not being a clear cut end, happy or sad. All that is fine with me. And that is why I appreciate you showing me How you in life action and body essentially through action and visuals. I can't really appreciate how difficult or simple your story is what I can appreciate is congruency in emotions and the internal logic of characters with their experiences and emotions. What you can show me through camera language besides the story is the emotions of the characters. If you do so correctly, and deep enough, and it makes sense for the characters and for the story, I will give you 10 out of 10 even if you messed up something significant from the lenses of logic itself. I am the audience who loves seeing embodied difficult emotions on camera. If you say lust, if you want then out of 10 from me, I expect lust to be embodied. Either the way I imagine it or you are gonna show me how you imagine it and improve my inner understanding of that word. Or if you don't enhance it ,you at least somehow evolve it.Let me learn new things about the word and my image of it in me. Let me see how these two characters understand their word and how it works in their dynamics, the wilder, the more passionate, the better.
If I say I learned more about sensuality through watching not only but as well I Told Sunset About You, and that is why I Promised You the Moon couldn't overcome the first season in my eyes (that plus the deep betrayal portrayed there is really hard topic, especially if we are staying in the first season lenses of sensuality and deep feelings of the two characters towards each other, the great gap made in second season could never get closed enough, healed enough after it happened, so technically you could learn more about betrayal, how it hurts and not even how, but that it could be overcomed), then with The Time of Fever, I learned more about Did combination of craving this dsire despair the pure liquid need To put it into context, it is told in times where you don't expect them anymore to be willing to show anything explicit on screen, where they avoided it at all costs, where you are given all the time dead fish kisses, where they pretend as there is no emotional life in the characters, in males, where the reputation of idols ast them being strictly straight obviously and publicly is more important than the outcome of project they agreed to a participate on, where being gay is something that is widely accepted yet what is not acceped is it being portrayed in any way realistic onscreen, not to even mention to put there the bomb of it being emotional on screen. Or just making it feel normal on screen please, just don't make every and any of the stories that started really promising and then delivering very underwhelming scenes rigidly avoiding any intimacy. And you are in the bubble of waiting for something really normal looking like, where they are not gonna entirely avoid it, where it is not being portrayed as if it is being forced on to the actors. like in the story for the story itself, expecting you are only gonna see the standard that was set since the beginning of boy love genre being shooted in Korea till now… and then in that moment without any warnings aside from it being really a good series since nearly beginning, promising and everything, like giving you No clue whatsoever there's not only they are gonna show you something that is above average in comparison to any category from any country but as well it is the first true camera visuals and acting and relationship portrayal of of the raw emotion of craving and how it manifests if you are approaching it with feelings not with Mac making calculations and manipulations. like the raw need the raw desire the action and then the consequences, back it all and send it.
And so, I am not making you go watch it. I just observe you can never calculate in advance what is going to make it, and what is gonna do it for you, and when. I think I was not watching it while it was airing, that is why I had the advantage of being able to swallow it down without logic, brain, thinking, overthinking coming in the way, messing with my purely emotional experience. For the moment of pure shock and then other surprise and then more shock and realization of what they did and how much it worked on me, I'm actually very grateful. If it is not complete rubbish I actually love stories that I engulf with emotions not with brain. It inspires me more.
And so, in retrospect, going to watch Time of Fever is more worth it than going to watch Unintentional Love Story for this specific reason. And it is very hard for me to say it and say it like this, because there, underneath, the ULS is stimulating and affecting my other sides, important ones, and in those areas, that story is very much important on its own and has deep effects, but I repeatedly went watched Time of Fever for the story, I didn't not go watch again the Unintentional Love Story for the Unintentional Love Story’s story. Even if it was a good story. It did not affect me that much at that raw places.
i'm usually not the biggest fan of short dramas since they're, well, short and most of the time the acting doesn't…
I have seen edit of it and I really liked it and then I have heard some people talking about it and I decided that I want to see it. I haven't been as far as you, I am into several seconds of it but I already like the setting the historical costumes and the premise of the story and the way the probably (?) main female lead's acting? so I will give it a go!
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Since I see that many people are more straightforward on a certain line and, when they love, they only say praise about what they see and like, I don't know if they know or see the shortcomings. Sometimes I feel like they might not, or they might intentionally avoid them — to the point where they would argue and hate you if you are the one who speaks up, even in a good way, meaning well.
From that point, I always try to make sure people know that I do it out of professionalism. I am gonna say the negative things I think about it, but my standpoint is supporting the boy love genre and supporting the actors who portray characters in it. I am not a fan of anyone anymore for personal reasons. But I am more lenient toward the genre that is my favorite than I would be if it was a genre that I despise or hate or don't like, or see and perceive as a normal person.
And so the problem you are hitting on, I believe, is that sometimes on the internet we stop seeing the signs of doing something too much or to too big of an extent. So sometimes those who actually mean well but start to only criticize — and they are too much into criticizing — kind of, without even their own will, start to be the haters. And sometimes those who just like the shows might be perceived by the outside world as fans, even though they might not be.
Overall, I would say that in these circumstances we are in now, people try to support the projects, and because of that they try to limit or eliminate negative things about them — because it's part of the presentation of the project. And because we are in big competition, and because there are always going to be people who mean not well but bad, wrong, and are actual haters and try to take revenge over something through something else. And then it gets all over the place and over-emotional and starts to get problematic in all the wrong places. So the gatekeepers of the positive image of the projects start to be very strict — like, you can only praise and say good things about the project. Otherwise, you are a hater. Because that dual black-and-white mentality is way easier and more easily recognizable for a “normal” person who doesn’t have time to decipher who means what, but only takes for granted what is written. It’s just easier if you say and see good things about the project.
So we polarized insanely. We either hate or love, and there is nothing in between. There is nothing in between. That is why, I believe, people come to think that you can’t complain about shows you love. But they absolutely can complain about shows they love. They can complain about actors they love. They can complain about characters they love. It’s not about that — it’s about the positive picture. Like, the internet these days and the people who participate in it are extreme, extremists even, and start to behave like a nation of marketing gatekeepers to these projects.
And then, of course, comes all the stuff about people starting to complain before the time — which means they don’t first watch the episodes and start to complain right away, which just sours the experience for everyone. And it’s not a good approach. But then again, if you’re an impatient type of person or if you have impatience in yourself, it’s understandable that you have your opinions on things. But from the other side, it’s very tiring seeing complaints all the time about stuff that isn’t finished yet. And it sometimes starts to look as if you are from the camp of haters who don’t do it because they dislike the episode or the series, but because they want to praise something else — and they’re doing it through hatred of the project that is airing.
And then when it starts to be middlemen over middlemen over middlemen, it starts to be very confusing for everyone. And people again try to simplify stuff around it. So that’s definitely another part of the equation.
And so there is this difference between your emotions, self-presentation, and presentation of your thoughts, ideas, and emotions. And that is where all these strange notions about love and complaints not coexisting come from. Like, I don’t know — I am not a flat personality. I can’t only love or only hate. It’s a very strange concept for me that someone these days would believe something like that.
And if what is being answered to you this whole time was true, then criticism or critics would not exist. You usually don’t start to be a critic of someone or something without first loving someone or something. In short, you need to be interested in it first. And you have to have some experience and not see it one-dimensionally to be able to do that.
By the way, I am both. If I want something uncritical, I don’t even read the comment section. Like, if I love something and I know I love it and I need to use it, for example, for writing, I’m not gonna go into criticism. But if I am moderately enough controlled, I have a grip on myself, and I want to explore this area of criticism — what can be criticized, what is to be assessed and valued and rated — I’m gonna, if I want to, of course, check out what people have problems with. But I try these days to avoid doing it with things I love uncritically. Because if you love something uncritically, there is no space for you to do this. And you shouldn’t, to be honest. You should have some safe spaces, too.
But it does not mean exclusively having only those. Sometimes you need to criticize something because you don’t only get praise from the outside world — you also get feedback and bad things said about you. And to be able to evolve from that feedback, you shouldn’t base it on hatred or despising yourself. You should base it on the things you know are strong about you. Because if you go down and down and down, you can’t go any lower.
So criticism out of love, I don’t feel, is a bad thing. But criticism out of hatred just shows that you are down on your self-preservation and self-defense. Because inevitably, if you are doing it from a low place, it starts to be nasty and not honest. The good thing about criticism should be that you are being honest — with yourself and with other people. And it’s not saying that you hate it. And it’s not saying that you don’t love it. It’s saying that you see room for improvements. And I believe that is the basis of creativity. If you don’t have that, it’s understandable that you wouldn’t understand how creating new things even works.
And for those who claim the nonsense about not criticizing or not complaining about something — do you really think even this series would exist without being able and free to complain about something? Because it’s part of being complex and it’s part of creative being. The fact that you just can’t pick and find out where it was complaining and what it was complaining about just shows that you were not watching it critically. Because usually, if there is no criticism and no complaints in the whole thing, then it’s total nonsense you can’t even digest to watch. And this is not that type of series. So just go back and search for it again.
I mean, usually if you want to pass as a good person, then you do it through, !spoiler alert!, villains in the stories — and it’s complaints all the time about the stuff that you don’t like. There is nothing without complaints in this world. Or, to put it another way, you can complain about anything and everything and criticize it too. So perceiving it as a bad thing is just not a good approach.
And I did like The Unintentional Love Story much, and it's my niche, I love what the main leads had to show me.
I am not a hater of student stories at all, I don't mind any and every flavor of it despite I am more into age gaps, office romances and stuff like these and adult actors rather than kids and… well, students.
There is only one I Told Sunset About You - there is only this series or story I know of that would to such extent work with sensuality throughout action and visuals. And as there is only one I Told Sunset About You, there is only one Time of Fever.
I was only slowly prepared for what is gonna come to me, but not through Unintentional Love Story, but with the help of A Breeze of Love.
I did know there is potential to be deep for the second couple thanks to Unitentional Love Story - I did notice there is something. But with the constrictions of time and space we had, it being Korean, I came to terms with them being showed as flat characters and couple in this series. I had no clue the they are preparing any follow up from ULS. I had no idea that there was this original material where there is something about these two characters/side couple. And I kind of did forget about the whole series (until I found out the connection and rewatched it all again, which is again something I would not do for the series itself and it is not something I do very frequently, I more like do it nearly ever).
What I try to say here is I opened it as a totally and fully new series that someone else recommended. And I watched it as a separate unit, no connections whatsoever from the original story that was filmed and released first.
So it is not that if you were not into the couple in first series that it is gonna affect you in any way for watching this series. Or it might because you remember and maybe it's up totally not your thing, their story.
But: I was totally completely end up absolutely giving up on Korean series in certain respects, like on-screen kisses and portrayal of BL couples.
Openness, in general.
And maybe one more thing I say what I want to do say and why I am writing all this: I am this type of interesting before perfect or beautiful. I am this type who is not gonna roast you if it does not make logical sense but if it doesn't make emotional sense, we are going to have issues and I am giving up on your project. Like it might have inconsistencies and logical faults and I might cry or I might try to pull out my hair out of my head, but I'm fine with that but mind you if you touch your wrongly the inside worlds of the characters, you are in big trouble. I don't require difficult stories I don't require intricate complex Storytelling or even endings that would avoid being ambiguous - I don't mind it not being a clear cut end, happy or sad. All that is fine with me.
And that is why I appreciate you showing me How you in life action and body essentially through action and visuals. I can't really appreciate how difficult or simple your story is what I can appreciate is congruency in emotions and the internal logic of characters with their experiences and emotions. What you can show me through camera language besides the story is the emotions of the characters. If you do so correctly, and deep enough, and it makes sense for the characters and for the story, I will give you 10 out of 10 even if you messed up something significant from the lenses of logic itself.
I am the audience who loves seeing embodied difficult emotions on camera.
If you say lust, if you want then out of 10 from me, I expect lust to be embodied. Either the way I imagine it or you are gonna show me how you imagine it and improve my inner understanding of that word. Or if you don't enhance it ,you at least somehow evolve it.Let me learn new things about the word and my image of it in me. Let me see how these two characters understand their word and how it works in their dynamics, the wilder, the more passionate, the better.
If I say I learned more about sensuality through watching not only but as well I Told Sunset About You, and that is why I Promised You the Moon couldn't overcome the first season in my eyes (that plus the deep betrayal portrayed there is really hard topic, especially if we are staying in the first season lenses of sensuality and deep feelings of the two characters towards each other, the great gap made in second season could never get closed enough, healed enough after it happened, so technically you could learn more about betrayal, how it hurts and not even how, but that it could be overcomed), then with The Time of Fever, I learned more about Did combination of craving this dsire despair the pure liquid need
To put it into context, it is told in times where you don't expect them anymore to be willing to show anything explicit on screen, where they avoided it at all costs, where you are given all the time dead fish kisses, where they pretend as there is no emotional life in the characters, in males, where the reputation of idols ast them being strictly straight obviously and publicly is more important than the outcome of project they agreed to a participate on, where being gay is something that is widely accepted yet what is not acceped is it being portrayed in any way realistic onscreen, not to even mention to put there the bomb of it being emotional on screen. Or just making it feel normal on screen please, just don't make every and any of the stories that started really promising and then delivering very underwhelming scenes rigidly avoiding any intimacy.
And you are in the bubble of waiting for something really normal looking like, where they are not gonna entirely avoid it, where it is not being portrayed as if it is being forced on to the actors. like in the story for the story itself, expecting you are only gonna see the standard that was set since the beginning of boy love genre being shooted in Korea till now… and then in that moment without any warnings aside from it being really a good series since nearly beginning, promising and everything, like giving you No clue whatsoever there's not only they are gonna show you something that is above average in comparison to any category from any country but as well it is the first true camera visuals and acting and relationship portrayal of of the raw emotion of craving and how it manifests if you are approaching it with feelings not with Mac making calculations and manipulations. like the raw need the raw desire the action and then the consequences, back it all and send it.
And so, I am not making you go watch it. I just observe you can never calculate in advance what is going to make it, and what is gonna do it for you, and when.
I think I was not watching it while it was airing, that is why I had the advantage of being able to swallow it down without logic, brain, thinking, overthinking coming in the way, messing with my purely emotional experience. For the moment of pure shock and then other surprise and then more shock and realization of what they did and how much it worked on me, I'm actually very grateful. If it is not complete rubbish I actually love stories that I engulf with emotions not with brain. It inspires me more.
And so, in retrospect, going to watch Time of Fever is more worth it than going to watch Unintentional Love Story for this specific reason. And it is very hard for me to say it and say it like this, because there, underneath, the ULS is stimulating and affecting my other sides, important ones, and in those areas, that story is very much important on its own and has deep effects, but I repeatedly went watched Time of Fever for the story, I didn't not go watch again the Unintentional Love Story for the Unintentional Love Story’s story. Even if it was a good story. It did not affect me that much at that raw places.