I couldn’t believe JI went along so “willingly” with GC.Yes he’s probably stronger than her, but she could…
he didnt want to leave Bo Ram to go after them.... :( and he didnt want to fight... what if something happened to him, who would take care of Bo Ram then... ?
Ah that art dealer matches with SR - also slimey manipulator secretive liar - wow.... OMG a smart cookie!!!! yeah…
- so SERI WAS CHEATING GI CHAN WITH THE ART DEALER!!!! I thought she doubledipped while she switched sugar daddies... but wow is she crafty - DOUBLEDIPPING FOR A YEAR - and in this case, NOT switching the sugar daddies, GC was already YL group guy and the art dealer was dirt poor and SR pretended she was dirt poor too.....
SR FIRST GOT TOGETHER WITH GC, and a year later, cheated with the art dealer....briefly... made a kid, and left.
So she dated art dealer to steal Catherine's identity. The art dealer was dirt poor. I doubt she dated him for lust. SEEMS LIKE SHE TARGETED ART DEALER TO STEAL CATHERINE IDENTITY So now how did she get that idea that there was this Catherine and she could steal her identity?
And HGC... is he infertile too like Gi Man? No, he had Eun Ho... but somehow never kids with SR although they were ah so lusty for 8 years...
Ah that art dealer matches with SR - also slimey manipulator secretive liar - wow.... OMG a smart cookie!!!! yeah he sells $100mil paintings!!! As Shinubi said, he didnt ask the DH trio for any info - bc he didnt want to spoil anything... And yeah what a great info digger he is!!! read the spoiler I AM LAUGHING HERE
imo yes, somewhat - like at the end of cooking competition, he INSISTS to uphold the rules and chop off arms of…
I said ESSENTIALLY rape because he grabbed her by surprise, there was no consent, she was scared of him, he owns her and is a serial killer who keeps threatening to kill her too, I saw her scared eyes - she was not just surprised, she was scared - he gave her a little bit of time to calm down and then the situation started going in a direction SOUTH.
NO CONSENT means .... what?
There is of course no curtain, that is the metaphor for the episode ending :) The ending of the episode is the curtian falling down on the show :)
I dont like grabbing by surprise and yeah some people and Asian dramas show it a lot thinking it is hot. I think it is sexist.
But anyways I dislike this panic mode of defending someone without even looking what was written, FIRST. Please do not do that in the future.
it is good to discuss the details and get a better idea of the drama, I am glad I rewathced that part bc I remember her scared eyes looking at him.
I now see that he gave her 3 seconds to calm down - yeah too short but at least something, out of consideration for her and for himself, and that she closed her eyes when he kissed her.
This is all a gray area *****Rewatching i see that she closed her eyes so perhaps there was communication of mutual trust and safety.
She was not drunk and she is very smart. If she closed her eyes, there was SOMETHING she trusted. We will know only the next ep if she felt loved and honored.
Imo he was NOT making a drunk mistake. He loves her already, he is a king in Joseon, he can do whatever he wants, he owns her, he can grab her. His drunk state was just speeding things up.
imo yes, somewhat - like at the end of cooking competition, he INSISTS to uphold the rules and chop off arms of…
See this happens when people do not read posts... I wrote esentially everything you wrote already in a post to that other chick who was STUCK on using the word rape, and you instead of reading what I wrote, attacked me on her false information. Please do not do that in the future. Thank you
So first things first - there are different stages and definitions of rape. The first thing is CONSENT and this is the video that I use: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ My test to determine if a situation is legit is this: WERE YOU ASKED FOR CONSENT? ARE YOU IN IT VOLUNTARILY OR IS THERE ANY OVERBEARING PUSH INTO IT? CAN YOU REFUSE WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCE? CAN YOU STOP AND QUIT ANY TIME YOU WANT, WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCE? DO YOU FEEL SAFE? If not then you are in a situation that is in violation of your boundaries and personal freedom, and to keep it simple: anything without consent is rape. If it makes you feel better, call it forced sex or whatever. This kind of situation comes in many different degrees of violation - just like "assault" can be anything from slapping you on the cheek to using a hammer to smash your head - the same here..... different gradations....
What I saw was kinda qualifying for these criteria... We will know next time what happened. He might have fallen asleep LOL Since it is ep 5, I dont think he fell asleep so the question is, was is an experience that honored her enough for her to feel happy and confident that he cares for her, or she felt violated and used. The details are in the spoiler.
so everything started when the FL father asked her to get him that book, which turns out the book was written…
Plausible? :) The book is the book he made in his house. The book in her bag disintegrated when he made the book in his house, ie. the ONLY book is the book he made in the house. And he filled it up. And then..... the book stayed alive and she found it in 21st century.
The purpose of finding the book in 21st century was to call her to Joseon for them to hook up. Apparently somehow they forgot about each other and got split up in time and space travel and reincarnations... So the book made sure to hook them up so that they can continue as a pair, as they are meant to be.
There are so many different solutions for different time period couples... See the spoiler in the review where…
Mr Queen is well... too realistic ending LOL :) Moon Lovers is ... sad...she dies in Goreo.... King Eternal Monarch are career yappies, they meet on weekends to tour different time zones... First Night with the Duke FL switches time zones with her Joseon Counterpart and moves permanently from 21st century to Joseon... Great Doctor FL finds a loophole and goes back to him to Goreo ... My Queen ML moves to 21st century and lives in an apartment in Seoul, I think ... Park's Marriage Contract FL moved from Joseon to 21st century, back, and back again, to hook up with the correct incarnation of ML in 21st century... and so on.... Legend of the Blue Sea is also another story over reincarnations and different species... there are many more about different species from different times, like Goblins, gumihos, etc ...
There are so many different solutions for different time period couples... See the spoiler in the review where I recall various solutions to relocate to the same time period... Surprisingly, quite a few modern ppl chose to live in Joseon era...
So the bottom line is that you do not know who the next person to you is... what time zone, what species, .... and it could be YOU TOO!!! bc FL in this drama forgot about Joseon and so the book had to call her back
ah that is cruel to just tease us like that. Also, the drama might NOT follow the novel
I read the ending somewhere - he shows up at her doorstep with that missing half page. That is an interesting beginning!!!! how he will fit into 21st century life and into her life .... My Queen drama had that plot...
Ok this is not the actual historical king but a twist on him, still I dont get it how he lasted 10 yrs so far...…
He is a very unskilled ruler and takes his personal grief (his mom) onto his peeps instead of doing what is good for the country... That cheongorn or however it is spelled is a DISASTER
then, he has no help but chief Eunuch He THINKS the Clown is his helper and gives him special tasks but the Clown shot him, the Clown works for the other guys That slimey dude who switched sides from 4th evil to FL is gonna switch back real fast
4th evil consort is a murderer villain, she is already poisoning the king with something from that square litht blue container, he gets dizzy from it
Since FL got into King's bed... she is gonna be a major target - 4th evil wll definitely try to kill her.... and the bearded dudes are gonna bitch about some weirdo cook being a concubine or consort... and will use it to oust the King
King is already in love with FL and that makes her a target FL will be in love soon The more they hook up, the more push to kill them, ... and he was already a target and almost died already in ep 1
so... FL is dead meat now, literally, they are gonna kill her asap and him too, since he is already in deep doodoo and now overstepping
I think somehow she forgot that she was in Joseon and the book had to call her back so that she would remember him. So now she showed up and is going to remember him. Now what.... ?
In Joseon they can survive only if he gets exiled or if he magically gains support - say he quits that chaorong (spelling??) thing... MAYBE he can save himself. Otherwise the way it is ... 4th is after them all those rebels are after them. all the ppl who lost daughers and horses and property are after them.... Since FL is now his, everyone will try to oust her too...
That would be awesome if she can change the history for better :)
so I say - GET OUT OF THERE! and move to 21st century - OR change history, get rid of cheorong (spelling?), get support, become a likeable king...
Ok this is not the actual historical king but a twist on him, still I dont get it how he lasted 10 yrs so far... I dont think he can keep it up bc I dont see anyone helping him and I dont see him helping himself... my thoughts in the reply
King and FL are an item already I think they need to boogie out asap and move to her time OR change history and get public support for him as the king. The way it is going, they are gonna kill him and of course they will kill her too since she is with him
Her life calling is not to feed one finicky king but to feed many people, and his life calling does not seem to be politics and making the country a better place .... he does not seem interested at all.... So... 21st century sounds like a good choice, both can live a happy and safe life and help with her cooking and feeding the masses the good stuff yeah he is going to be an amazing cooking judge and evaluator and critic
Does he know hes writing the book shes talking about? Is he writing it for her now knowing she can come back once…
I think so. I think he is messing up his ruling and will be killed, he is taking his personal grief on the people instead of doing things for the country, and they WILL kill him, he is all alone no allies... She needs to go back and feed the masses in 21st century and he better come along with her, and live a happy safe life
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SR FIRST GOT TOGETHER WITH GC, and a year later, cheated with the art dealer....briefly... made a kid, and left.
So she dated art dealer to steal Catherine's identity.
The art dealer was dirt poor. I doubt she dated him for lust.
SEEMS LIKE SHE TARGETED ART DEALER TO STEAL CATHERINE IDENTITY
So now how did she get that idea that there was this Catherine and she could steal her identity?
And HGC... is he infertile too like Gi Man? No, he had Eun Ho... but somehow never kids with SR although they were ah so lusty for 8 years...
And yeah what a great info digger he is!!! read the spoiler
I AM LAUGHING HERE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ
NO CONSENT means .... what?
There is of course no curtain, that is the metaphor for the episode ending :) The ending of the episode is the curtian falling down on the show :)
I dont like grabbing by surprise and yeah some people and Asian dramas show it a lot thinking it is hot. I think it is sexist.
But anyways I dislike this panic mode of defending someone without even looking what was written, FIRST. Please do not do that in the future.
it is good to discuss the details and get a better idea of the drama, I am glad I rewathced that part bc I remember her scared eyes looking at him.
I now see that he gave her 3 seconds to calm down - yeah too short but at least something, out of consideration for her and for himself, and that she closed her eyes when he kissed her.
This is all a gray area
*****Rewatching i see that she closed her eyes so perhaps there was communication of mutual trust and safety.
She was not drunk and she is very smart. If she closed her eyes, there was SOMETHING she trusted. We will know only the next ep if she felt loved and honored.
Imo he was NOT making a drunk mistake. He loves her already, he is a king in Joseon, he can do whatever he wants, he owns her, he can grab her. His drunk state was just speeding things up.
Have a nice day
So first things first - there are different stages and definitions of rape.
The first thing is CONSENT and this is the video that I use: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ
My test to determine if a situation is legit is this:
WERE YOU ASKED FOR CONSENT?
ARE YOU IN IT VOLUNTARILY OR IS THERE ANY OVERBEARING PUSH INTO IT?
CAN YOU REFUSE WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCE?
CAN YOU STOP AND QUIT ANY TIME YOU WANT, WITHOUT ANY CONSEQUENCE?
DO YOU FEEL SAFE?
If not then you are in a situation that is in violation of your boundaries and personal freedom, and to keep it simple: anything without consent is rape. If it makes you feel better, call it forced sex or whatever.
This kind of situation comes in many different degrees of violation - just like "assault" can be anything from slapping you on the cheek to using a hammer to smash your head - the same here..... different gradations....
What I saw was kinda qualifying for these criteria...
We will know next time what happened. He might have fallen asleep LOL Since it is ep 5, I dont think he fell asleep so the question is, was is an experience that honored her enough for her to feel happy and confident that he cares for her, or she felt violated and used.
The details are in the spoiler.
The book is the book he made in his house. The book in her bag disintegrated when he made the book in his house, ie. the ONLY book is the book he made in the house. And he filled it up. And then..... the book stayed alive and she found it in 21st century.
The purpose of finding the book in 21st century was to call her to Joseon for them to hook up. Apparently somehow they forgot about each other and got split up in time and space travel and reincarnations... So the book made sure to hook them up so that they can continue as a pair, as they are meant to be.
and so on....
Legend of the Blue Sea is also another story over reincarnations and different species... there are many more about different species from different times, like Goblins, gumihos, etc ...
So the bottom line is that you do not know who the next person to you is... what time zone, what species, .... and it could be YOU TOO!!! bc FL in this drama forgot about Joseon and so the book had to call her back
That cheongorn or however it is spelled is a DISASTER
then, he has no help but chief Eunuch
He THINKS the Clown is his helper and gives him special tasks but the Clown shot him, the Clown works for the other guys
That slimey dude who switched sides from 4th evil to FL is gonna switch back real fast
4th evil consort is a murderer villain, she is already poisoning the king with something from that square litht blue container, he gets dizzy from it
Since FL got into King's bed... she is gonna be a major target - 4th evil wll definitely try to kill her.... and the bearded dudes are gonna bitch about some weirdo cook being a concubine or consort... and will use it to oust the King
King is already in love with FL and that makes her a target
FL will be in love soon
The more they hook up, the more push to kill them, ... and he was already a target and almost died already in ep 1
so... FL is dead meat now, literally, they are gonna kill her asap
and him too, since he is already in deep doodoo and now overstepping
I think somehow she forgot that she was in Joseon and the book had to call her back so that she would remember him. So now she showed up and is going to remember him. Now what.... ?
In Joseon they can survive only if he gets exiled or if he magically gains support - say he quits that chaorong (spelling??) thing... MAYBE he can save himself. Otherwise the way it is ... 4th is after them all those rebels are after them. all the ppl who lost daughers and horses and property are after them.... Since FL is now his, everyone will try to oust her too...
That would be awesome if she can change the history for better :)
so I say - GET OUT OF THERE! and move to 21st century -
OR change history, get rid of cheorong (spelling?), get support, become a likeable king...
King and FL are an item already
I think they need to boogie out asap and move to her time OR change history and get public support for him as the king. The way it is going, they are gonna kill him and of course they will kill her too since she is with him
Her life calling is not to feed one finicky king but to feed many people,
and his life calling does not seem to be politics and making the country a better place .... he does not seem interested at all....
So...
21st century sounds like a good choice, both can live a happy and safe life and help with her cooking and feeding the masses the good stuff
yeah he is going to be an amazing cooking judge and evaluator and critic
but the king thinks he works for him
nope he works for the rebels
The king has no help.
That clown who he thinks is a friend was actually the person who shot him...
She needs to go back and feed the masses in 21st century
and he better come along with her, and live a happy safe life