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I think why people are so bothered by the coach scene and me too, is because we don`t think is necessary for Gao Shi De to be so aggresive in forcing Shu Yi to listen to him and change his mind so he will want to sleep with him.
Initiating an intimate scene forcefully like this, even if he initially just wanted to make him listen, then trying to imobilize someone and not let him free himself from his hold and even covering his mounth , not matter the reason, not matter if the person forced decided to get along with him and stop stuggling, visually for viewers is seems not right, it make you feel uncomfortable.
I`m not saying everyone will feel like this, but this scene can make viewers very easily don`t care for Gao Shi De anymore and don`t want to continue watching the drama or change the overall impression the drama will let on people . If this was a movie, i could be able to continue watching, if Gao Shi De would have given a logical reason of why he acted like this or if i liked how they concluded this scene, as movies are shorter and manage to tie things more artistic and quickly. But this is a drama, viewers still has more eps to watch. In my opinion even Tharn Type season 1 handled the problematic scenes better .
As you said in the novel we get to read the toughts of Shu Yi and in the drama we can spot when he respond to Gao Shi De. i can see the moments he struggle to not respond to Gao Shi De, as he is still angry with him, and i can see at the end he starts responding to Gao Shi De, but you have to understand that by the time that part is showed it don`t matter anymore, the impact was made, i already changed my good impression about Gao Shi De.
The problem i have with that scene, is not Shu Yi resisting at the beginning but how forceful and aggessive Gao Shi De is, he is acting like some sexually harrasers i saw in other dramas, is hard to like him as before.
Not matter what the interpretation the production team has and wanted to show to viewers by filming this scene, they should have considered how it could be interpreted by the majority of the fans.
How the aftermath of scenes like this are handled are also really important. When scenes like this happens between the characters, for viewers to accept and understand the intention in having the characters have to film that scene, they should at least discuss about it, at least shown one of them beng angry, punch him, slap him so the other understand what he did is not right and properly discuss that he shouldn`t never do that again.
I don`t have anything against problematic intimate scenes, i am an adult, i really enjoy dramas similarly with this, but that writing make things worse and i really think it wasn`t necessary.
I am one of the early watchers of bl dramas and movies, from the period from when BL MOVIES made by Japan like Takumi kun series started to get popular and have appeal to international viewers. I have watched almost all bl dramas and movies made and a lot of them, had scenes like this, especialy since in the past were much frequent, and i do find this scene was filmed careless and without a clear direction and vision, as if they left the actor just do what he wanted.
It make me hate Gao Shi De, just because of that scene, it`s a big deal, and it shown how poorly filmed this couch scene is.

Yes. You`re right. I was so excited about season 2, as i really liked how the characters were writed and portrayed in the first season, but the writing starting from the special episode and continuing with season 2 is just full of plot holes and the development is not realistic. I mean i didn`t expect it to be as realistic as in real life, but at least to make sense.
The main characters were separated for years, a lot of years, because of a half hearted reason like this, that is such a unbelievable misunderstanding, and then they re tried to sell people that they still want to make this work, in the rest of at most 4 eps.
They should at least have them have some awkwardness and unfamiliriaty from not seeing each other for years and take it easy and have some honest talks, a lot and not just a simple talk like this. And they had Guo Shi De act forcefully towards Shu Yi because the other didn`t wanted to listen to him and then get forgiven so easily . They should at least talk about it. How the aftermath of scenes like this are handled is really important. When scenes like this happens between the characters, for viewers to accept and understand the intention in having the characters have to film that scene, they should at least discuss about it, at least shown one of them beng angry, punch him, slap him so the other understand what he did is not right and properly discuss that he shouldn`t never do that again.
I don`t have anything against problematic intimate scenes, i am an adult, i really enjoy dramas similarly with this, but that writing make things worse. If i was Shu Yi, if someone did that to me, i wouldn`t forgive him that easily. He would have to really give me some serious logical reasons and i will have him prove to me that he is genuinely sorry for a long time, and maybe even cut him out of my life if i can`t manage to trust him again.
They can make how many seasons they want, i don`t care anymore, even for the characters i wouldn`t watch.
I am curently watching History 4: Close to you, who also has a mature story with the secondary couple having consent issues, but at least for both for the lead couple and the secondary couple the writing is consistent. I was surprised how good this drama can be, even if he overall plot is more of a relaxing and comedic watch and has all the unrealistic cliches done until now, but because the characters are writed in a way when they know when to be funny and when and how to handle serious matters, is a very enjoyable watch.
Good writing and not allowing too many misunderstandings between the couples is really important in bl dramas and movies and influence a lot the watching experience.

Scroll down a bit and read the previous comments made. Everything other people said there is true. Japanese movies takes a while until are available to watch for international viewers, about six months at most, sometime less, sometime more. Is hard to predict. In my case i always check MDL pages of the movies, as news circule fast here.

I didn' t mean to put a fedge between people who are thinking like me and people who needs the actors/actresses to be unmarried/single for their characters to be able to be shiped, but just that i wish that people would think more from the perspective of the actors/actresees. They are getting looked down and expected the characters they portray to not be able to be shiped from the start just because they are dating someone/married or divorced, when we haven`t seen their performance yet. If the actors/actresses don`t put the necessary effort for their characters to have chemistry, tension, the connection that should be there, then they should be criticized, but we don`t know that yet.
Maybe is a issue with chinese culture and related to chinese actors/actresses.
Because when i watch korean and japanese dramas and movies, i didn`t see this happen. In Japan especially, but Korea as well, they are young , but especially in late 20 or `30s or even older actors/ actresses who is known to be dating, married or divorced, who still get cast in romance dramas/movies and people don`t complain about this aspect. Even in the leads for BG chinese dramas and movies i rarely see comments like this. For exemple Yang Mi who is divorced, Tiffani Tang and his husband, Zanilia Zhao and his husband, edit: ex-husband, as i saw they just announced they`re getting divorced, Wallace Chung, and many others- i didn`t see people who complain that they can`t ship them with their costar, or at least a lot of fans complaining about it.
Maybe if more and more actors/actresses date more openly, or people who cast them don`t use this criteria, things will change.
I read an interview where i think a director of producer from the drama WOH, said that for her the most important thing when the cast is chosen is for them to be single , not married or divorced, so from the start this eliminates a chance for others actors to have a chance for the role just because of this.
This can be considered discriminatory and can put a lot of pressure on actors/actresses to be single or avoid to be caught, and if their scandal are not handled well to ruin their careers, is just messed up and something that should not be promoted.

Is implied that he died. In the novel happened this as well. She tought he was dead for a long period of time. It passed about one year until she find out she's alive.

In the end she will chose Yuwen Yue, but really the drama has a tragic incompleted end for people who didn't read the novel, and don't know what will happen next. They finished the drama at the worst point , as it has some allegations of plagiarism of the novel the drama was adapted from and it ends abruptly, without a closure. The sad part is that they will probably never make a second season because of the controversy around the plagiarism.

Very well said. This person has a repetitive need to write about this, and you can`t make him understand this not matter how much you try to convince him, that`s why i usually try to don`t respond to her posts.
I don`t know if you go to Word of honor page regularly, but this person regularly write this kind of thoughts there, and people always respond to his posts, but nothing changes lol, she still continue doing this. At some point someone irritated her so much she revealed her homophobic toughts, got her account deleted and then she comeback to the same page with another account. The sad thing is, she seems to have taken a liking to want to watch all the upcoming danmei adaptations that will be released, as of course she isn`t satisfied with watching the purely bromance dramas. I think she probably has internalized homophobia or has some issues. Anyway, i just wanted to warn you about this individual.

Well, i guess i don`t mind actors/actresses having known girlfriends/boyfriends or spouses as i don`t like to shipe the actors beyond their characters.
People like me won`t mind if they are single of not. I find the shiping culture of actors/actresses useless and a huge waste of time, as you remain with nothing after the promotion period is done, as if one is not careful, he/she can get very delusioned of what should think as real and what not.
This being said, i do understand they are people who needs the two actors to have all the conditions to be able to be shiped in real life, and their concern that the drama might not get as popular as it could be because of this are valid, as i read about many people who think like this, so their concerns are valid.
The popularity of the drama and actors coud be hindered, but that don`t mean that actors who has girlfriends and are married shouldn`t be cast in danmei productions or romance dramas in general, as this thinking is selfish and toxic, and can limit the posibility of those actors in doing their job, that is acting

Is not netflix that censored the donghua , is China that censored it . Netflix didn't even produced the donghua, bilibili is the production company, netflix just bought the the rights to air the donghua on the platform, nothing more, they can't change anything than what they are provided with. I don't think netflix even produces any kind of animation, a lot of dramas and movies on netflix are the result of netflix buying the right to distribute them in their platform. Only some are really produced by netflix/and are netflix original. China use censorship not only for dramas, but for donghuas too. They are bit more lenient with censorship for donghuas, but no by much, the difference is not big compared with dramas. China don't film two versions, one used in China and the other for release in international platforms.And it don't matter what international platform buy the rights, the donghua aired to those platforms has to be the same version as the one that aired in China, like for exemple on the websites of the productions companies, that frequently make donghuas, like tencent or bilibili.Is not a new thing, for years things are working like this, nothing changed. I tought that is useful information for you and others to know how it will be for future releases of the donghuas too.

Thank you for sharing. OMG, i read the novel and i second that, i totally see him as being Fei Du. That's a very good styling and tought put in making Fei Du as a character that come to life from the pages of the book.
I'm so glad the drama managed to show Fei Du's long hair, this is really the perfect length, since for most actors if it were more long than this, it can look sloopy.
And the height and weight is good too, as Fei Du should be tall and lean. The glasses to, Omg i'm so happy.
Did Zhang Xingchen has such a low weight originally, or he went on a diet for the role, i'm impressed by his efforts if he had to lose weight too.
I was having doubts how the actor will be able to show the young look too, but i can see now that for him, losing weight, good styling and make up, works for him.

You mean the actor who is playing the ML from the novel is the one married.
I was just commenting since for people who didn't read the novel, can think by reading your comment that you mean Luo Wenzhou, the character from the novel.
I don't have this problem, as celebrities are people too, who have to get on with their life, and get married and live happily.
I mean, people should still be able to ship the characters they portray in their drama/movies if they are good actors and manage to do a good job in getting in their characters.
Actors in general can still be able to make the characters they portray have chemistry and make the viewers believe that they can be shiped, even if the actors/actresses are married or not.

Nop. All the comments saying the donghua it can be now watched on netflix, they are refering to the first season. Season 2 of the donghua is in production, i will probably be released if not in the last quarter of this year, then next year. But, no date of release yet, it was just me speculating.

When i wrote in the previous comment, i only taken in consideration how true to the original story in the novel the drama managed to stay, as to argue that this is not an authentic or faithful to the original source as people are making out to be, by stating all the main reasons the drama deviated and made things different from the novel.

Faraway wanderers has a really unique, original story, as some other bl novels out there that are lucky to get a drama or donghua adaptation and i wish people who don`t enjoy reading bl novels, or didn`t read the novel, to understand the point of view of people who was charmed and appreciated the original content in the novel .
The fans of the bl novels that these dramas are adapted from know what they are talking about and because of this wouldn`t ever consider WOH a very faithful adaptation and in any case the best authentic adaptation ever made until now. I don`t need to compare WOH to other danmei dramas for me to see that. Untamed and other danmei dramas mentioned until until now were just exemples.
People can have different views, but should at least be realistic about them or be approved by people who know what they are talking about and has enough experience in watching drama and reading novels.

When people say that a drama is a very authentic or faithful adaptation of a novel, all that it should be taken in consideration when someone makes this kind of affirmation is how closer to the novel the drama managed to adapt the characterizations of the main characters, the overall events, how many things were changed, how is the ending and the overall impression the drama make to the viewers compared with the novel. Has the drama managed to show the essence of the story?
On can argue, but i think this drama only managed to present about 40% of the core or essence of the novel in general. And WOH is the least faithful adaptation from the novel compared to others danmei adaptations, and i don`t refer only about dramas like Untamed, Guardian ( Guardian can be considered as a similarly adaptation to WOH, as being in equal ground, because of the big changes the drama suffered in the last eps), S.C.I Mystery, but also donghuas like MDZS, Thousand autumns, Heaven Official Blessings, Legend of exorcism.
Giving exemples of donghuas is not that relevant as is probably more easily to make than a drama, but considering they aren`t many danmei dramas made until know, and how well these donghuas managed to adapt the original content from the novels they were based of can`t be denied, and are good exemples.

The reasons why a drama managed to adapt the content of a novel more faithfull or less faithfull shouldn`t matter when an affirmation of this is made , but the end product is the only thing that should matter.
Also he scriptwriter having the freedom to write the script don`t always bring a good result, and it can be hard to decide when to stick to what is in the novel, and where to add necessary content, if the scriptwriter try to make big changes. And sometimes because of too much freedom, the completed script can be so different from the novel, that might as well be original script writed by the scriptwriter, and not an adaptation from a novel. When things like this happens, don`t the author of the novel will feel wronged and regret selling the book to be adapted?
Having some freedom to adapt the story is okay, but it should also has it`s limitations.
An author having a small fandom don`t mean the fans of the novel wouldn`t be disappointed and less hurt that the drama deviated from the novel more than they should.
Again, what about the authors of the novels ? The authors would probably be more happy when the dramas that adapt their novels try to stick to the way they writed the characters and the content as close as they can.
Priest is much more silent than other authors when she sees her novels not being adapted as well as they should. When Guardian has ended, and she saw that her fans were very sad about how the drama ended, she writed a new extra chapter of the novel, as consolation for her fans, she cares for the fans of her novels and she knows what it happens too.
In the drama A league of a Nobleman, the author of the novel was hurt and insulted so much by the change the scriptwriter did in adapting her novel, that she did an interview saying that she don`t want to get any credit that will result from the succes of the drama, as the scriptwriter changed almost everything and only used the characters names. The authors are also hurt when the scriptwriters takes too much freedom to write the script based on their novels.

I didn`t take in consideration the reasons that Untamed managed to adapt the novel more faithfully , and why WOH, Guardian and even S.C.I Mystery (this drama also has a lot of things where it deviated from the novel) couldn`t adapt the novel more faithfully, because at the end of the day why it should matter, i only taken in consideration how much the danmei dramas managed to stay true to the story overall.
The reasons why WOH should be considered the least faithfull adaptation of all the danmei dramas mentioned by me above( or in equal ground with Guardian because of the changes made to Guardian in the last eps of the drama) is because of the changed characterization of ZZS, the changes done to the dynamic of their relationship, a lot of changes and the changes to the development of the events in the story.
There wasn`t a danmei drama adapted from a bl novel made until now, where one of the main characters was writed and portrayed so differently from the character from the novel like how they did for WOH.
For Untamed the main characters were writed almost identically as they were in the novel, Guardian and S.C.I Mystery despite their shortcomings were pretty close. In the donghuas the same, all the characters were writed and portrayed very closely as how they were in the novel.
I have a lot of experience in reading novels and watching the dramas and donghuas adapted from them, so i know what i`m saying.

I just want people to appreciate more how much work went in creating the characters, story, events writed in a novel, to appreciate originality more and for people to, i don`t know don`t brush things like this so easily.
Isn`t easy to find authors like Priest who manages to write original stories like she does. Why should it matter that Faraway wanderers is more short and writed maybe not as complex as other of her novels ? Is still a very original novel and one of the best out there, things could have been adapted better.
The characters and story in Faraway wanderers are one of a kind between other bl novels, and a lot of things were changed when it was adapted in the drama.
Considering this, i just wish people who hadn`t experienced reading the novel and watching the drama, and ideal to do the same to other danmei adaptations, wouldn`t write that this drama is a very authentic or faithfull adaptation of the drama. By making these kind of affirmation, if would just lower the expectations from future danmei adaptations, discrediting the hard work other danmei dramas did in adapting their respective novels and give people who didn`t read the novel a wrong impression than what it is in reality.
And also by writing this kind of words, it can make the fans of these novels being sad and feeling as they`re the only ones who has remained with this bitter feeling after watching the drama. At least people should not make this kind of affirmation

I hope Lord Seventh it will be adapted in the future. The previous reply to you it was me being hopeful that the rights for the novel to be adapted was brought already. If you go in the cast section , there you cand find Priest as the writer, and if you click on her , there you will see all her others novels that will get upcoming adaptations. Lord Seventh is not added yet there, but hopefully they will adapt it in the future too, as the novel is as unique as Faraway wanderers.

I don` t know if you read the novel, but i just want to mention that this drama is not a very authentic adaptation from the original source at all.
Is at most trying to be a good adaptation, but nothing more, as it didn`t manage to mantain the essence of the story. Is the best adaptation drama from a bl novel writed by Priest at most.
The drama deviated a lot from the novel by;
- changing the characterization that the characters have in the novel; ZZH is very differently portrayed in the drama compared with the character in the novel starting to ep 6, little changes was made to the character of WKX too.
In the novel both of them have a tainted and bloodly background, because they had to kill people, but as they come to accept and reconcile themselves with their past because they realised they were victims of their circumstances and didn`t have much choice in the path they had to take, both of them don`t judge the bad guys, and don`t try to stop their evil intentions or intervine in their affairs, if they don`t have anything to do with them. Also because they both have this background, they just understand each other better and don`t hypocritically try to stop, influence and judge the other character decissions, but just be there for each other but give a helping hand when the other need it.
That`s the overall dynamic ZZS and WKX have in the novel.
- other changes made to the main characters dynamic that started from the premise that they should meet as strangers, and not have any connection between them before meeting each other,
- the slow but consistent development of their relationship that they have in the novel is hard to spot in the drama because they made ZZS open up and trust WKX much more early in the drama than in the novel, and other things,
- added storylines to bring unecessary and unrealistic drama between ZZS and WKX,
-changing the sequence/order of a lot of important events that happens in the novel
-ending the drama differently than the novel.
They are many aspects where the drama didn`t manage to stay true to the novel, so i wish at least people wouldn`t say that the drama is a completely faithful adaptation from the novel or a very authentic one, as is just discrediting other dramas that were a better adaptation of their respective novels than this drama, and in the end is just unfair to read people say this so easily, when many things could be improved and people who are fans of the novel read comments like this and is just sad.
By writing that WOH is a very authentic adaptation, is implied that we shouln`t expect to get nothing better than the way this drama adapted the novel as this dramas is the highest standard. It`s can also be tought that all the hard work that other danmei dramas did or will do in the future in adapting their respective novels are in equal ground or at a level of staying true to the novel similar with WOH, when they put or they can put much more tought and hardwork to adapt the novel better than this drama.
If this drama is a very authentic adaptation of the source material because it didn`t have love interests for any of the leads, and they adapted a lot of the events that happened in the novel, portrayed one of the main character similarly as how it was in the novel, while everything else was changed, then all the hard work Untamed for exemple did to try to stay as true to the novel that was adapted from as it could, it`s not getting the appreciation/acknowlegment it deserves.
I know you didn`t mean to start this discussion, i`m talking in general.
I just wanted to start this topic, as i just wish people will say what you wrote only after reading the novel WOH was adapted from, read the novel Untamed was based off then watch the drama, and do the same for other danmei dramas adapted from a novel and only then make a comment like this. I`m sure your opinion will change.
As people are different, maybe you already read the novel Faraway wanderers, and did other things i said, and still think WOH is a authentic adaptation from the novel.

In conclusion, as maybe it was not answered clearly enough the relationship between Scorpion King and Zhao Jing as being this close as a result of this adopted father plot, simple don`t exist in the novel.
Between Zhao Jing and Scorpion King, the later was described more in the novel. In the novel their relatiosnhip was implied to be just business like, both parties were using each other.
Zhao Jing has hired the organization of assassins Scorpion King was the leader of to do his dirty work, and at the same time Scorpion King was not on anyone side, as he worked for many people at the same time, wanting to get all the money and benefits as possible but also fooling almost everyone.
Scorpion King ended up killing almost all the people who he worked for, just so when the others will find out that they were betrayed they will not turn against him and kill him.
Scorpion King in the novel was a really psycho.
To be fair WKX is a bit of a psycho too, but at least he has some morals, didn`t kill everyone just to cover his tracks and he is not cruel in purpose with the other ghosts in Ghost Valley, he is even a bit sympathetic towards them.
Zhao Jing was not described that much, the author didn`t ever described anything from his perspective, everything about him was described from other people impressions of him, and from his actions.
These two made a really creepy pair in the drama lol, when i saw they will release a drama about them, a drama, not a short movie like how Untamed did for the side characters, i was, hell, do we really need to know more about their story.
If it was only about Scorpion King, maybe i will watch, as the actor portrayed well his character, and Scorpion King was presented much more lovable than in the novel but if i have to see both of them interact more i will give this a pass.
They could use the budget for making this drama to make instead an adaptation of the novel Lord Seventh lol, as is as interesting as Faraway wanderers. But, i do understand that producing an adaptation of the novel Lord Seventh definitely needs a higher budget than this drama to be pulled off realistically, and is possible the rights to adapt Lord Seventh was already buyed by another production company.

I don't know much for both questions. For donghua they are not news of season two, so nothing is confirmed yet. I think if the next season of dounghua will have as many eps as how the first season has, they can stop at making 2 seasons. But if they slow the pace and develop some storylines of side characters, easy to make since they are lot of characters introduced more later in the story and also add scenes from extra chapters, as they are a lot, they have material to make a three season donghua. It will depend probably in how well received is first season, and is doing well in douban and it will premiere in netflix.
I think they will make as much seasons as they can as Tencent has invested a lot in this donghua. I read that the studio that produced this donghua is one of the best studios that produces donghuas in China.
For the drama i didn't read anything valuable as i don't know chinese. What i know is by visiting various pages and sites. I believe it will take a while until more will be known about the drama, hopefully we will know more things until the end of the year. What i'm sure is, the drama most probably won't be released until maybe hopefully last quarter of next year, as i didn't really hear almost nothing until now, and this is what happens when not a lot is known.

" I don't want actors cast together for different roles just because they worked as a pair in previous drama; if the new roles suit, sure"
I so agree with you, in Thousand autumns page they are also people who made posts that they hope Gong Jun and ZZH will be cast as YWS and SQ, just so that the two of them act together again. I do agree that if the characters that they are recommended for, suit their appearance and vibe, sure, why not, but if not, why bother to comment.
The chance for the two of them to act together is small anyways, but if they will ever act together again who would risk to cast them in roles that don`t suit them.
I don`t know, i wish people will stop doing this.
Just how the people who loved the novel Faraway wanderers wished the actors casted to suit the roles and portray well the characters, people who loves Heaven Official Blessings and Thousand autumns novels, also don`t want to see those characters be portrayed by some actors who use the drama as a stepping stone to act together again, and be played by other actors who can portray well the characters.

Oh. Thanks at lot, so the most recently rumour is probably to be true. Well, i was starting to warm up at the ideea of Ding Cheng Xin, as he is really talented, i liked him in Painted Skin by Guo Jingming and for Zhang Ling He, i guess i would try to warm up to him. I believe the director would not disappoint us. At the beginning of Untamed, i wasn't blown away by Xiao Zhan and Wang Yibo too, but in the end, good direction and chemistry worked very well, and they charmed us like no others.

Thanks for the information. Can you tell me who are the actors who you think they will play the important characters, from the ones listed in douban? I can't find the page in douban. Usually i had a hard time finding dramas or donghuas pages in douban, as i don't know chinese, and i try to search using words that didn't help too much sometimes. I was lucky only with some donghuas and dramas. Or can you send me the link of the page in douban? You made me very curious. I knew they would start filming soon, i'm glad you confirme it to me