Renata MJ

Yes I want one. I just saw what the father declared after the DUI and he blamed a lot for her dificult times on bullies never once blamed or even mentioned the him.
But I watched the Korean channel and they said the aunt whant's to press charges in case there was soemthnig sexual going on, and the channel threathened him with this saying he could go to jail.
But even that is wrong and not 100% because before 2020 the age of consent in Korea was 13 (so 14-15 in international age). In 2020 they changet it to 16 in international age so (17-18 in Korean age-still under age).
Anyways if any of them make an official raport, they will have to investigate everything.
I will try to see what else I can find out from the Korean pages, I got the channels saved.

But did you see the video? Did they kiss on the lips in a romantic way, did it look sexual?
Did it have sound? Were those videos taken after 2017? I need more context. And I need to know why the famly did not come out faster? Why now?
I saw the pics but not the video, and there was no mention of video; they all called them pics in the news I saw.
In their eyes, did she need to take her life in order for them to act?
This is why I find it strange.
We need an investigation. If he sues, we will have one.

If he sayis it's not true obviously he would deny it.
Yes, I think it's a coincidence.
I don't know how to explain it acuratly so I will give you an example.
When someone is suicidal dark thought creep in randonly, like echos.
Let's say you are out with your famly you are taking a walk outside. THe sun is up, the birds are singing, you are laughing and everythnig is happy. You are not in a bad mood and in that moment nothing bad in going on. You all stop at the red light and it turn green so you start crossing the street, you look left and right and you notice a car comming at you fast, and out of no where without any apparent reason you think what if I stop here, and I let the car hit me... This is how it randomly creeps in. These are the early signs on suicide, before the heavy things settle in, it's these small things that people generally don't say so are hard to notice.
It's a build up, and it creeps up in the happy moments, when one would not even suspect. Contemplating death when there is no obvious cause or triger.
So for her to take her life I think there was a build up, and multiple things, she had a horrible period, and it culminated, what actually triggers her this time, I can't say. But I thiink suicide does not happen the way people think. One is depressed just makes the decizion for the first time and firmly goes and does it, I think it's a longer process of contemplating death and it creeps in.

She took her life. And there are multiple rumors about it. Some say it was because she was bullied; others say it was because she was in debt and could not pay it back, and it was all pinned on kim soohyun. People say he dated her for 6 years from when she was 15 (international age). But there is only circumstantial proof and no official investigation yet because this news came out with an unreputable youtube channel that bullied idol into suicide before. There was no official investigation, and it's a situation of "they said vs he said".
The victim never caused the guy of anything. But there are 2 narratives out there. And this entire situation in strange and shady. I have tons of questions.

Yes, but she tried to, she even worked as a witres to make more money to try to pay (and was bullied on the internet even for that).

Yes and if it's a secret then why send letters to the house, if he is doing something bad, why do it in the open? He sent the letters without care.
It makes no sense!!
So a 15-year-old international age (17-year-old Korean age), actress that is in school (16 hours a day) and working (child labour with parental consent)... is left unsupervised 6 years to date a man? How much time would you let your 15-year-old spend with an unknown man? This good girl was dating him when? How many 15-year-old girls do whatever they want without parents looking out for them???!
And they found out in 2017... so 2 years in the relationship, and did what for the rest 4? I mean, they started "dating" in 2015 and did it for 6 years, so the parents did know for at least 4.... And in 2017, she would be 19 in Korean age, so close to legal, so they let it go?????
And they stayed silent for 8 years? If he was this horrible abuser, why did they let it go? And the girl took her life, wrote a long letter, and never mentioned any of this, like it's not important, and never blamed him??
But now that her debt is on the family, this news comes out???? Not because they need money but because after 8 years, they grew a conscience? Suicide is not random, it takes time to build up to do it. She had issues faster; what were the family doing, mooching off her? She worked even as a waitress to pay things back, so why was she the only breadwinner?
Everything posted is circumstantial and not good enough proof. I wrote letters back and forth with my friends saying I love her, and from that, someone can conclude I am gay, but I am not. I fooled around in the Chat and wrote my idol that I love him, and he said he loves me back... the context matters. So they dug up her phone and letters from 10 years ago??! And they concluded they must have been dated, but did not know a thing before, even if it was a "known secret" ?? :))
Everyone new but not the parents????
Yes, right, just sounds shady to me...
As I said, I am not her hater, and I am not his fan. I liked "It's ok not to be ok", but I read 2 narratives on the internet; it's the family's words against his (not Kim Sae Ron, she said nothing against him).
All I have is questions, and I want an official investigation, not a gossip youtube channel that was bullying idols that eventually took their life.

Well, whatever happened, there are only 2 people that can say 100% how things happened (it's him and Kim Sae Ron- until the authorities get involved in a way or another and they investigate).
The first time I heard Kim Sae Ron died, it was a shock, but the first thing I thought about was the "witch hunt on the internet' and I though it was such an absurd situation and how such young people don't deserve this. They mentioned the long letter she wrote; he had a lot on her mind, and she wanted to express herself.

Then, when I saw some the new accusations around her death and the way people started to blame him, it felt strange. I thought, why is this turning into something different, and isn't she mourned normally. Why is there a new scandal covering up her death and other people getting attention? It felt like her death is being monetized a bit.
I read 2 narratives on the internet, and it just felt strange to me. And I asked myself after that, why didn't she mention him in the letter if she took her life because of him? She could not have cared at all and just vented and blamed him. But she no such thing

One narrative is saying that she had her DUI because she was overworked and stressed and unpaid. That the company paid her fine but asked for the money back without notice. That all this was orchestrated by him (as the owner of the agency/company). The company sued her without notice after they refused to give her time to pay back the money when she asked for time. He did not communicate with her, and that is why she took her own life on his birthday and left behind the debt.
Only at the end for rumors to come out that she dated him for 5 years "known secret" and that she was groomed...

Second narrative: She had the DUI, and people said it was because of a spending problem (on her family) and a certain lifestyle (did not believe them but questioned if she had some concerns, and that is why she was drinking in the middle of the day). The company paid her fine so she would not stay in jail and gave her 3 years to pay back the money (she knew this from the start; it was an agreement). She even worked as a waitress to make money to be able to pay (was bullied continually for this and just because some people are evil and hater on the internet). I did ask myself why she was the only breadwinner and why her family wasn't helping out. After the 3 years, she still had not paid back the money. When the Queen of Tears aired, she posted a picture and then deleted it because people bullied her for trying to much off of his success and because they said she was trying to make a comeback using him (obviously, this is just hate on the internet). Then, she took her own life.
The debt remains in her family now they have to pay.
Acusations come out about him being in a relationship with her starting 10 years ago, and him not helping her. As far as I know, he is a partner, not the sole owner of the company; he does not make the decisions himself. so he does not control the company, a board of executives does. She may have asked for money but not a lot of people would have such a large sum to give away, and it's not his responsibility. He said their relationship was not romantic, he denied the allegations, so he is saying things were not like that. But one thing it is known is that she was his fan when she was young. They both did work at the same company, and she was a child star.
I expected her parents to be more hands-on as she was working as a child; a lot in her life was through parental consent.

The evidence does not stand for me. I can write letters by hand, date they 2018, and say she wrote them, but I need proof that it's her handwriting and that they are as old as it is believed they are. I need messages in context... not just random phrases or random pictures in which a girl kisses the cheek of a guy, because, as a child, I pecked everyone all the time, even more the people I admired. I need clear evidence.
Also, did the aunt/family have her phone from 10 years back? How did they know about the content if they were not aware of the relationship?
They must have known something to know exactly where to go to in order to come up with this accusation... And if it's true and they knew 10 years ago and were fine with it, but now that they need money, they come up with this scandal...
I need an investigation because I have too many questions about this situation. Either it's a lie and they want money, or it's true and they knew about it, in which case it was not an abuse; it was with parental consent. Something is strange either way from these 2 narratives.

So you say that a 15-year-old good Korean girl was left to roam and do whatever they wanted with an adult guy? And it was an "open secret" and her parents did not know about it?!!! Think!!
When I was 15, my parents knew what I was doing, even more in Korea whe nat school they have 16 hour school days. And if she was working at the agency, that had to be with parental consent as well. How did she spend 6 years with this guy, sending letters (at her home) and taking pictures, and her parents were oblivious? How much time would you let your 15-year-old girl alone without supervision with an adult guy that you don't even know?!!!!
If not, how did her parents and aunt find out this only now?!!! And just presumed they know what happened? If they did not witness it, it's all hearsay, they can interpret anything as they want...
Also in Korea the age of consent was 13 (untill 2020) but it was raised to 16 (international age), They become an adult at 20 korean age (18 international age) but there are cases in which they get married at (18 korean age with parental aproval is what the law accepts - 16 international age). The laws are different for foreigners.
Also, I saw a movie in which teens got pregnant and married with parental consent,t and they were younger; it was based on a real story.
So 16-17-year-olds can marry in Korea with parental aproval (which is 18 in Korean age). So, in 2015, she was 17 years old in Korean age
(because Koreans consider they have 1 year at birth, and they add another one each new year's eve, as they don't wait for the exact birth day).
For me, something sounds shady. I want an official investigation, not news from a YouTube channel that is famous for fake scandals and spreading lies and is known to have driven countless Korean idols to suicide.
As I read on the internet, for now, there are 2 narratives going on, and the information is different.
I want an official story after an official investigation; that is what I will believe. Until now, things don't add up.
I don't want to defend him, but I don't want to accuse him of her death because it's his word against rumors; no official statement that is believable came out (the proof they claimed to have is all circumstantial; it does not prove anything clearly because it is interpretable).

Also, in my country, under age can date/marry with parental consent. So I know it's possible, and I know a few that are married have kids and have a good life. Not all situations are the same.
There was a Chinese public case as well where a 15-year-old married a 27-year-old, and they are still together, which happened with parental consent. So there are multiple countries, but it's case by case.

I never heard anything against her. I did think it was strange that she was drinking in the middle of the day when she had that DUI, but I never liked people bullying her. Yes, I understand that people wanted to hold her accountable, but that was it. Anything other than that was bad, and it was none of their business. I didn't even believe the things they were writing about her. I rarely believe unofficial declarations, taking everything that is on the internet with a grain of salt.
But I did find the situation strange, and I did ask myself if she was right or if there was something going on. A young person drinking in the middle of the day isn't the most normal situation. I thought she had concerns (that something was bothering her- this did cross my mind).
One thing that I know 100% because I saw it with my own eyes is that she was bullied. even when working as a waitress to make money, people bullied her on the internet; it felt like a witch hunt.

1. If true, they dated with parental consent, her family knew, and they had no issues. He was not a predator; he was approved by her family. (He denies this, and the company behind the story is an unreputable scandal company that bullied many Korean stars untill suicide).
2. Did he make her work? How did you come to that conclusion? He is an associate; he is not in charge of the company, and he does not manage people. (he can't make decisions alone) Are you saying he asked her to work extra without pay? She was on a project, and she was being paid for that. Why was she drinking in the middle of the day? (I don't listen to rumors, but people were already saying she had money issues for multiple reasons, but it could be because there were already problems, she was bullied online and even more after the scandal)
3. They paid for her after the DUI so she would not be charged and gave her 3 years to pay them back. This was not a secret; it was the agreement from the start. He did now own the agency he was a co-owner (so a partner).
4. She did not ask for time; she had 3 years to pay she knew about it which is why she worked as a waitres to make money ( she was harrased and bullied and made fun of because of the job and the DUI). Where was her family in all this? In Korea, debt is on the family, not only a person. Why was she the only breadwinner? Now that she is dead, the debt is on her family, so they need money, and after 10 years, they suddenly have a dark story to tell, one that Kim Sae Ron didn't mention at all in her long letter when clearly she wanted to leave her last thoughts behind. "Why she posted the Instagram picture" Any proof? No right? Because there was no mention of this at all (speculations). It was not in his power to postpone the payment; it's not him she owed, it was the company. She may have asked him for money, and he may have refused to give her such a big amount, but also no one is obliged to give her money. That is no reason to blame him.
5. Yes, he denied the relationship; it is known that she was his fan and that they worked at the same place. His words against her aunt's (that in her statement thought this man is bad but stayed silent 10 year) Strange right?
6. She took her life on a day like any other. If she thought of him and if she blamed him, she would have written about it in her long letter!!!! It was the moment she did not care about anything and she wanted to live her last thoughts, the ones she had until her last moment, but she did not mention him.
Also, for people who don't know, suicide does not work like people think. Someone who is suicidal doesn't just think I will take my life and then does it, it's like an echo that takes time and comes up randomly, even in happy moments. There are signs way before it happens.
It's also why you hear the people around say," he/she was so happy, we went out today, smiling, and 3 hours later..." and "I did not know how it happened, he/she seemed so happy today". If she took her life, it was something she thought about before; it was not because it was his birthday and that made her do it.

Such an absurd comment; nothing is proven yet. And he was not a child groomer.
You are going from one person to another, blaming without proof, only stupid gossip (realised by unofficial sources of scandal, that by the way, caused the death of multiple Korean celebrities already) on the internet. You must be bored, and you don't have any critical thinking.
Literally, every person here blaming him is the same as every person who blamed her before because all are on the internet accusing without proof. It's a YouTube channel's word against his.
And people must be blind not to think the info is shady because if they dated, it means they did with parental consent, which means the adults pretending to care now after 10 years thought he was perfect as a boyfriend then. They want money out of him because they don't have it to pay the debt. She had 3 years to pay it. She was working as a waitress, trying hard, and was mocked and bullied by people. What the fu*k was her family doing? Why was she the only bread? This entire story is shady!! She had a DUI, Why was she drinking in the middle of the day? This tells me that there were some problems behind the scenes even before (rumor had it that she had financial problems, but I did not believe it because people like to write all kinds of things). This can only be proven by an official investigation. So, if lies keep spreading, he will sue, and then we will find out.

Don't think he is a pedo and don't think he abused her or that he is a fult for her death.
If it's true that they dated , they did it with parental consent. So it's shady that after her death her famly come out with this after 10 year. I guess they are disperate that they can't pay the debt, they need someone to blame and they need money.

What exactly his crime? His relationship with SaeRon was approved by her family. Then they broke up —— Then she got DUI accident ——The company pay the fine for her so that she will not go to jaill. ——-They gave her 3 years to pay her debt.——the Knetz bullied her and even mocked her for working at the cafe—- knetz treathened to boycott her work —- literally cancelled culture——- the company asked her pay her debt. —— why her family did not helped her to pay her debt? —— why she needed to be the only one to feed them? —- too much pressure —-she killed herself.

Then why is it KSH’s fault? He maybe co-own the company but it has its own board of directors, finance, managers who do the work, decisions and whatsoever. Its not entirely his own.

There is more about that in the first season, also there is a donghua and the novel "Dou Luo Da Lu" by Tang Jia San Shao.

Same names different actors :)

I don't know if I can see it as cheating... I mean, in my opinion, from the start, I felt like the girl made the first move, and he went along with it; he never liked her, and I felt it from the start. I also noticed that she was hurt but not angry with him, which made me think she already knew he did not love her, which is why she wanted to push the engagement; she wanted to tie him down (knowing the guy did not want to marry her).
I think cheating is cheating if there is devotion and there is a betrayal... but in this case, it felt like they were both aware of the true feelings, but they stayed close to each other for convenience.
I never felt like they had a normal relationship.

She is an amazing actor, why are you against them? I like them together.
This was not over romaticized with this image of prince and princess got together... Their dynamic fit the strange theme of the show.

I loved this one. 10 out of 10 for cinematography!
I wish they had highlighted the traditional things more. It would have been a good opportunity to show traditional Thailand to the international people. Maybe highlight a bit more certain moves, the story/meaning of the dance, ways of training, they could have even showcased a bit of traditional food and clothing. I feel it would have anchored the viewer more in that era.
Some people thought the storyline was a bit simple, I think they got that impression because generally, things went smoothly until close to the end. I would have made it a bit more suspenseful for those viewers.
In my opinion this movie was nice.

Well who knows because it has a sequel :)

This story is interesting to me; it's obviously portrays wrong actions such as cheating, but in this situation, I am more fascinated by their conditions. This is clearly not a simple cheating story all 4 characters have such complicated ways of processing and expressing themselves.
I just knew there must be something more to Sei's partner and his disgust... Because from his reactions, being gay did not fit, but being asexual did not fit as well, so it just felt like a paradox to me because somehow one of these 2 had to be the answer.
In the end, I undertook, his partner was disgusted with himself. He felt guilty and blamed himself, so he kind of thought he was taking advantage of the tragedy. This made him think he manipulated Sei into liking him, and he pushed him to be more dependent on him. In the end, he could not touch him because his actions were not completely pure; he felt he was calculating.
Now everything makes sense because.

TY!!!

Will my hair falls out of frustration :)) ?