Renata MJ

After 2020 when KSR and KSH broke up Sae Ron had a boyfriend for 2 years (the guy is one of her best friends) and then later in 2024 she met her husband (a guy that works in New York and the guy is the pictures with the caption "marry") they got married in 2025 for 1 moths then annulled the marriage. (there are 2 narratives about this guy as well)
People are not talking about this because it goes against what the family said, and it's a narrative that KSH supports.

Why do yo think if he is innocent he would embrace the family?
It's not his responsibility to do anything... Maybe if he would like to do something out of the kindness of his heart then yes, but he does not have to.
She was drinking and driving and the consequences were that she had to pay in 3 years but she did not manage to do so. It does not matter if it was KSR or not the procedure would have been the same, with the legal team.
Would you ex help your family if something would happen to you? Because in many case there is no contact after a breakup.
After an official investigation we will find the truth, which I believe it's somewhere in the middle.

Not invasion of privacy more like defamation...
As for him, he said the version the family narrated is not true, so he is suing them on the same thing, defamation. But after an official investigation we will find out.
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle...
The idea is he did nothing illegal, maybe he should have been a kinder person, but it's hard to prove that because let's be serious tons of exes ban the other after a breackup and there is no communication left.
It was not his responsibility to do anything for her, objectively speaking it was her and the company (it has nothing to do with him). If there would not have been an accident she would have not been in the station. She was dating already another guy... so I think people are emotional and want to get KSH, so they blame everything on him (it does not work like that).

Makes sense :))
The other side constantly told their version he has the right to do the same.
You can get pissed and so on.
When the official investigation will be over people will know facts, until then we only have 2 versions to a story.

He will not be punished because it was not illegal. And for now he denies it.

He came out and gave interviews and so did her Husband... both guys spoke out

Why?

He is not being sued at all, there is not case agaisnt him. The family is suing the youtuber.
And KSH open a case againt the family , "aunt" and Garosero.

This was for giving a statement not a Q and A

It seems like? :)) It sounds like such a fact.
He is a pedo I get it, but it's funny how people keep thinking they know what he was thinking. To me this looks like locker room talk, because clearly he was with other people (guys).
So he sent this to her? We know this from where? and why would she keep this?
Sry, but sometimes not everything on the internet is true....

Yes I know who she is, but still I think the same.
I understand some characters that are evil and for some reason they are angry an kill.
But this girl in many ocasins killed random inocents.
Then she keeps saying she never hurt the second male lead but the litteraly attacked everything that was the most sacred to him, everything he believed in and forced him to kill. Basicly she tainted him.
The circumstances in the story did not force her to do so...

Yes, I know what you culture points to, but your wrong about the Korean culture. Since the law point out that it's not illegal for a minor to be with an adult. The reason why I talked about my culture is because the law in my country are the same as in Korea.

This unnecessarily long comment boils down to, "my country is in denial about abuse" OK :))

What are the odds that an adult pursued a minor out of pure, platonic admiration? Was he fascinated by her nuanced takes on high school algebra? Did he seek out her teenage (lack of) wisdom on geopolitics?

No, they had the same job and worked together, so they had things in common, mostly acting. She was a fan of his, and he was like a mentor to her. Eve the family said she spent time with adults all the time.

I am curious, don't you have a younger cousin? (do you never spend time with younger people?) Do you need to discuss politics with them?

Her family witnessed the fallout and pieced together the puzzle
Which makes no sense because there are good relationships that end badly after years.

A minor with their own place isn't a prodigy in maturity, they're a minor who doesn't have a support system or safety net.
Not exactly, because she had the option of just living at home, but she did not want to.

The past wasn't the golden age of morality. People had no birth control, no women’s rights, no child protection laws. They trampled over each other and clawed their way to the top.

I am not talking that far back, I am talking about my grandparents' generation after the war... which is a generation that still lives today. Yet, they all say it's worse today in terms of dating and respect.
And you think mortality is better today in terms of dating?

"No human society was, is, or will be moral or a moral utopia"

Right, but some do think they are better than others, and think only their way is the right way, even though all countries that are considered democratic and that respect women and men equally seem to be doing ok. My country is in no way depraved, and it's also one of the safest in Europe... The people are simple and normal.


Your not-conservative-or-religious-but-old-fashioned country where:
1) Marriage is seen as sacred
2) Most people get married young
3) Divorce is “allowed,” but rarely happens

Sounds conservative and religious

Yes, but the way to phrased made it sound like it's extreme. It is religious,s not that conservative... but it's not obsessively like that.
But as I said, there are other sets of values that are considered important. But choosing to do things differently is not seen as bad, people won't point the finger... they don't persecute you... The way it happens in Asia for example.
As for number 3... You don't believe that people have successful marriages, right? :)

"The topic isn’t minors being curious, it’s that adults should have zero involvement in the process" Yes, this is right. But what about after? Or are teens from 16 to 18 still discovering for 2 years? If they already have a sexual life, then what? What is the difference between a 16-year-old sleeping around with teens and then deciding to sleep with someone older, like 19 19-year-old?

Your story belongs in the "Unreliable Narrator" section of the bookstore
Good it's not like I am trying to convince you to think like me, it's the internet and this is just a story to you... What I wanted to say was that around the world, depending on the country, things are just different. I don't know how much you traveled, but I did ... and things are very different from place to place.
I think there was a similar scandal about The Dalai Lama, that turned out to be a stupidly edited clip posted by a Western "journalist" who wanted money and attention. When people saw the entire unedited video and learned about the customs, they shut up. But before that, they sure caused him of all kinds of stupid things.

I am pretty sure they make sure their translations are accurate. Defamation laws are pretty strict out there from what I hear.
In a way, but they are an exception, because they can be considered defamation if they are talking about news and they are not the first to report it, the rule is quite strange and complicated from what I heard.

#2 not so fast.
The agency denied any romantic linking between the two actors and clearly knew they had been romantically linked because their following statement was admitting the relationship
(https://www.koreaherald.com/article/10441890)
so that is indeed a lie from the agency

#3 Also stays because GM said they dated while she was an adult but the most recent evidence says otherwise.

That is why I said they did not deny any relationship, they denied them dating at the time of the post. Which is what the Korean YouTuber I follow called the sneaky, on the line and said that they clearly had help from a legal team. And they denied them dating for 5 years, and when she was underage. Then they dated from 2019 to 2020 when she was of age.

This is how I understood the situation.

She posted the pictures, took them off because of the bullies and the YouTuber that kept making content on her.

The agency, in a formal way, denied an existing relationship, formulating the statement in a very specific way (but it was interpreted as a denial, but it was not an out right denial, I am sure they intentionally did it this way)

Then KSH was accused of having a relationship with her when she was 15. He denied that and said he dated her when she was 19.

And then he insisted on saying the accusations were not true and baseless.

Now, for this last handwritten letter, this is the only one that I think they should have started with. Make more sense because it is handwritten. But obviously even with the we can't say when and who wrote it.
I think they should have gone to the police to investigate is KSR's suicide was provoked, and they should have shown this.
Again, I see that people only look at this relationship thing, which is not even the part that they can legally pursue. While for me, the most important thing is what drove her to take her life...? Are they saying it's his fault?




However, I will say this: I believe many factors led to her death. I personally believe KSH was one of them. Why? Because of out of 365 days in a year, she passed on his birthday. The date was not random, it was intentional. Why she was intentional or what message she may have trying to convey, I have no idea.

I don't think the date is relevant at all, because suicide does not work that way. You are not suicidal from one day to another randomly; it's a long process, it's not as impulsive as people think, and it's even less impulsive for girls. Guys are more brutal in their methods, so there is a much higher percentage of "successful" deaths. Girls have different methods and there are more cases of saved victims.
I also know that she tried to take her life before, but failed, and it was not his birthday then.

But if they were close as family they could use it. Let's not forget that she was surrounded "non family adults" and that she was a fan of KSH and that he was like a mentor to her.
If I remember the video well, the Korean youtuber said they were talking about acting and some techique. It was something related they way someone carries theyr body or a position and somethnig with the lower back. Because after that the places her own hand there, with her back straight and she said I can't do it"
If he was close to her as a mentor/brother and did not do sexual things?
I am curious about the dynamic...

Yes, I read this, and I still find it strange.
So they broke up in 2020, they were in contact after that, but after the legal problem, they were not in contact anymore...
Because the friend is kind of implying he is still talking to her... and that he should not.
But after that KSR wants to get in contact with him...
So, were they in contact or not from 2024 to 2025

Also, the translation is again interesting, because the Korean one did not use the word date but meet... We met for 5 or 6 years.
And how was he the first and last, when clearly he was not the last, as she was married?!
I am confused about the dynamics of the 3. Because KSH said he knew about her husband, but the family did not!!! And the husband turned out to be real! The post on her social was also real and maybe posted by the husband (if not by her), and her going to New York is real, but the guy denies violence, abuse and the termination of pregnancy.
Are the recordings real or not?
Who is this "aunty"? She never said what her relationship is exactly with KSR.
And who is KSR's friend who said the husband was abusive?

"It's inappropriate for an adult to send messages expressing 'desire" for physical contact to a minor, or to respond to them"

Why? That is only if you think that hug is sexual... but it does not have to be. That is why I said it is circumstantial.

"Families don’t operate on a PR schedule. Grief, legal considerations, and timing play a role. The letter’s content matters more than the timing of its release"

What I mean to say is that; Why not put this out from the start?
I mean, this would have been more believable, it's handwritten... But they preferred to drag this out to attack him, only to what? There is no legal action against him and he did nothing illegal... but they sure want the YouTube that had nothing to do with this accusation.

"Expressing anger toward harmful media coverage isn’t proof of an agenda"

Wasnt an agenda, but they were blaming different people... they changed their target.
First, the father said KSR was very affected by the content and that she took her life after watching his videos... then later they came out saying they kind of blame KSH for it.
Do they think she dies because they dated?
Also, they said the marriage is not true and that they had never heard of such a thing... But the marriage turned out to be true, so again how involved were they in her life if they never knew what she was doing, even from a young age? And if they did not know, then how can they assume things were bad? Clearly, KSR was not a simple child; she was more adult than many adults today, working and fending for herself alone. I mean she had her own personal apartment, living there the majority of the time. She was not a child. One can say she was forced by the circumstances to mature faster... but her decision making and all was not childish.

People don’t always "cut off" an ex. The letter might be addressing past unresolved feelings, not recent direct contact.
Yes, they don't, if they are on good terms. If they are abusive and manipulative, they do... But she never caused him or blamed him. And clearly, before the legal stuff, they were still talking.
The "misunderstanding" she was writing about in 2024 was about the legal problem... the letters sent by the lawyers.

"Not releasing all the evidence at once is a legal strategy"
I did not mean it that way, I meant to say they put out vague things... why not put out something that is harder to refute?
They said they don't want to put out the most "harmful" evidence, like they were considered to KSH, but that did not make sense because they already said clearly what they were bothered by.
As for being a legal strategy is strange because they did not do anything legally against KSH... like if the relationship turns out true, it's not illegal. So are they saying he killed her? What exactly would the case be?

Is the ex-husband innocent? She was married, is he innocent, or was he abusive/violent? Because that would be a crime.
And again, the parents knew nothing? Then how can they judge her relationships, if they did not see them unfold at all? They did not see the dynamics?

This is so complicated... :(((((

Lie #1
3/24/2024 -"Agency denies Kim Sae-ron, Kim Soo-hyun dating rumours"
(https://www.koreaherald.com/article/3355548)

You can't say it's a lie because the translation is wrong.
In the Korean version the statement of the company was very formal. They did not say they never dated, the corect translation is they said they weren't dating at the moment, so basicly they said that whe nshe posted the picthey were not a couple. Which is not a lie. I fallow a Korean channel that speaks english and he translates everythnig acuratly, explaining the meaning and the formulation. "He described the statement as, very on the line, not exacly denying the entire relationship"
Which clearly was advised by a legal team.

Lie #2
3/12/2025 -"the agency called the allegations "clearly false and baseless" "
(https://www.koreaherald.com/article/10439932)
Yes, because the evidence is circumstantial. And it is indeed circumstantial.

Lie #3
3/14/2025 -"Gold Medalist, stated Friday in a press release, that the actor began dating the late actor Kim Sae-ron when she was an adult.

Yes, this I know, he said they dated from 2019, it's also the year the family said they found out from a postcard from Paris.

But again, this is one story/ narrative, and there is another one on the internet. She said -He said.

But I want to know, what exactly do people want? Because KSR did not die because she dated this guy... I see them stuck on this one thing, when in Korea it was not illegal, and when KSR never caused him anything or blamed him. But she died after having a hard life, many elements contributed, and there is no way I would just point the finger at an ex.

Also, the interview with the husband was interesting... no one thought it was shady at all? (I am not blaming him, but I thought some things he said don't add up).

No, I am not assuming, the family fabricated... I wanted to point out that both sides should be questioned. People heard one side of the news and they immediately took it as fact; even though everyone on the internet talking about it is using "allegedly", why? because everything is circumstantial, and there was no official investigation. If you would see my comments on other pages, I said people should not point fingers until a proper investigation is conducted. And if people attacked KSR, I called them out, exactly in the same way I did people who attack KSH.
I said it before as well, all pictures, letters, message from one side are just as valid as the ones from the other side, but the difference is that one side is portraying themselfs as victims and are seen as such while the other is seen as a bad guy (no "inocent untill proven guilty") people from the start alredy went for him.

The only person here that unfortunately was a victim was KSR, but we don't know exactly what she was a victim of, and 100% from her entire life what happened to her can't be blamed on one person. She never talked badly about KSH, she never blamed him or accused him of anything.

"Power imbalances and manipulation are forms of abuse"
Still, we don't know if there was manipulation or a power imbalance.
Because of the age gap, you assume that the guy approached her only with dirty thoughts and with bad intentions. And because he was older, he had power over her.
But that is an assumption, and is again based on her family's side of the story. Anarative can be created as seen fit.
And it's a she-said-he-said situation.
If the family did not know of the relationship and only found out in 2019 (not what they said at first), how do they know how the relationship developed? They witnessed 0 of it, and even more, KSR was so independent that she had her own apartment, living alone for the majority of the time. She was not a child, she was more independent and mature than many adults nowadays. She was not a typical case.
(I will expand on the abuse thing in a later paragraph)

"Cultural norms don’t override moral principles"
Not exactly, different things are defined in different ways, and things that can be seen as dirty or only sexually in one place can mean different things in other places.
In the past, girls would marry young 15-16-17-18, and at 20, they already had kids and families. It was a majority, and you are right, maybe because women had different rights, they were more likely to be a higher percentage of abuse cases. But I can say the same about the girl who got married at 20 and after. It was not an age issue but more of a "rights issue.
Why did all countries have young marriages? Was the world immoral? In the past, people had a more strict lifestyle, values were important, self-respect and so on. How immoral was the world then?
Even now, the age of consent is different from country to country and in the US from state to state. Why is that? Isn't it because, depending on how people grow up, what type of life they lead influences their knowledge and their maturity. Yes, someone who is sheltered all the time will not be the same as a teen who has a different lifestyle.

"Adults have a moral responsibility to protect minors. Any relationship between an adult and a minor is an abuse of that moral responsibility. The onus is on the adult to maintain appropriate boundaries and to understand their interaction with a minor is unequal"
You would think that, but in my country it is not like that. Teens hear are completely different. Which is why I think the age of consent is 16. Not only that, but by law, they are allowed to date people older by 5 years (21-year-olds). Why do you think that is?
It's because it's another culture, with a completely different lifestyle, with teens who are very sexually active and independent. Alcohol consumption is also allowed under age with parental approval, and so is marriage at 16. So in my country, it is considered that at 16, teens know if they want to sleep with someone or not; sex is not a taboo subject.
One can't stop teens from discovering their sexuality, exploring and so on... But after everything that I said, I have to mention that there are not a lot of teen pregnancies or abuse of alcohol, basically, teens are responsible... Obviously, there are cases where things are not ok, but they are the exception.
Now people here on the internet would say, a 16 and a 21-year-old... That would make him a pedo. So I have to mention that even the definition of pedo is different here and it's still considered bad.
The law states that a paedophile is someone over age, who wants to corrupt an underage person who is not sexually aware or sexually active already. It literally refers to someone who wants to take a child's innocence and target them for that. In such cases, the word of the teen is the most important and a professional psychologist is called in to assist.
So it's not morally wrong to have sex and be in a relationship with someone under age who already has a sexual life, because they are considered apt enough to decide.

"How do you know they are happy and not lying about it? More conservative, religious cultures have extreme social stigma against divorce. They pressure people to stay in unhappy, abusive marriages"

I know they are not lying about it because I grew up surrounded by them.
I was the odd one out because I was not sexually active as a teen. I never said my country is conservative and extremely religious. More like old-fashioned in a way, in which the majority think marriage is sacred, and they do think having a family is good.
Still, women and men are equal, and divorce is normal (not looked down on). There is no pressure to stay in an abusive marriage, not by society or anything else.

I will give you an example, it's in my family.
My cousin was very independent as a child, her parents worked in Spain while she lived with grandma in our native country. She always knew what she wanted, and she was always very opinionated.
When she was 15, she fell for an older guy (he was not her first crush or anything), but the guy was in a relationship. But as I told you, my cousin knows what she wants, so she was going around in the same places he did and she was waiting for an opportunity. When the guy broke up with his girlfriend, my cousin was there to introduce herself.
She told me she knew they won't last because he was very much a catch, and there were a lot of people flirting with him.
So then she took the opportunity to get to know him, and they were dating casually, but eventually the guy agreed to be her boyfriend.
They dated for 2 years, but when she was 17, she moved to Spain with her family and finished her studies there. But they kept talking online and when she came back, they got back together again.
Now they are married and have a kid. He is a lawyer, and she has her own business, makes way more money than he does (I mention this to show that she is not just a stay-at-home mom she has a career, she is a boss). She bought a few apartments (got into real estate) and built a house for them, and she is the head of the family. They go 4 times on vacation/ year, traveling where they want. They have been happily married for more than 10 years now, and there is no abuse.
Same with my best friend, she married at 18 a guy 5 years older than her (obviously they were dating before that), she has a YouTube channel, 2 kids, has their own business and house. No abuse, no manipulation, no nothing, just happy. Same with my neighbour, has a partner 12 years older, they have a kid, they are happy.
Obviously, not everyone has big age gaps or dated guys over the age, but the majority are married with kids.
Marriage and owning a house are something that are valued here.
In conclusion, marrying young does not mean there is pressure for society, or that there is manipulation/ being forced and divorce it's not looked down on.
It's just that the people here think that a fulfilling life looks a certain way, and they are very family-oriented.

"Is it morally wrong?"

"Yes"

I don't think it applies the same everywhere. I am sorry, but I think it's case by case... If there is abuse, manipulation, and someone preys on the innocence of a kid, that is bad, that is morally wrong... But if there is respect in the relationship, and both people want the relationship, then I don't think it's morally wrong.

I also want to say that in some countries, it's not normal for adults who are not related to a child to have a close relationship with that child, but in my country, it's normal. I was raised by an entire community, and when was 10/11 I was incredibly close to a teacher of mine (he died a few years ago).
But he was someone who inspired me to pick up art, and I spent a lot of time with him; he took time off to teach me art, and he never asked for money. Kids at school would make jokes about "me being his girlfriend" but I never cared because nothing bad ever happened, he never tried anything. He took a lot of pictures of me and painted me, I have a few paintings now.
People could interpret his actions as well... but he never did anything wrong.

I guess from what I witnessed as a teenager and how others were behaving, I know that they were not dumb and they understood what they were doing.

The reason why I said about having extra reasons, is because from what I know in Korea the debt is on the family not only on a person, so if KSR died, from what I know the family would still need to pay. So there would be an insentive for them to make money.
Yes, it could be fake or true. But even without an official investigation people alredy went crazy, and I saw hoorible things written.
And even if the dating would be true it does not mean there was abuse...
As for the validity, well I think it's depends. If a scandal channel was cought in lies before and has a strong political push, I am tempted to not belive everything as presented. Before all this scandal happened I knew of Garosero, because he spread lies before.
One thing is sure, legally nothing bad happened, and moraly it depends. Again diffrent societies and cultures are different. In my country people are more traditional and Christian and under aged people are allowed to date adults... the majority marry young by 27 they are married with kids, the rate of divorce is low (23%)... They are happy. Is it morally wrong? It's old fasioned for sure.
I think it's morally wrong only if there is abuse.
But I think it's a complicated subject and I know KSR died, and she did not have an easy life. But I think her death can't be put on only one person, as the family said.

GM did not lie at all.
Their answer was tactical and formal. The translations sucked but what they actually said had 0 lies.
The famly did lie.
They said she was not marrie and they are in pain because of such lies, they said they never heard about a marriage but then Garosero relesed the marriage certificate, she was married and the family knew nothing about? Were they even in her life? Also would an abusive husband (ex husband) say ooo yes I beat her up all the time? No he would not, because that is actually illegal.
So if the marriage turned out true, are the voice recordings true, tose were said by her own mouth...
So did she die because of bulling and abuse... or did she die for soemthing that happened in 2020?
It's litteraly a he said she said situation.
The evidence they showed was circumstantial, they also change their story a bit from the firs to the second interview and they contradicted themselves...
What lies did GM say? I did not see one.
There is a protocol in certain situations, no idol or celebritiy will come out in Korea and talk openly about their ex partner, current partners and dating life. That is a fact, some did and they were all bullied, so even took their life.
So when KSR posted that picture without context it is obvious that They would deny a relationship, they did not want to expose private things. But they formulated it very smartly, because they did not say we never tated, they said they are in a relationship at the moment. So they did not completly denied they ever were in a relationship.
Then after the pictures he said they were not from the same time and that they dated in 2019 in the pic in which they are kissing.
They never said anything bad about the family or KSR but in the end the only proof or move they made untill now is to say about the marriage. And the marriage is not a lie (Garosero even said it's true).
So here we have a family pointing finger about an ex and not even knowing that their daughter was married...
I want an official investigation because this is an insane situation.
They said they did not know about their relationship but they found out in 2019, even though he was openly sending letters to her house, and they mentioned she was always surrounded/ in contact with adults... but they sumed the abused her? But they saw nothing wrong in 5/6 years? That is shady...
Even more whe nonce they said they found out in 2017 but then they took it back. The letters were not romantic at all, I miss you , I love you one can say to friends and even more if they are isolated for more than a year away from their loved ones.
While her ex husband said they loved eachother so much they got married but canceled the marriage in 1 month because what? In one month people are in honeymoon phase if they loved eachother as much as he said... so what would make a couple that is very much inlove to void their marriage?
The information is shady.