Renata MJ

In my country in the 90s and early 2000s there was an "invasion" of rom-coms, those were super idealized and people knew they did not reflect reality but everything was romanticized and there was a culture of shipping even in the west (even if they were not overly agresive). I thought it was strange, so when I saw a similar type of culture in the BL industry I stayed away.
I saw one omega verse it was the Thai one, this one on this page I did not see. And I think you are right this genre is made kind of like an ultimate BL univese, and it does seem to go hand in heand with an erotic fantasy/genre at its roots. But I also did not consume other media of this genre, so UI don't actually know actual stories or variations. I just looked up the "rules of the universe"/ characteristics.

Don't worry I never thought you wrote anything rude or unreasonable!!! I understand what you meant and I did enjoy reading your comments and experience. :) Communicating like this is nice to learn about people's experiences.
I know the content can be diverse, but it's idealized most of the time (that is what I was referring to). Also, I can imagine long comments can get overwhelming, it's a "me thing", because I am very particular about this (I studied script writing, character design and development, animation, storyboards, and so on, so I like to research info about production, postproduction, genres, and camera work, so I tend to be exact).
It was good hearing from you, hope you will have a good time enjoying the series!!

I am not sure you understood. The origins are from the countries that make BL, so the way they are made is still the same, and as you mentioned about "facts" you can't change them.
The people that make it and the reason they make it is not what you mentioned, that is the fact.
Since you mentioned your story, I can only conclude that you are from a country that is not open to the LGBTQA+ community and it helped you, I did not say that is excluded or impossible. I as you mentioned was talking objectively about the purpose of the genre in its creation, and it's not to promote or make the content realistic.
If you had your personal experience and it opened your mind, that is very good but your experience may not be the norm, as research and the percentages show the main audience is teen girls and women around 30 years old give or take (main consumer) the rest of the percentage is diverse, but not a majority (your experience is not invalidated, I am not trying to do that). But the BL genre has certain characteristics, and it's important to be separated from the LGBTQIAA+ because a lot of times it does not reflect reality, it does not talk about their experience and there are a lot of projects even here in the West and Asia as well that are doing exactly what you said, they promote diversity, bring awareness, presents facts and stories mainly to support the community. The projects are serious and masterpieces (they are some of my favorite movies).
As for the last part you mentioned, the tags are important for people to know what to expect, and how to approach the projects.
Anyway, the idea is that the BL projects are generally idealized and constructed in ways that don't speak up on the real issues because their purpose is different, while the LGBT+ projects are made mainly for the purpose you mentioned.
I don't know if I managed to express accurately what I wanted... I hope I did.

Also it can't show how it's normal, because the target audience is different. The people that should learn to tolarate (in our days) are not the young girls but the older generation, and they don't consume the media, the biggest procentage are women starting from teen to around 30 years old, and the rest is a smaller procentage.
Korea came in the game later with BL's and they do slice of life but the projects are not mainstream or Televised. As for China... we all know how that went.

No true, the purpose of Western LGBTQA+ is what you said. But BL is a genre that came from Japan and it started as erotica made by women in the 70s (it was a self-published work - Doujinshi) and it was a subgenre of
shōnen-ai ). Later it became varied and the word had certain traits and names such as Tanbi, June, Yaoi, and so on. There is a genre created by gay men dedicated more to gay men called Bara.
"Yaoi also known as boys' love with the abbreviation BL, is a genre of fictional media originating in Japan that features homoerotic relationships between male characters.
It is typically created by women for women and is thus distinct from bara (gay manga), a genre of homoerotic media marketed to gay men, though Yaoi does also attract a male audience and can be produced by male creators.
Yaoi spans a wide range of media, including manga, anime, drama CDs, novels, video games, television series, films, and fan works. While "yaoi" is commonly used in the West as an umbrella term for Japanese-influenced media with male-male relationships, "boys' love" and "BL" are the generic terms for this kind of media in Japan and much of Asia."
This BL genre and subgenres all came up at first from erotica, then years later when people noticed the genre was marketable original works started to be made and the target audience became varied in age (15+ and 18+), creating shonen-ai (a genre of shōjo manga -girls' manga- featuring romance between bishōnen (lit. "beautiful boys"), a term for androgynous or effeminate male characters. Early shōnen-ai works were inspired by European literature, the writings of Taruho Inagaki, and the Bildungsroman genre. Shōnen-ai often features references to literature, history, science, and philosophy). The work is meant to be like a fantasy and does not focus on sexual orientation which is why a lot of time they say "I love you, I don't love other boys, just you" or there are some themed manga that the woman species does not even exist.
I even remember reading they said that in some BL worlds, there is no such thing as "gay" because liking someone is such a normal thing that they don't use real-world concepts that separate orientations (there is no such thing as straight or gay as a separation/distinction).

A fact can't cange, one can not erase the past, you should not ask people to lie about their thought. Also BL has nothing to do with LGBTQ+, it's a fantasy genre created by women for wemen, and in the majority of the stories orientation is not a center theme, or even mentioned. That is why they use the phrase "I love you specifically, I don't love guys , I love you" in some works, and they don't focus on specific terms. The genre event started from erotica.
Puting the genre in the LGBTQ would be like people saying AV with only girls are connected with the LGBTQ when they are not it's just an erotic genre that boys watch, and they don't think of Lesbians in real life decently.
It's only a fantasy genre that caters to them without having real connection with reality.
Same with BL, it's ment to be romantic, a fantasy, sometimes erotica and it tuggs at girl's hearts. It does not represent the realities of the LGBTQA+ comunity ( the west misunderstands the genre).
Also having a diffrent oppinion does not make a person a hater (homophobic) or does not make them someone that does not support the comunity. When there are complicated subjects things are never simple.

Well you just said she is a woman that wants to be a man, her "wants" does not change the fact that she was born a woman. So yes, only woman can get pregnant and women that pretent to be men but were born as a woma.
The statement is logical.

There is no purpose for BL, BL is like the name that incapsulates so many diffrent types of BL's, in Japan there are categories that describe certain genres like shōnen-ai (which has bishōnen characetrs, a term for androgynous or effeminate male characters). So there are specific types of BL that focuse on that type of people.
Early shōnen-ai works were inspired by European literature, the writings of Taruho Inagaki and the Bildungsroman genre. Shōnen-ai often features references to literature, history, science, and philosophy.
Suzuki describes the genre as being "pedantic" and "difficult to understand", with "philosophical and abstract musings" that challenged young readers who were often only able to understand the references and deeper themes as they grew older.
There is "Tanbi" wich is more like an aesthetic fiction.

"June" that is a bL genre that describes bL's with a certain art style. The term is not used anymore.

"Yaoi" which describes a thing in the west and another in Japan, they way the term is used is a bit diffrent.
There are a few others as well.

OK that person and you are angels!! TY!!! <3

What do you think BL is? It has many themes, if you don't like the universe you can just not go for it, let others that like it read it :))

Why does a fantasy world always have to mirror real life, why can't it be just someon's fantasy that loves men? The majority of these projects (manga) are writen by women for women... and this is just a genre (the first thing that it made me think about when I read about it, is that someone just took warewoolf mithology and changed them to fit a BL universe). In some cases it is 18+ and it becomes erotica, but still it's a fantasy.
If guys watch AV watching just girls (that means they like that genre), I figured the 18+ are for girls that like to watch men.
BL's (yaoi) first appeard in Japan as fan fictions depicting 18+ actions of diffrent characters (from other works), later it became a proper genre with original work and diverse plots and themes with stories for differernt ages.

Lol I saw the same drama and had to research as well :))) To me it seems to be just a fantasy genre. I researched the universe on the internet and came to the conclusion that the omegaverse in diffrent. In some of them girls don't exist, in some the characters have superpowers and in others the characters exibit strong animalistic instincts.
The guys are some kind of diffrent human species that are devided in categories (alpha, beta and omega, which reminded me of warewolfs or Teen Wolf).
Now I also read that a type can get pregnant. I also found that they have quite varied ploths or themes, some have sports, some have crime tags and so on.
But some aare 15+ and other are 18+ and closer to erotica which can play on dark themes that are not for everyone. I don't watch them because I like romance but I also don't take them seriously because I am aware it's fantasy and some like them.

From my point of view, this is like a different universe with different rules.
I discovered the idea of omegaverse after watching a Thai drama, it was something new that I did not know about so I started researching.
After reading about the universe, I realized in some there are only guys, in some they have superpowers, and in others, they are more extreme and seem to be more animalistic (or like werewolves that lose control of their senses, or somehow become erotic) and my conclusion was that this genre has close traits with erotica, and some play on ra*e fantasy, but I can't take it seriously be because it's a genre for Adults that exists.
I only saw one project from the omegaverse the Thai one...
I read about the BL industry as well, how it came up in Japan, and how it's viewed in Asia compared to the West. I found that there are many genres in the BL industry, that have specific traits, some of them are 15 + and some genres are 18+ and are meant to be erotica, straight girls do consume erotica as books, graphic novels, and manga way more than in Video content, compared to guys that watch AV more than read about them.
I figured that Omegaverse is just part of the 18+ more times and that they play on different fantasy/ roleplay themes, it's not for everyone, people should just read the tags, to avoid things they don't like.

I think you misunderstood the genre... I found out about the omegavers around now when I watched a Thai BL. There is nothing to get mad about, it's a simple fantasy genre that takes place in a Universe with diffrent rule, in some of the stories females don't even exist.
No one is thinking that a man can get pregnant in reality, people know this is fantasy.
I saw movies in which a famale character gave birth to an egg, that does not happen in real life.
The reason people said "0 logic" is because this is not meant to represent our reality and people should not take it seriously (it's nothing to get angry about).

In the past I mainly watched Japanese shows but a few years ago everythime I wanted to watch one I had a harder time to find them, or they did not have eng sub or they never uploaded all episodes... so I slowly stoped searching for Japanese shows...
This one I can't even find on avistaz...

:))

I noticed that as well :) I also thought 2024 has a dark theme, I see BL "horror" shows.

I noticed that as well :) I also thought 2024 has a dark theme, I see BL "horror" shows.

My Engineer had 4 versions... so who knows. It is something very well known in the Thai BL industry, that it takes time to put something together.

Yaoi also known as boys' love with the abbreviation BL, is a genre of fictional media originating in Japan that features homoerotic relationships between male characters.
It is typically created by women for women and is thus distinct from bara (gay manga), a genre of homoerotic media marketed to gay men, though yaoi does also attract a male audience and can be produced by male creators.
Yaoi spans a wide range of media, including manga, anime, drama CDs, novels, video games, television series, films, and fan works. While "yaoi" is commonly used in the west as an umbrella term for Japanese-influenced media with male-male relationships, "boys' love" and "BL" are the generic terms for this kind of media in Japan and much of Asia.

The genre originated in the 1970s as a subgenre of shōjo manga, or comics for girls. Several terms were used for the new genre, including shōnen-ai (lit. "boy love"), tanbi (lit. "aesthetic"), and June. The term yaoi emerged in the late 1970s and early 1980s in the context of dōjinshi (self-published works) culture as a portmanteau of yama nashi, ochi nashi, imi nashi ("no climax, no point, no meaning"), where it was used in a self-deprecating manner to refer to amateur fan works that focused on sex to the exclusion of plot and character development (meaning work that falls in erotica category), and that often parodied mainstream manga and anime by depicting male characters from popular series in sexual scenarios. "Boys' love" was later adopted by Japanese publications in the 1990s as an umbrella term for male-male romance media marketed to women.

Concepts and themes associated with yaoi include androgynous men known as bishōnen; diminished female characters; narratives that emphasize homosociality and de-emphasize socio-cultural homophobia; and depictions of rape. A defining characteristic of yaoi is the practice of pairing characters in relationships according to the roles of seme, the sexual top or active pursuer, and uke, the sexual bottom or passive pursued. Yaoi has a robust global presence, having spread since the 1990s through international licensing and distribution, as well as through unlicensed circulation of works by yaoi fans online. Yaoi works, culture, and fandom have been studied and discussed by scholars and journalists worldwide.

So basicly BL's are usually shows that are targeted for girls, are not meant to be very realistic but more romanticized or erotic. There were many term in Japan used for works showing relationships between boys targeted for women, and each had specific traits that would set them apart but they always ended up intertwining so they ended up using only a few main terms.
Yaoi has become an umbrella term in the West for Japanese -influenced projects with male-male relationships targeted for women, and it is the term preferentially used by American manga publishers for works of this kind, but Japan uses the term yaoi to denote dōjinshi and works that focus on sex scenes (erotica). In both usages, yaoi and boys' love excludes gay manga (bara), a genre which also depicts gay male sexual relationships, but is made for and mostly by gay men.
In the West, the term shōnen-ai is sometimes used to describe titles that focus on romance over explicit sexual content, while yaoi is used to describe titles that primarily feature sexually explicit themes and subject material. Yaoi can also be used by Western fans as a label for anime or manga-based slash fiction. 
The Japanese use of yaoi to denote only works with explicit scenes sometimes clashes with the Western use of the word to describe the genre as a whole, creating confusion between Japanese and Western audiences.