The wife cheats, the husband fines out, the husband has the opportunity to hice her a gaste lf her own medicines…
You guys are missing out on the cultural differences, in the whole Far East it is deeply rooted, educated in them that revenge is not a solution, so they usually try their best to avoid that. It is realistic, it is just their reality, not all of them but they do have a higher level of morals.
One need to be open-minded and clear-sighted for this, were you that? Enough?
Interesting you see the ML that way, he wasn't that, quite the opposite. This story has deep layers as well, you have to be insightful to enjoy a story like this. But I understand your pov too, from an ankle it is like that.
I don't think this drama says that. In fact, what I felt throughout the whole story that it tries so goddamn hard…
Please read my comment again and understand its meaning. I only said that I experienced quite the opposite of what you wrote previously. I experienced that this show conveys the message that cheating is bad. I also added my opinion that it is just as much the husband's fault as the wife's, by needs I meant other things such as emotional, communicational and sensational connection which their relationship clearly lacked in, I meant by that that it is just as much the husband's fault as the wife's. But the act of cheating is solely on the wife and her partner in crime, the lover. Cheating is cheating, I never said anything about the reasons behind THAT, only about the reasons that had lead to that miserable act.
what did you find illogical? For understanding this story, especially tha males' one has to walk on earth with…
Wow if I would be a teacher I would defenitely praise your writing containing so much details, but I'd also mention your little mistakes as jumping quickly to conclusions and assumptions. But aside from that I'm thankful for letting me having a glimpse into your culture and your country's way of thinking, it is very much different and it has its aspect that I certainly think can be, even should be respected and admired bc this kind of 'rigid' defensiveness towards cheating is what our culture really lacks, although mostly we are also against it but there's another narrative out here that it is not a big deal either. One thing to say, I'm sorry if I was rude to any of your intentions, I kinda feel (based on the great length of your writing and the words you used) that I made you pretty much worked up although that was not my intetion at all. Please do mind that it is possible to have conversations about any topic without hurting each other's feelings, pride, ego whatsoever. Point is you don't have to assume immediately that someone is trying to put you down by saying how one experienced things, that is certainly not my aim, I was and am genuinely curious about your point of view this is why I started the conversation. Yes, your culture really does have a different attitude towards the problem and I think globally speaking it is just a thing you should just have it in mind whatever you're dealing with that is from outside of your conutry, but very important is to be respectful to the other attitude too. Yes, this story suggest the importance of forgiveness and selflessness which is why it gained my admiration. I understand your pov, still... in marriage cheating is a mistake as everybody knows. But have you done other mistakes of any kind in your life? Because if you have, just imagine how would it have been if someone had left you total behind because you made a mistake. Ok, digging deeper there are different levels of mistakes based on their severity but from what you said you are a bit lacking in empathy. I don't defend this wife, I just want to enstrengthen a (imo) more positive attitude towards it. Because you know it is just so much easier to preach, judge and criticise from the outside but waaayyy more harder to live up to your own words and standards. And this story was so beautifully insightful, it depicted how people are really feel in hard times and you are wrong, this story didn't justified her actions at all, didn't made her a goddess or 'unscathed' , much more of the opposite. This story actually expressed a very clear opinion on cheating and it condemned it with passion.
>>>'a way the writer of this drama mentions that you can always end up unscathed even though you hurt others by INFIDELITY.'<<<<< -- That is so not true. Just look at the wife and her face, it is all written on her face that she had also lost from her integrity by this and she won't be 'unscathed' , like ever.
>>>>'And in this drama the first case occurred where the wife doesn't even regret cheating on her husband.' <<<<<<< ---- This is also not okay to say bc wife is unregretful only about a few days in the story after husband has found out the thing. But after that for weeks and weeks and... You just can't say that, until the very end she regrets it pretty much.
Read a few recaps of episodes, and realised that this drama was either written by a woman or a man with feminist…
I don't think this drama says that. In fact, what I felt throughout the whole story that it tries so goddamn hard deliver the message that cheating is still bad, no matter what. This woman just tells her explanation, but there's no justification or whatsoever in it in any second, what really is there is despise (watch the brothers' reactions) but then forgiveness and unforgiveness as well. I wouldn't say this is entirely the husband's fault but nor would I say it isn't. He really was like his wife wasn't even there, no talk, no connection in any level, he was self-absorbed way too many times and neglected her. Cheating is of course not the solution for this, but at one point the wife didn't search for solution but for wayout. People have needs, one cannot be in constant denial of that and ignore it all the time.
what did you find illogical? For understanding this story, especially tha males' one has to walk on earth with…
well. You didn't offended me, you just made me wonder if we had watched the same story. Mostly I think you are right, but then again, not so. First thing is that where did u read it out in this story that the wife wanted to destroy his husbands life? It was actually the CEO. Yeah she was certainly unhappy in their marriage because of numerous things and yes this you got it right as writers didn't create a palette for us with the reasons of this, but I think they did it intendedly because they wanted us to get only a glimpse of the typical hardships/problems of a marriage, the rest I think we all can imagine whether married or not. Soooo, unhappy wife cheats and I think this is where you got it a bit wrong, because she just did it WITHOUT thinking of the consequences that much (as one does it usually with that mindset). In her eyes the steps she made weren't considered as 'ruining', remember how many times she mentioned in the beginning that his husband can get a job at another company. From her perspective, she wanted to be with her lover, for that she aimed for divorce. But remember, getting him fired was an idea that came from Do Joon Young bc he felt guilt whenever he met him. The wife was mostly only asking about how the things going, and yes she wasn't against DJY's plans, because she was still in a sort of anger with him (or rather dissatisfaction). This story tells us beautifully how bad is when we're acting out of anger or anything negative. (Though on a human level I can relate with the wife).
I agree with you that in real life mostly divorce is the solution that this world prefers however I strongly disagree with it and I was very happy to see here another solution. Well, I'm from Europe and religious as well, we believe that one can fight for his marriage, there is real forgiveness in this world, both I had seen in my life so far. I get why some ppl here in the comment section claimed him to be 'wimpy', in my eyes he was or at least most of the time tried to be selfless, the reason why many ppl liked him in his environment is how no matter what he tried to find solutions that work for everybody. In the story it is also stated that bc of this many of them think of him as stupid.
Anyway, when wife does what she does, only after she gets the realization and the real consequences of her actions and thank god she has enough conscience to get out from it asap which she does. And after that, although there's not much she can do to make amends (story suggests that, I think in reality there's plenty thing to do when making amends), she really regrets, constantly apologizes and later on she at least does not create any more problems, she supports his husband in getting the director position. Another thing I totally agree that none of it happened if they were talking, talking, f*ckin talking to each other. But that's it, a verryyy typical Far-Eastern cultural thing, still affecting their lives that one should keep emotions inside. It's very zen. On one hand it is beautiful bc they're way more disciplined ppl than us but here is the flip side of it.
'our real life doesn't suck as much as we think it does.' --- Totally agree, but halfway this is a message for you as well I believe. I mean from your comment one thing does come out very quickly, that you are on one hand very down-to-earth, which is a very good thing, on the other hand even a bit of pessimistic. You should believe more in the goodness of people, like there are really good people out there who tries to understand, to forgive, to save relationships and such, not only those who destroys things. However I know, easy to say, but if you haven't seen many of this of course, you have a perspective like that, that is totally okay, too. Mine is just different bc of my experiences.
And that wasn't the only problem or loop hole there. Dong Joon's wife had an affair with the boss, and conspired…
what did you find illogical? For understanding this story, especially tha males' one has to walk on earth with both feet, in reality it is rather like this, we don't know about each other's actions, feelings, aims, true intentions, plans. What you may feel is the lack of fiction because here everything is very real and humane whereas in other dramas problems are usually solved with fictionally possible solutions that wouldn't work in reality.
wow funny how you don't understand the girl here while your comment is... like this mess sorry but it is hard to catch even a thing from your writing. how could you give such high rate if you didn't understand the much of the story? problem was with the wineries that our dear Lu Wei Xun had not only one and they were also related to the Pear Blossom liquor I mean his father made that relation bc of his wife. And LWX had huge financial problems, he couldn't afford a murder case bc it might closes down one of the wineries (i don't remember which one). you also need to be clear with what you wanna say, you spits words of bar and LWX's house like wayyy to many times but never clarifies what exactly you don't understand. They weren't in the house or in the bar only just one time, which scene confused you that much? if you think about the bar scene where LWX beats up YN it is partially jealousy and also the protection of his taste bc if HB gets closer with his senior, they kiss and his taste's moves on to YN's. LWX didn't want to risk even that much quite understandably. He makes living out of that after all....
'Why would she brushed her crush that easily after she found out he actually died?' What do you mean by that? what should she have done then? continue grieving till the end of her life? she did grieved tho, there are some scenes as proofs of that. He did matter to her, check the 2nd beach walk scene. I think it was pretty logical how she handled that and also emotionally mature, I didn't see much problem with that. The rest I pretty much agree on while despite its imperfections this is one of my favourite drama :)
wow I think it's really not a surprise if you gave up paying attention to the plot then it became such a dull thing to you. Yout have to bear paying attention in order to get your critique straight at least... Ireine's acting is one of the best here imo maybe you just didn't like the character? or you could say the character lacked something for you... and the SML thing: again, without the knowledge of the plot it's really no wonder why you don't understand the FL's sudden turn to the ML but it's there, reasonable and understandable.
A bad male lead does not have to mean it's a bad drama if it's any consolation
I know, I never meant it that way. I was just saying my thoughts out loud, I mean I liked the ML in the above mentioned shows too so I was a bit sad that others didn't eye to eye on this with me but of course it is how it is with tastes and stuff...
I'm so... lets say sad seeing how my favourite shows are on this list. I know different povs and all but... :'( It is really subjective since I can go totally crazy for many really not great shows (one hella fav of mine is Good Morning Call, almost nobody likes it lolll) and shows like Bel Ami which somehow always entertain me while I can genuinely hate Playful Kiss and the Heirs (mostly I don't like Korean dramas anyway) tho objectively speking they're wayyy better than others. Hmm this is how it is, sticks and stones...
Watch them all, drop them later if they don't work :)
ahh if I had the time for that... but thanks anyway :) I'll try make a list of the most promising ones and then I'll start somewhere... but problem is that there are just as much good dramas from Korea and China at the same time... ahh anyway, I'm glad, it is better to have a wide range of varieties than much of the same type :)
Watched episode 12, and I have to laugh at the second couple. So SML isn't bad because he could not carry out…
They mean he still has got some goodness in himself bc he stopped the evil act. They don't say he's good bc of it. He's a human being, not with only one dimension, that's all.
I also added my opinion that it is just as much the husband's fault as the wife's, by needs I meant other things such as emotional, communicational and sensational connection which their relationship clearly lacked in, I meant by that that it is just as much the husband's fault as the wife's. But the act of cheating is solely on the wife and her partner in crime, the lover.
Cheating is cheating, I never said anything about the reasons behind THAT, only about the reasons that had lead to that miserable act.
One thing to say, I'm sorry if I was rude to any of your intentions, I kinda feel (based on the great length of your writing and the words you used) that I made you pretty much worked up although that was not my intetion at all. Please do mind that it is possible to have conversations about any topic without hurting each other's feelings, pride, ego whatsoever. Point is you don't have to assume immediately that someone is trying to put you down by saying how one experienced things, that is certainly not my aim, I was and am genuinely curious about your point of view this is why I started the conversation.
Yes, your culture really does have a different attitude towards the problem and I think globally speaking it is just a thing you should just have it in mind whatever you're dealing with that is from outside of your conutry, but very important is to be respectful to the other attitude too. Yes, this story suggest the importance of forgiveness and selflessness which is why it gained my admiration. I understand your pov, still... in marriage cheating is a mistake as everybody knows. But have you done other mistakes of any kind in your life? Because if you have, just imagine how would it have been if someone had left you total behind because you made a mistake. Ok, digging deeper there are different levels of mistakes based on their severity but from what you said you are a bit lacking in empathy. I don't defend this wife, I just want to enstrengthen a (imo) more positive attitude towards it. Because you know it is just so much easier to preach, judge and criticise from the outside but waaayyy more harder to live up to your own words and standards. And this story was so beautifully insightful, it depicted how people are really feel in hard times and you are wrong, this story didn't justified her actions at all, didn't made her a goddess or 'unscathed' , much more of the opposite. This story actually expressed a very clear opinion on cheating and it condemned it with passion.
>>>'a way the writer of this drama mentions that you can always end up unscathed even though you hurt others by INFIDELITY.'<<<<<
-- That is so not true. Just look at the wife and her face, it is all written on her face that she had also lost from her integrity by this and she won't be 'unscathed' , like ever.
>>>>'And in this drama the first case occurred where the wife doesn't even regret cheating on her husband.' <<<<<<<
---- This is also not okay to say bc wife is unregretful only about a few days in the story after husband has found out the thing. But after that for weeks and weeks and... You just can't say that, until the very end she regrets it pretty much.
I wouldn't say this is entirely the husband's fault but nor would I say it isn't. He really was like his wife wasn't even there, no talk, no connection in any level, he was self-absorbed way too many times and neglected her. Cheating is of course not the solution for this, but at one point the wife didn't search for solution but for wayout. People have needs, one cannot be in constant denial of that and ignore it all the time.
You didn't offended me, you just made me wonder if we had watched the same story. Mostly I think you are right, but then again, not so. First thing is that where did u read it out in this story that the wife wanted to destroy his husbands life? It was actually the CEO. Yeah she was certainly unhappy in their marriage because of numerous things and yes this you got it right as writers didn't create a palette for us with the reasons of this, but I think they did it intendedly because they wanted us to get only a glimpse of the typical hardships/problems of a marriage, the rest I think we all can imagine whether married or not. Soooo, unhappy wife cheats and I think this is where you got it a bit wrong, because she just did it WITHOUT thinking of the consequences that much (as one does it usually with that mindset). In her eyes the steps she made weren't considered as 'ruining', remember how many times she mentioned in the beginning that his husband can get a job at another company. From her perspective, she wanted to be with her lover, for that she aimed for divorce. But remember, getting him fired was an idea that came from Do Joon Young bc he felt guilt whenever he met him. The wife was mostly only asking about how the things going, and yes she wasn't against DJY's plans, because she was still in a sort of anger with him (or rather dissatisfaction). This story tells us beautifully how bad is when we're acting out of anger or anything negative. (Though on a human level I can relate with the wife).
I agree with you that in real life mostly divorce is the solution that this world prefers however I strongly disagree with it and I was very happy to see here another solution. Well, I'm from Europe and religious as well, we believe that one can fight for his marriage, there is real forgiveness in this world, both I had seen in my life so far.
I get why some ppl here in the comment section claimed him to be 'wimpy', in my eyes he was or at least most of the time tried to be selfless, the reason why many ppl liked him in his environment is how no matter what he tried to find solutions that work for everybody. In the story it is also stated that bc of this many of them think of him as stupid.
Anyway, when wife does what she does, only after she gets the realization and the real consequences of her actions and thank god she has enough conscience to get out from it asap which she does. And after that, although there's not much she can do to make amends (story suggests that, I think in reality there's plenty thing to do when making amends), she really regrets, constantly apologizes and later on she at least does not create any more problems, she supports his husband in getting the director position.
Another thing I totally agree that none of it happened if they were talking, talking, f*ckin talking to each other. But that's it, a verryyy typical Far-Eastern cultural thing, still affecting their lives that one should keep emotions inside. It's very zen. On one hand it is beautiful bc they're way more disciplined ppl than us but here is the flip side of it.
'our real life doesn't suck as much as we think it does.'
--- Totally agree, but halfway this is a message for you as well I believe.
I mean from your comment one thing does come out very quickly, that you are on one hand very down-to-earth, which is a very good thing, on the other hand even a bit of pessimistic. You should believe more in the goodness of people, like there are really good people out there who tries to understand, to forgive, to save relationships and such, not only those who destroys things. However I know, easy to say, but if you haven't seen many of this of course, you have a perspective like that, that is totally okay, too. Mine is just different bc of my experiences.
problem was with the wineries that our dear Lu Wei Xun had not only one and they were also related to the Pear Blossom liquor I mean his father made that relation bc of his wife. And LWX had huge financial problems, he couldn't afford a murder case bc it might closes down one of the wineries (i don't remember which one).
you also need to be clear with what you wanna say, you spits words of bar and LWX's house like wayyy to many times but never clarifies what exactly you don't understand. They weren't in the house or in the bar only just one time, which scene confused you that much?
if you think about the bar scene where LWX beats up YN it is partially jealousy and also the protection of his taste bc if HB gets closer with his senior, they kiss and his taste's moves on to YN's. LWX didn't want to risk even that much quite understandably. He makes living out of that after all....
What do you mean by that? what should she have done then? continue grieving till the end of her life? she did grieved tho, there are some scenes as proofs of that. He did matter to her, check the 2nd beach walk scene. I think it was pretty logical how she handled that and also emotionally mature, I didn't see much problem with that. The rest I pretty much agree on while despite its imperfections this is one of my favourite drama :)
Ireine's acting is one of the best here imo maybe you just didn't like the character? or you could say the character lacked something for you... and the SML thing: again, without the knowledge of the plot it's really no wonder why you don't understand the FL's sudden turn to the ML but it's there, reasonable and understandable.
It is really subjective since I can go totally crazy for many really not great shows (one hella fav of mine is Good Morning Call, almost nobody likes it lolll) and shows like Bel Ami which somehow always entertain me while I can genuinely hate Playful Kiss and the Heirs (mostly I don't like Korean dramas anyway) tho objectively speking they're wayyy better than others. Hmm this is how it is, sticks and stones...
I'll try make a list of the most promising ones and then I'll start somewhere... but problem is that there are just as much good dramas from Korea and China at the same time... ahh anyway, I'm glad, it is better to have a wide range of varieties than much of the same type :)