the next episode cannot come any sooner.I'm just genuinely curious how a prolific writer as KES will close this…
It would be tragic if this is the direction EP 16 is going because a reset button ending doesn't sit well with me.
We are introduced to a world, that took essentially 15 episodes to build. We develop connections with the characters, we saw all the personal character development, bad choices, and strength of character these people went through, only that have all that disappear in an instant.
Also add to the fact, that there is a huge assumption that LR not going to Korea is good for all. It paints the decisions we make as human beings with a very black and very white brush.
And also, I am bracing myself for all the haphazardly tied ends that will be scattered all over EP 16. And the wedding scene that will take up more than 25% of the episode.
I tend to love dramas, where the sum of it's part is greater than a few great pieces. That is why I loved WTCB, a drama where you see a majority of it's cast contribute to the enjoyment of the drama.
I think where KTEM lost its way is by building some great supporting characters, only to give them an ending that is, for the most part, undeserved. I would have been happy with the bitter ending of most of the characters, even including many of the villains, but to just reset all those storylines, belittles the consequences, character growth, and self reflection, most of these characters had undergone.
I'm confused, what does the number of comments have to do with hate?
I think a MOD is deleting the more toxic comments. Just a guess. But the toxic comments came from both critics and defenders.
Initial posters point is that people may claim they are either a defender or a critic, but the deletion of the previous posts shows that they were not simply writing positive or negative comments, but rather hating on other posters.
I'm just genuinely curious how a prolific writer as KES will close this chapter.
I don't have my hopes up, from the EP 16 trailer, it already looks like she's just going to push the "reset" button, wiping out the existence of episodes 1-15. But hey, maybe she'll surprise us all with something unique.
Not holding my breath though, not enough time, and too big of a hole.
You are comparing a publicly traded company that employs 46,000 people worldwide, with Flix patrol, a website…
You made a point about ratings.
I rebutted it.
You ignored my rebuttal
And here we are.
You want to defend the show. Great, but please use accurate metrics, and don't mislead people.
Thank you
P.S
You, also just admitted to just skipping through what I wrote, thanks lol. I feel I am wasting my time and writing these post with backing from articles, logic and etc... when all you are going to do is say "Nuh uh"
Also, I won't reply to what you wrote here, because you just rephrased what you have alreadysaid, a million times without any new facts, just more opinions.
Probably because LMH is a much bigger star compared to KGE. Most articles consider KTEM a LMH drama. Plus he has more fans, worldwide, and is quite huge in China. Also has a more impressive resume.
I have loved some other shows, and I do know the feeling of hurt, when someone says the Drama I absolutely love is bad, or the actress I adore are said to be ugly or can't act. But I rarely get animated about it, because people have different opinions.
When the negative comments are insightful and grounded in facts, I tend to listen. It doesn't make me hate the show, or the actress, I love, but it makes me understand why some people may not like it and let's me see that drama or actress in a different light.
And I think that is the difference between me and most defenders. I can take criticsm to the shows I love, most defenders can't. And it's tragic...
Why can't a show have critics? Even The World of the Married has it's own share of critics. Some people say certain episode were boring. And that is ok, why can't KTEM fans enjoy a show and acknowledge that the show also has some flaws?
Nothing is perfect in this world, and that includes Kdrama.
There is nothing wrong with criticizing a Drama. Even dramas that are considered masterpieces have their own critics.…
Thank you for not considering me a hater, because i'm not. I'm a critic of not this show, but many shows in MDL. Plus, people are afraid of me because I will attack them?
When have I personally attacked someone? But I can show you where I have been personally attacked by defenders. Should I post them here?
This comment section, is a platform where people can discuss the show, rave about it, or criticze it. You and I, should not muzzle the freedom of speech of people. We are not a democracy here. Also, I will not contradict something if I agree with it. And I will only agree with something if it's a fact based statement. But even subjective statements, I myself have claimed, sure thing that is your opinion. So please don't see me as just attacking people, when I don't. It's insulting.
Now the argument here is about wavve. People were claiming it had 14 mil subcribers.
I just merely investigated and show that this is not true. At MOST wavv has 2 million subscribers. With the last data set I saw, implying it had only 1.4M. Behind netflix.
The total viewership population for ALL OTT is 10 million. TOTAL. And this includes all streaming services which include netflix and youtube and other ones.
I only question the ones I feel there are inaccuracies to, or the one presenting misleading statements. Because that is my personality, I don't like people misleading others.
It has nothing to do with me wanting to thrash the show to make sure people don't watch it. In fact, I have said several times in this comment section that people shoud watch it and ignore the ratings and comments. If you like it, you like it, if you don't you don't
You are comparing a publicly traded company that employs 46,000 people worldwide, with Flix patrol, a website…
Did I ever say anywhere in my post that Neilsen was the most accurate thing in the world? Of course it has inaccuracies. Neilsen polls 1% of the population of course it is bound to have inaccuracies.
My point about the number of employees and size of Neilsen is to point out the legitimacy of the company, and the minds at work at the company to make sure the information is as accurate as possible taking away certain factors. Do you think, just anyone can be a Neilsen family? There are steps to be one.
What does flix patrol have to prove their legitimacy? Your say so? It's not enough. You claiming flix patrol is a bible of ratings, is like me saying MDL is the only thing we shoud listen to. If a show is rated low in MDL, this must be true, if its rated high, it must be the gospel. Cmon lol, you know this is not true.
Movie Database? Please elaborate on this. Also exactly how is Flixpatrol global rankings objective? The metrics is based on Netflix top 10, which has a flawed way of calculating Viewers. There's also been talks about how the top 10 are mostly Netflix originals/produced shows.
You are basically saying this. "Well I know there are 1,000 articles saying smoking is bad for you, but I found a website saying smoking is good for the lungs, so all you haters can be quiet, because the website I found is the most accurate website in the world, and I'm not going to be quiet, until everyone smokes."
Copied verbatim from the flix patrol website. They use the data from Netflix Top 10. The same thing I am claiming
"flixpatrol provides VOD charts and streaming charts worldwide. You can find here all the Netflix charts (Netflix TOP 10), also iTunes charts, Amazon Prime charts, or HBO charts. These streaming insights are based on the official trending or the most popular movies on VOD. We cover the most-watched movies and the most popular TV shows in 2020. Flixpatrol also offers selected VOD sales and numbers for movies everyone’s watching. TOP 10 lists are daily updated."
It's not speculation, Netflix has said, that is how they count views. Two mintues of viewing time. Are you reading the articles I am linking? I have, I feel it a bit insulting, i'm taking the time to make a well crafted response to you, and your just effectively saying, "lol I don't care, imma keep doing me". By ignoring what i'm saying, your essentially agreeing to it you know.
Reading your answer, I've realized, you didn't bother to read even half of what I wrote. Which is tragic, as I spent time to back up my explanations. And for a second I thought we would have a thought provoking discussion. You just did not provide any factual rebuttals.
Your reply to my post, can be summarize in one line.
"Nuh uh, your wrong, if I cover my ears, I can't hear you!!"
Yes I agree 100% with your statement.
We are introduced to a world, that took essentially 15 episodes to build. We develop connections with the characters, we saw all the personal character development, bad choices, and strength of character these people went through, only that have all that disappear in an instant.
Also add to the fact, that there is a huge assumption that LR not going to Korea is good for all. It paints the decisions we make as human beings with a very black and very white brush.
And also, I am bracing myself for all the haphazardly tied ends that will be scattered all over EP 16. And the wedding scene that will take up more than 25% of the episode.
I tend to love dramas, where the sum of it's part is greater than a few great pieces. That is why I loved WTCB, a drama where you see a majority of it's cast contribute to the enjoyment of the drama.
I think where KTEM lost its way is by building some great supporting characters, only to give them an ending that is, for the most part, undeserved. I would have been happy with the bitter ending of most of the characters, even including many of the villains, but to just reset all those storylines, belittles the consequences, character growth, and self reflection, most of these characters had undergone.
Initial posters point is that people may claim they are either a defender or a critic, but the deletion of the previous posts shows that they were not simply writing positive or negative comments, but rather hating on other posters.
I'm just genuinely curious how a prolific writer as KES will close this chapter.
I don't have my hopes up, from the EP 16 trailer, it already looks like she's just going to push the "reset" button, wiping out the existence of episodes 1-15. But hey, maybe she'll surprise us all with something unique.
Not holding my breath though, not enough time, and too big of a hole.
Your post here is as confusing as KTEM.
You ignored every fact I put out and just rewrote what you already wrote.
I am a purist. if I see something misleading, I will call people out on it, regardless if they are critics or defenders.
I've already said, I don't care if people watch it or not. It's their choice. But don't mislead people with wrong information.
Anyway, i'm done with this particular conversation, your just repeating yourself, without adding anything new. See you in other conversations.
To be frank, it's the defenders I found more of trolling with their one liners, and talks about comments and ratings.
The criticism of the show for the most part have been well thought out.
That's my opinion at least.
I rebutted it.
You ignored my rebuttal
And here we are.
You want to defend the show. Great, but please use accurate metrics, and don't mislead people.
Thank you
P.S
You, also just admitted to just skipping through what I wrote, thanks lol. I feel I am wasting my time and writing these post with backing from articles, logic and etc... when all you are going to do is say "Nuh uh"
Also, I won't reply to what you wrote here, because you just rephrased what you have alreadysaid, a million times without any new facts, just more opinions.
It's not about winning. Your statements are misleading, and I am just correcting it.
People will choose to watch or not watch it, despite our comments.
If this show is good, people will watch it, end of story.
BTW, I really feel your barely reading or don't understand what I write, so i'm starting to think why bother responding...
When the negative comments are insightful and grounded in facts, I tend to listen. It doesn't make me hate the show, or the actress, I love, but it makes me understand why some people may not like it and let's me see that drama or actress in a different light.
And I think that is the difference between me and most defenders. I can take criticsm to the shows I love, most defenders can't. And it's tragic...
Why can't a show have critics? Even The World of the Married has it's own share of critics. Some people say certain episode were boring. And that is ok, why can't KTEM fans enjoy a show and acknowledge that the show also has some flaws?
Nothing is perfect in this world, and that includes Kdrama.
This is obviously a one sided debate. Where there is no factual rebuttal. Just repetitive rhetoric.
Ok Charlotte you win!
KTEM is best show globally!
P.S. I should thank you by the way, I feel my writing has improved talking to you.
When have I personally attacked someone? But I can show you where I have been personally attacked by defenders. Should I post them here?
This comment section, is a platform where people can discuss the show, rave about it, or criticze it. You and I, should not muzzle the freedom of speech of people. We are not a democracy here. Also, I will not contradict something if I agree with it. And I will only agree with something if it's a fact based statement. But even subjective statements, I myself have claimed, sure thing that is your opinion. So please don't see me as just attacking people, when I don't. It's insulting.
Now the argument here is about wavve. People were claiming it had 14 mil subcribers.
I just merely investigated and show that this is not true. At MOST wavv has 2 million subscribers. With the last data set I saw, implying it had only 1.4M. Behind netflix.
The total viewership population for ALL OTT is 10 million. TOTAL. And this includes all streaming services which include netflix and youtube and other ones.
I only question the ones I feel there are inaccuracies to, or the one presenting misleading statements. Because that is my personality, I don't like people misleading others.
It has nothing to do with me wanting to thrash the show to make sure people don't watch it. In fact, I have said several times in this comment section that people shoud watch it and ignore the ratings and comments. If you like it, you like it, if you don't you don't
My point about the number of employees and size of Neilsen is to point out the legitimacy of the company, and the minds at work at the company to make sure the information is as accurate as possible taking away certain factors. Do you think, just anyone can be a Neilsen family? There are steps to be one.
What does flix patrol have to prove their legitimacy? Your say so? It's not enough. You claiming flix patrol is a bible of ratings, is like me saying MDL is the only thing we shoud listen to. If a show is rated low in MDL, this must be true, if its rated high, it must be the gospel. Cmon lol, you know this is not true.
Movie Database? Please elaborate on this. Also exactly how is Flixpatrol global rankings objective? The metrics is based on Netflix top 10, which has a flawed way of calculating Viewers. There's also been talks about how the top 10 are mostly Netflix originals/produced shows.
You are basically saying this. "Well I know there are 1,000 articles saying smoking is bad for you, but I found a website saying smoking is good for the lungs, so all you haters can be quiet, because the website I found is the most accurate website in the world, and I'm not going to be quiet, until everyone smokes."
Copied verbatim from the flix patrol website. They use the data from Netflix Top 10. The same thing I am claiming
"flixpatrol provides VOD charts and streaming charts worldwide. You can find here all the Netflix charts (Netflix TOP 10), also iTunes charts, Amazon Prime charts, or HBO charts. These streaming insights are based on the official trending or the most popular movies on VOD. We cover the most-watched movies and the most popular TV shows in 2020. Flixpatrol also offers selected VOD sales and numbers for movies everyone’s watching. TOP 10 lists are daily updated."
It's not speculation, Netflix has said, that is how they count views. Two mintues of viewing time. Are you reading the articles I am linking? I have, I feel it a bit insulting, i'm taking the time to make a well crafted response to you, and your just effectively saying, "lol I don't care, imma keep doing me". By ignoring what i'm saying, your essentially agreeing to it you know.
Reading your answer, I've realized, you didn't bother to read even half of what I wrote. Which is tragic, as I spent time to back up my explanations. And for a second I thought we would have a thought provoking discussion. You just did not provide any factual rebuttals.
Your reply to my post, can be summarize in one line.
"Nuh uh, your wrong, if I cover my ears, I can't hear you!!"