Lyson

Hmm, I think it's all about preference. I still say TWM is better than 90% of the BL's that have come out since. It's an original in the genre so back then it wasn't trying to fit into a certain safe mould we have today, which is preferred by a minority of viewers. It was also more naturally acted, it was hilarious, and it didn't try too hard imo and it's still in my top 3.

YAY my second The Sign FMV is done and it's a romantic one this time guys, here's a link, if you're interested in watching FMV's, you can maybe check it out! :D
https://youtu.be/9_GFLjHc01A

I suggested this before, it was intended to confuse viewers being filmed that way. As one of the people who believed Jin posted it from the outset, my assumption was that he'd possibly posted the video on more than one site, because it was dark mode Twitter and some orange and white website.

Nah cause what if it turns out to be a movie inside a movie, and the show ends where the lights come up and they be watching the premier of the movie they made and none of it actually happened. That's not a plot twist, that's a hack. Let's hope that ain't the case here.

Yeah, I recall that, I figured he just mean the garuda as a collective, but I guess we'll see!

Question for the people following these actors social media: Do they seem unhappy to be acting in this fantastic series?

Read carefully before you get defensive, I didn't say you were shipping anyone (although, your previous repeated comments about PhiJin having to happen because of some other reason -I don't remember why you insisted on that- says otherwise)

But, putting that aside, the question was for you to explain why you think they are equally bad. You are the one insisting they are equally bad, or that Non is worse, so please, list your reasons you think so.
How many bad things has Non done compared to Jin?

I think it's okay if you don't like it :) It sounds like you really wanted to get into it though, so if you decide to give it another try and the live action is not doing it for you, maybe try reading the original novel or watching the donghua. If you develop a liking or connection to the characters through those forms, the live action may be more enjoyable if you come back around to it.

Exonerate? I'm wondering if you glazed over my comment just to repeat your opinion on this topic. I made it quite clear where I stand on this issue, that Keng is wrong legally and morally, but that Non consented. Non is legally a minor, but Non being a minor doesn't mean he doesn't know what sex is and can't choose who he'll sleep with, he's been doing so with gusto, as Phi implied in the series. Many teenagers can run circles around adults when it comes to sexual experience, that is reality.

As for 'grooming', it's a big reach considering the duration of time they knew each other, the circumstances of how quickly the slept together and their limited interactions prior. So I disagree.

As far as I watched, Non chose freely. As far as you watched, he didn't. I explained my pov, and yeah, it ain't changed.

You're very adamant about Non being equally as bad as Jin, or worse, right? I think you wrote that somewhere in the comments, and I'm not sure if anyone's asked you this, but since I don't ship anyone and I don't care about faves because I never knew any of these actors anyway, I want to ask if you can objectively, which is to say, not including that you are a fan of the actor of Jin or the character, can you state how you think Non and Jin's wrongdoings are equal?

Yeah, too many BL fans struggle with having anything other than a 'happy ending'. It's unfortunate though, so many missed opportunities, especially for a show like The Sign where their separation was against their will and a hard won reunion would have been really good. Over-catering to the fans kind of keeps the BL genre stuck in tropes and predictable plot lines. Honestly, imo, the pay off after a long wait for an intense reunion can be AMAZING.

An example I can think of, I don't know if you watch Young Royals, but in season 2 after Wilhelm and Simon had been broken up by their circumstances for a while, eventually they ended up sneaking off and kissing each other after so long, and just the kiss alone was super intense because the fans had all been waiting for them to find a moment to make up with each other. It was so good!

That said, Phaya and Tharn's reunion kiss at the end of ep 12 was great too. It felt a bit rushed to get there, but it still landed well. I was pretty satisfied with the ending of The Sign, but I am really hoping for a fuller, more detailed and explained S02.

Nicely said. Admittedly, I'm still hoping it turns out Phi is just playing Jin. His behaviour and reaction towards Jin was pretty sus.

Yes, these are laws and legal definitions and such like, which I acknowledged before in my original post, and as I also stated in my original post, law is not the reality of each situation and the two are not mutually exclusive. You can check my original post again if you like.

So it seems we've come full circle with it. Keng was wrong to sleep with Non legally and morally, absolutely wrong, but Non was consenting and he's over 15 so it doesn't count at statutory rape either.

As for insults, I don't think there's any need to argue or insult, just discuss, and in the end, if we agree to disagree, that's alright too.

Do you mean that the Naga attacked first? That's all I remember he mentioned about why the garuda were hunting them, did I miss something? Or do you think his brother was injured in the attack and they started a war?

Ah I see, I have watched exactly none of the BL's you mentioned. If they're old and I haven't watched them it means I gave them a pass. No wonder I don't recognize him. Same for Billy, apparently he's acted in a BL before, but this was my first time seeing him.

I said almost def. That is for definitely. I didn't say almost, because 11th grade is 16+ and anyway, the age of consent is 15 in Thailand, so the point remains, Non is of consenting age in Thailand which negates statutory rape.

As for abduction, he was also said to have run away with Keng in the media and by the police. People will speculate, but as viewers of the show we actually saw what happened. My points are about what was portrayed in the show.

That's your pov and that's alright. Ps: Legally it isn't statutory rape in the context of the show. Thailand age of consent is 15, Non is in Mathayom 5 judging by the signs beside the classrooms, which is 11th Grade and so he is def 16 +. So while Keng is still a pos, legally it's not even statutory rape.

Here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XXoyqxPOIrfMTZJco8edsdeJN2c2TDYi/view?usp=sharing

For your friend 😉

Ngl, this comment doesn't make a whole lotta sense with regards to what I commented. Grade 11 in Thailand is 16+, so Non is def over 15. and abduction can happen to anyone of any age, so...?

It should have ended where Tharn doesn't return, and have a S02 where Phaya has to shave his face, dress in proper clothes, pick his ass up and go and save his bae.