BadPenny

See, it's not really a Tom and Jerry thing. Because the dust up isn't really about the differing opinions on the show. At least not for me. It's about respecting the fact that all our opinions are welcome here. Regardless of how we feel about the show. And that's not about the chase, that's about standing your ground. In which case there is no "middle ground". Only people who believe that everyone's opinions are welcome, and the people who disagree with that.

And Considering how the KinnPorsche page has looked at various times, I don't think this is the only page with interesting dynamics.

I don't mind the back and forth. Would I love it if people got over themselves and just relaxed about everyone's opinions on the show being present here? Sure. But honestly, this is hardly the only place on MDL where there are people who think they get to decide what is and isn't welcome in the way of posting. This place is tame compared to the Bad Buddy page in its heyday.

I love SBFive. You shut your whore mouth. And while we're at it, I like Trinity.

So suck it.

I am also 10-12 years old. And I whine a lot too. And yet I know 2009 Kpop. So no pass for you. It's called "retro". Learn from your musical elders in East Asia.

1st--wow. I knew you didn't get irony. Now I'm aware you don't get sarcasm either. Thanks for clarifying that.

As for your stance on the main couples, it's absolutely heartwarming to know I'm in good "Hater" company.

Wow. Where is the Shinee love? What about TVXQ? 2PM?

You are a musical Philistine. No DJ jobs for you. In fact, if I see you near the booth I WILL flying tackle, body-check you.

*Grumbles* (Fucking Kirin music) I will have the REAL DJ play One Jeff Satur song.

You can be my DJ. I haven't forgiven you for your slight against Tilly Birds yet. So you better not play the Kirin version of Just Being Friendly. I will cut a bitch.

Also, no BTS. We're talking crème de la crème of 2009.

I know, I know. So I've been told indirectly. *sigh* I'm apparently more toxic than Cutie Pie.

I guess I need to put myself in timeout and reflect on my sins. Or I could throw a drunken bacchanalia where we dance on the tables to the best Kpop of 2009 and pretend that we all look good doing it.

Oh wow! I never knew that was there! Thank you for the heads up!

Toxicity is a whole spectrum of behaviors. Rape is an attack based in theft of agency, among other things.

--"well.... that's what called as a toxic relationship.... "-- Bullshit. Tons of toxic relationships the world over do not involve rape in them. As it pertains to KinnPorshce, what is more accurate is that romanticized/erotic representation of rape is a fetish for some viewers and as a result is portrayed in books and dramas, in order to feed that fetish.

I made it pretty clear when I started watching KP that the tone and context of sexual assault was going to be key in whether I stayed with the drama. And I don't find rape in dramas to be sexy or romantic, therefore I dropped KinnPorsche.

I'm not sure what a feeds post is, but I figured it was just a glitch. I'm glad it was resolved. I am sure they got hammered with a lot of support tickets.

That said, it was fun to wind Mike up.

--"Gurl, u said u don't like the toxicity in kinnporsche, so u dropped it"--

I have no idea where you got that from. I never said any such thing. In fact, I didn't reference toxicity in my explanation to you at all. I specifically stated that I embrace the less than moral behaviors of some characters because it was a gangster story and because the majority of those behaviors were framed in a proper context. I also specifically stated that the ACTUAL reason I dropped KinnPorsche was because of the representation of rape as romantic and erotic. That's it. Nothing complex. I just don't watch dramas that romanticize rape.

So there are zero grounds for using my reasons for dropping KP as a challenge to my presence here, even if that was a tactic that could work. Which it's not. Because not only am I remarkably consistent in how I approach dramas, my complaint about Cutie Pie was never JUST the toxic behaviors but how they were contextualized within the show by the creative team and handled within the plot.

--"But u don't mess with Kinporsche comment section like this right?"--

KinnPorsche was a different drama. And while I have a consistent approach, my response to KinnPorsche was always going to be very different than my response to this show. However, when I was on the KP boards, which I have left because I've dropped the show, hell yes I had shit to say about the drama, it's tone and even dialogs with other users about how we differed in our opinions on each episode. Because that's what comments sections are for.

--"But cavilling weekly and saying how trash the show is, doesn't make sense at all."--

It makes exactly as much sense as popping in every week to say you like the show. EXACTLY as much sense. Because each week there is a new episode and each week that means there is new content for each user to respond to in whatever way they see fit. How is this a hard concept?

--"Imagine whining 24/7 here from Feb to May watching the worst series without missing a single episode….. Isn’t that weird lol"--

Oh, let's unpack this, shall we? First, It's not "whining" to comment here about what we dislike about the show. I totally get that this week's theme of de-legitimization is infantilzing the people who criticize the drama in order to distract from the points we make. But see, that tactic doesn't work with me. If you call it whining I will simply remind you that "whining" is defined by the Oxford English dictionary as "complaining in a feeble or petulant way." You know, kind of like when some users here whine about the presence of people who don't agree with them about the merits of this drama.

You can throw spaghetti at the wall each week to see what sticks, in terms of calling our presence here into question. However, we only need come back with one fact. We're allowed to post every week and there's nothing wrong with that. Nothing odd about it. No reason we shouldn't keep doing it if we feel like it. Let me point you to the top of this section of the Cutie Pie page to the area where it identifies it as a "COMMENTS" section. You know, that place where we leave comments. And you're trying to somehow convince me that it's odd to actually use this section of the page for its intended purpose? Ha. No.

Finally, many of us have qualified why we come every week and you and others like to conveniently ignore those reasons. So how about this. No, it's not weird. And even if it was, so what. It's just what many of us do. Deal with it. There is simply nothing you can do about it so you might as well just accept that we are here and carry on. No amount of complaining will change it. No amount of trying to argue that we shouldn't be here because it's "weird", or childish, or doesn't make sense, is going to change this. We don't have to meet anyone's subjective, one sided, illegitimate criteria for being here. We just are.

Who are you to decide what a "normal" response to media is? You aren't any authority here. Your criteria for "normal" doesn't apply to anyone but you and it's hilarious to think anyone should place stock in someone who is so fragile of temperament they can't accept that this comments section is for all comments, not just ones they think should be here.

"It is whining and ranting like little children in the supermarket." No, whining and ranting like little children in the supermarket is what it's called when you literally can't stand to have opinions here that are different than yours because you're too immature to handle it like an adult.

It doesn't matter if we're hating on the show just because we can. It doesn't matter if we have legitimate reasons for liking the show. It doesn't matter what the ratings of the show are. It doesn't matter what hype on Cutie Pie is trending. It doesn't matter if we're a vocal minority. Get it into your head that none of that has any impact on whether we should be here, posting every week on every single episode. This is a no-brainer. A simple concept. This is a comments section. It is specifically in place to allow people to comment on the show. Period. End of sentence. No qualification needed. No limitations on the response to the show this side of violations to MDL's TOS. This place is not your local for hanging exclusively with fans of the show. This is only a place for people to comment on Cutie Pie and that's what we're gonna do.

If you don't like those comments, if they make you mad, if you can't handle them...so what?

Guess I'll see you next week where once again you simply fail to get that there's nothing wrong with us being here.

"But!! I like Kirin's version of "Just Being Friendly" more than the original"

Le gasp! You've blasphemed! We can't be friends anymore.

Lukchub is passive, but in a smiling "I don't like to create a fuss" sort of way. It's cute.

I have words. *shrugs* If brevity is the soul of wit, then I'm as souless as they come.

Wayu from Gen Y. Who was a quiet person , but generally quite plucky, having several moments of assertiveness. He had his share of direct or confrontational moments, soft boi that he was. Lukchub, though...nope. not an assertive bone in his body.

It's always been pretty reliable for me, until last night. But i will say, to their credit, they answered my support ticket fast.

I don't mind dark themes. Like I said, had they treated Kinn's rape of Porsche as the violation it was instead of treating it like a porn scene we were meant to find sensual and romantic, then I would have stayed with the show. But I just don't watch shows where they romanticize rape as some erotic experience for the audience to get off on.

Oh, we go through this every week. Every week a new episode comes down and we all post varied remarks about it. And every week some of the people who apparently like the show pick a point to start openly criticizing and/or calling out and even mocking the people who posted comments they don't like.

Instead of, you know, just commenting on the show.

And then every week several of us end up stating the obvious, which is that a) we're not going anywhere, you might as well save it, b) there's nothing wrong with us posting things we dislike about the show and c) reminding them that calling us haters while sitting around bitching about our opinions is the very pinnacle of irony and d) we don't owe anyone an explanation of why we watch Cutie Pie. We just do.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Poor Kirin, Requiescat in Pace

I wrote this long, long Op Ed on why. But I won't bother linking you. I try not to torture others. LOL

Short version, I love KinnPorsche. I really do. I adore Apo and Mile and Tong's performances. I am absolutely in love with Porsche and Porchay. And given that it was a gangster story, I wasn't expecting upstanding moral behavior from most of the characters. Everyone acted within the framework of consistent characterization. Both the toxic characters and those who were more upstanding in nature. I even thought the little gay topic insert into episode 4 where Porsche calls out Big for being backwards was well done. And funny.

So you're probably asking yourself why the fuck I dropped it, then. Well, knowing that this story contained more than one rape in its plot, I applied to it the requirement I have for ANY story that has sexual assault in it. Which is that the sexual assault, in this case full rape, be handled by the drama's creators in a way that shows it for the heinous act it is. If it's out and out, blatant sexual assault, it better not have romantic music or other trappings that contextualize the moment as erotic.

And KinnPorsche missed that one right out of the gate with Kinn's rape of Porsche at the end of episode 4. The show stopped meeting a base, prime criteria to make it watchable. I do not give framing a rape with a romantic/erotic lens a pass.

Porsche was drugged, according to the show's creators, with the date-rape drug GHB. That drug is dangerous. You take a person who has been exposed to it to a medical professional immediately. You don't FUCK THEM while they're still under its influence! To do so is rape. And I was fine with the concept of Kinn raping Porsche, from the standpoint that I knew from someone who had read the book that it was going to probably be part of the show's plot. And Kinn is, after all, a gangster, so his moral compass does not point due north. Therefore, had the show's creators filmed the rape with context and tone that portrayed it as an assault, then I would still be watching KinnPorsche.

However, the sensual, romantic slow version of the theme playing behind the rape, along with the erotic choreographing of the act and the intimate camera angles and soft backlighting... the whole thing was a giant fail because it turned a rape into a 'hot, romantic first time' in terms of context. So fuck KinnPorsche. It could have been one of my favorites. But having mishandled the rape scene, absolutely not.

So I dropped it.