Although i don't get the dramaland trope that braces, glasses and nerdess make you unattractive, i really enjoyed…
Took its slot and Mix is in it, but yeah, a whole other kettle of, um, fish. (sorry) Thai dramas seem to have a lot of body shaming. It's good that they address bullying and self-loathing, but I think it's not entirely unproblematic to "solve" it by giving the main character a makeover -- but I guess we'll see how it plays out.
making money off gay people? what? how? most of the writers are straight, most of the actors are straight, most…
Some people are indeed married to their anger, as you put it, but others have valid and painful reasons for their anger, and that can make it hard for them to pull back and be tolerant or forgiving when they are triggered (and depending on what they've been through, they may not feel that they should have to). The problem is that we can't tell from a username on the internet which it is we are dealing with. I can absolutely see that you meant no harm, but I also think that the statement "Fetishisation is a male thing" is a little bit categorical, especially if you use the wider definitions of "fetishisation". I'd say that fetishisation is definitely what is going on with the BL industry, and I understand why it can make some LGBTQ people upset and angry, while other LGBTQ people enjoy watching it for the romance and the fantasy of True Love and Happily Ever After (which is the reason why anyone watches/reads romance, because let's face it, romance is chock full of unrealistic tropes and occasional toxicity even when it's straight).
But it's also true that the vast majority of porn is produced for the male gaze and that the vast majority of romance (books and movies/dramas) is produced for a female audience. That doesn't mean that no women ever watch the former, or that no men ever read or watch the latter, though, and I may be totally biased here, but I do feel that romance is just a little bit emotionally healthier than porn. Up until fairly recently, romance has also, unlike porn, been without real life victims in its production process (if we discount the way consumers can be misguided by it), but the BL genre is changing that, which is what Aam Anusorn is trying to show us here, and that's something we have to face up to as BL consumers. I love BL, but I would like the industry to be a healthy and respectful environment for everyone who works in it.
It's interesting that Lovely Writer is also addressing these issues, but in a different way that doesn't pretend to be altogether realistic.
making money off gay people? what? how? most of the writers are straight, most of the actors are straight, most…
From reading your conversation, I'd say it was the fetishization comment. I think part of the problem lies in how you define "fetishization".
● A sexual kink for a certain object, body part or activity. (Classic textbook psychological definition) ● An excessive or irrational devotion to an object, activity, etc [source: Dictionary.com] ● The romanticization and glamourization of a group of people usually based on prejudices, stereotypes and ignorance about them; often a masked or seemingly inverted form of racism, sexism etc. that appears positive on the surface but may be harmful or exploitative for the group in question.
Sometimes people mean one of these definitions when they use the word, and sometimes a mix of them. I'd say that straight men's interest in watching porn with two women having sex is usually more of a sexual kink than any form of romanticization of lesbians, whereas straight women's interest in watching or reading about two men falling in love (and kissing/having physical intimacy) is a combination of the two (and other factors), in various proportions depending on the individual woman. (I am intentionally excluding LGBTQ+ people as consumers of BL from this analysis simply because I don't feel I have the right or competence to speak for them in this matter.)
I am a BL/MM romance fan myself and because I also want to be a real LGBTQ+ ally, I have spent a lot of time thinking about how and why I am drawn to LGBTQ+ media, and I think it's very multilayered and complex issue -- not something that can be explained simply by calling it a "fetish", though I also won't claim that that would be completely wrong. Still, any attempt to explain it properly would require much more space than this comment section allows. Like you said, I am more in it for the romance than for the sexual titillation of it, though I wont deny that the latter can be a factor. Personally, I prefer narratives that try their best to not gloss over or misrepresent real life LGBTQ issues and are respectful to the community, but I also want butterflies and happy endings in my romance, whether it's straight or not. For the record, I am a grey ace/grey aro cishet woman.
I feel like part of it has to be the translation. B/c the last episode line "if I wasn't sick I'd give my body…
Maybe part of it is, but I've watched poorly translated dramas that were still recognisably good... First time I watched He's Coming To Me was with very dodgy fansubs and I could still tell it was a great series (I'm so happy it's out with good translation now). This... not so much. Bad script, bad editing. The acting is okay, but they didn't have a lot to work with. I'll still watch for the fluff, but I am slightly disappointed.
I guess arranged marriages are still a thing, and for some people they probably work, but how can you think it's…
About the teacher-student relationship: I do remember that inapproriate teacher, but it happened so early on, and I didn't remember which student it happened to, or was even sure it was the same series. I really hope that's how they are going to play it (Nice Young Teacher stepping in and stopping inappropriate behaviour). Overall they have a big problem with the teaching staff in this school, trying to bully and coerce the students into programs they don't want just because of the school's reputation -- I loved how Prab stepped in with Chol! And we have seen Nice Young Teacher react with shock when he heard them do it. (And I feel you with the names - I usually refer to the cast list for the secondary names, which doesn't work here because it's so incomplete!)
About the number of eps: Oh, that's much better! Because *something* needs to happen before the end of the series, even if they are getting a second season.
That's really weird! You should report it as a website bug. Maybe because the series title is so generic the site…
It's not my topic, I found that it already existed when I went to create a similar one myself. I have reported it, but it was some time ago and perhaps I should do it again.
So it turns out that Chol (and a lot of people here) were wrong about their parents. (Cont'd below under spoiler…
I guess arranged marriages are still a thing, and for some people they probably work, but how can you think it's a good idea to marry two people who already have strong, loving relationships with other people? I remember saying that nothing of what Chol found was proof of an affair during the marriage, and I'm happy that I was correct. (And I'm VERY happy that they didn't turn out to be biological half-brothers, even though I know it doesn't really matter.)
I'm still frustrated by the slooooow progression of the romance between Chol and Prab. It's just the same things over and over again, Prab getting jealous of Khun and Chol getting jealous of Nick. It doesn't look like anything is going to get a satisfactory resolution. I'm also still not happy about the teacher-student thing, and now the student is even getting flak for it.
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Thai dramas seem to have a lot of body shaming. It's good that they address bullying and self-loathing, but I think it's not entirely unproblematic to "solve" it by giving the main character a makeover -- but I guess we'll see how it plays out.
I can absolutely see that you meant no harm, but I also think that the statement "Fetishisation is a male thing" is a little bit categorical, especially if you use the wider definitions of "fetishisation". I'd say that fetishisation is definitely what is going on with the BL industry, and I understand why it can make some LGBTQ people upset and angry, while other LGBTQ people enjoy watching it for the romance and the fantasy of True Love and Happily Ever After (which is the reason why anyone watches/reads romance, because let's face it, romance is chock full of unrealistic tropes and occasional toxicity even when it's straight).
But it's also true that the vast majority of porn is produced for the male gaze and that the vast majority of romance (books and movies/dramas) is produced for a female audience. That doesn't mean that no women ever watch the former, or that no men ever read or watch the latter, though, and I may be totally biased here, but I do feel that romance is just a little bit emotionally healthier than porn. Up until fairly recently, romance has also, unlike porn, been without real life victims in its production process (if we discount the way consumers can be misguided by it), but the BL genre is changing that, which is what Aam Anusorn is trying to show us here, and that's something we have to face up to as BL consumers. I love BL, but I would like the industry to be a healthy and respectful environment for everyone who works in it.
It's interesting that Lovely Writer is also addressing these issues, but in a different way that doesn't pretend to be altogether realistic.
I think part of the problem lies in how you define "fetishization".
● A sexual kink for a certain object, body part or activity. (Classic textbook psychological definition)
● An excessive or irrational devotion to an object, activity, etc [source: Dictionary.com]
● The romanticization and glamourization of a group of people usually based on prejudices, stereotypes and ignorance about them; often a masked or seemingly inverted form of racism, sexism etc. that appears positive on the surface but may be harmful or exploitative for the group in question.
Sometimes people mean one of these definitions when they use the word, and sometimes a mix of them. I'd say that straight men's interest in watching porn with two women having sex is usually more of a sexual kink than any form of romanticization of lesbians, whereas straight women's interest in watching or reading about two men falling in love (and kissing/having physical intimacy) is a combination of the two (and other factors), in various proportions depending on the individual woman.
(I am intentionally excluding LGBTQ+ people as consumers of BL from this analysis simply because I don't feel I have the right or competence to speak for them in this matter.)
I am a BL/MM romance fan myself and because I also want to be a real LGBTQ+ ally, I have spent a lot of time thinking about how and why I am drawn to LGBTQ+ media, and I think it's very multilayered and complex issue -- not something that can be explained simply by calling it a "fetish", though I also won't claim that that would be completely wrong. Still, any attempt to explain it properly would require much more space than this comment section allows. Like you said, I am more in it for the romance than for the sexual titillation of it, though I wont deny that the latter can be a factor. Personally, I prefer narratives that try their best to not gloss over or misrepresent real life LGBTQ issues and are respectful to the community, but I also want butterflies and happy endings in my romance, whether it's straight or not.
For the record, I am a grey ace/grey aro cishet woman.
Seriously, though, I get that it's not for everyone XD
I'll still watch for the fluff, but I am slightly disappointed.
About the number of eps: Oh, that's much better! Because *something* needs to happen before the end of the series, even if they are getting a second season.
I'm still frustrated by the slooooow progression of the romance between Chol and Prab. It's just the same things over and over again, Prab getting jealous of Khun and Chol getting jealous of Nick. It doesn't look like anything is going to get a satisfactory resolution. I'm also still not happy about the teacher-student thing, and now the student is even getting flak for it.