There's no such a thing as "innocent soldier". It's a profession a person voluntarily chooses knowing…
Dying for a real cause versus dying because of an act—that's the difference. And my reply was directed at that specific comment above, not at the topic in general. Stop trying to generalize my response when it was never meant to apply to every situation or C-drama. I just didn't like the way this part was written in the script and it left a bad taste in my mouth. It's my right to share it. If it worked well for you, that's fine we each have our own beliefs and morals.
There's no such a thing as "innocent soldier". It's a profession a person voluntarily chooses knowing…
Okay, then why was Wu Yi so hell-bent on the deaths of the 30k at the beginning of the drama? By this logic, they weren't innocent either so why did their deaths matter so much more to him? Also, I don't really agree with the idea that there is "no such thing as an innocent soldier." Choosing to become a soldier doesn't automatically make someone morally responsible for every decision made by the people above them. If anything the generals and rulers who give those orders bear even greater responsibility. Soldiers don't decide wars or military strategy, they carry out orders. Holding them equally accountable while giving commanders like Wu Yi a pass doesn't make much sense. Yes, soldiers know the risks when they enlist but accepting the possibility of dying isn't the same as being considered expendable. They're still human beings with families, hopes and lives outside the battlefield. Their profession doesn't necessarily strip them of their humanity. As for the FL I never said she needed to know every detail of the plan. But keeping her completely in the dark until she locked herself and went on a hunger strike was excessive and certainly a choice. And I actually disagree that she doesn't care about the nation. Throughout the drama she grows greatly. She starts off as a sheltered, naïve noble lady but over time she becomes someone who understands sacrifice, responsibility and the bigger picture.
Oh so it WAS an act and yet there were real casualties??? Let me guess...Wu Yi's secret gurads and maybe even…
Yep...Like I wasn't having high expectation for bipolar LM I was just content if he got a redemption arc...But for Wu Yi?? A general we see in the begining fighting for hid 30k innocent Beifu soldiers lost, who supposendly feels indepted to this secret guards who helped secure his survival...To see them now die like paws...It's breaking character...Heck even keeping Jiayu in the dark to such extend breaks character... Scriptwriter could have really done better in this part sigh...
Did you watch the beginning of episode 26? I wonder if you skip the whole thing until after intro OST.
I am watching ep25 rn but someone bellow spoiled that there were killings...And even on ep25 you can see them die?? Except that red paint on them...But will come back after ep26! Hopefully there is something that gives a better explanation!
Oh so it WAS an act and yet there were real casualties??? Let me guess...Wu Yi's secret gurads and maybe even…
Yes! Watching ML fight blindfolded to cool music lost its appeal once it was confirmed to be staged. How can one justify slaying innocent soldiers of their own country and letting the secret guards, who have protected you for decades, risk their lives for a mere act? There were certainly more honorable and reasonable ways to portray the conflict between Li Mao and Wu Yi without so much bloodshed. But the scriptwriter chose to make it dramatic. And it also kinda feels off for someone like Wu Yi to find his own guards dispensable when the beginning of this drama was literally about the 30k innocent Beifu soldiers lost!
Honestly now that I know it's all an act, the fight scene in episode 25 feels less impactful to me. So many innocent soldiers and secret guards lost their lives because of it. It didn’t make the ML look cool in my opinion when fighting them... Then again, it’s a common theme espescially in the past for soldiers and secret guards/agents to seem disposable in the eyes of those in power as they pursue their greater goals like deceiving the Northern Qin and their enemies here... But it surely leaves a bad taste in the mouth...And as expected FL is in the dark (called it since yesterday both this and act lol ) Maybe scriptwriter could have manouvered through it a bit better...
Oh so it WAS an act and yet there were real casualties??? Let me guess...Wu Yi's secret gurads and maybe even…
I am also behind currently on ep 25 but since the person above said it was an act that obviously means that Li Mao and Wu Y i were actually in cahoots to put an act for Northen Qin...That much I can guess and understand but they said there were real killings...Which I assume based on ep25 are probably the secret guards under Wu YI?? Also now Wu Yi saying "Sorry" to Jiayu makes perfect sense since she seems to also be in the dark...
Killing so many of their own people just to put up an act for someone else—does that even make sense? Is that…
Oh so it WAS an act and yet there were real casualties??? Let me guess...Wu Yi's secret gurads and maybe even some side characters??? Then both Wu Yi and Li Mao failed imo I wasn't expecting much from LM to begin with...But common WY?? Script went bonkers it seems...Sigh...
The express eps aren't uploaded on pirate sites yet I guess that's why lol Usually they take a bit extra time to upload them there hence why they ask I think...
Just watched the preview for episode 25 and oh boy...
Honestly, I can see three possible scenarios (and it better be no1):
1. Wu Yi and Li Mao are actually finally on the same page and working together behind the scenes because of Northern Qin. I mean on the same ep we saw 2ML trying to find a doctor to heal ML and ML has given up his claim to the throne, which should eliminate any doubts for 2ML. So unless his crazed, obsessed love for FL has really taken over him I don't see how that can be genuine. Plus the way the Grand Tutor died felt very anticlimactic/staged and obviously the one who did it was most likely a masked agent cause Wu Yi's father never seemed like that bloodthirsty of a person.
2. Scenario 1 but both Wu Yi and Jia Yu are unaware of Li Mao's true intentions and he has decided to play the villain alone!
3. The scriptwriter really fumbled and this is all real meaning Li Mao is just a bipolar mf who deserves whatever fate awaits him and that's far from the throne.
Honestly, so far I still dislike Li Mao but in the first/second cases, we might see some level of redemption for him since he has suffered too as a child and even until recently and so far his character was swaying between different shades of gray.
Of course, the female lead (FL) is probably unaware of everything so I expect her to endure all the pain and agony along with us. Sigh... But that also feels kinda contradictory because I don't think Wu Yi would let her go through it without a heads-up...
Also there is one thing I did agree with Li Mao on during his conversation with ML on an earlier ep, his point about how you can't have your cake and eat it too. Let's be honest Wu Yi on one hand, doesn’t want to be tied down by palace responsibilities and sat on the throne but still wants to control everything and push for changes. I understand that military reform, the new exam system, and the purge of corrupt officials are all good things and necessary changes that needed to happen, but you can't expect others to implement those changes and follow through in the exact way you want unless you take charge yourself! Because Li Mao truly did feel like a puppet most of the time squished between Wu Yi and the Grand Tutor lol
I mean most Asian drama barely got any kisses and excessive skinship to begin with so that was never an issue for me! As long as chemistry exists the actors can work their magic^^
It just pass the review. Airing with a total of 31 episodes.
Oh...So they cut scenes?? Well as long as the storyline and editing is smooth without plotholes I am fine! Really have high expectations after the trailer!
Exactly! I genuinely believe it's intentional they want to heighten the suspense and create a mysterious vibe. This can be a bit frustrating even for me haha But it's also exciting in a way! As long as they tie up all the loose ends nicely in the finale I don't mind. I think this type of storytelling benefits binge watchers the most though or those with patience lol
I get your point but I believe it's intentional to an extent... We have been receiving bits and pieces of information slowly so far which can be frustrating but it also creates a sense of mysterious suspense about what happened in the past. So, until the entire drama airs, we should wait and see how they will handle the storytelling overall. ^^
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And my reply was directed at that specific comment above, not at the topic in general. Stop trying to generalize my response when it was never meant to apply to every situation or C-drama.
I just didn't like the way this part was written in the script and it left a bad taste in my mouth. It's my right to share it. If it worked well for you, that's fine we each have our own beliefs and morals.
Also, I don't really agree with the idea that there is "no such thing as an innocent soldier." Choosing to become a soldier doesn't automatically make someone morally responsible for every decision made by the people above them. If anything the generals and rulers who give those orders bear even greater responsibility. Soldiers don't decide wars or military strategy, they carry out orders. Holding them equally accountable while giving commanders like Wu Yi a pass doesn't make much sense.
Yes, soldiers know the risks when they enlist but accepting the possibility of dying isn't the same as being considered expendable. They're still human beings with families, hopes and lives outside the battlefield. Their profession doesn't necessarily strip them of their humanity.
As for the FL I never said she needed to know every detail of the plan. But keeping her completely in the dark until she locked herself and went on a hunger strike was excessive and certainly a choice.
And I actually disagree that she doesn't care about the nation. Throughout the drama she grows greatly. She starts off as a sheltered, naïve noble lady but over time she becomes someone who understands sacrifice, responsibility and the bigger picture.
Scriptwriter could have really done better in this part sigh...
So many innocent soldiers and secret guards lost their lives because of it. It didn’t make the ML look cool in my opinion when fighting them...
Then again, it’s a common theme espescially in the past for soldiers and secret guards/agents to seem disposable in the eyes of those in power as they pursue their greater goals like deceiving the Northern Qin and their enemies here...
But it surely leaves a bad taste in the mouth...And as expected FL is in the dark (called it since yesterday both this and act lol )
Maybe scriptwriter could have manouvered through it a bit better...
Also now Wu Yi saying "Sorry" to Jiayu makes perfect sense since she seems to also be in the dark...
I wasn't expecting much from LM to begin with...But common WY??
Script went bonkers it seems...Sigh...
Usually they take a bit extra time to upload them there hence why they ask I think...
Honestly, I can see three possible scenarios (and it better be no1):
1. Wu Yi and Li Mao are actually finally on the same page and working together behind the scenes because of Northern Qin. I mean on the same ep we saw 2ML trying to find a doctor to heal ML and ML has given up his claim to the throne, which should eliminate any doubts for 2ML. So unless his crazed, obsessed love for FL has really taken over him I don't see how that can be genuine. Plus the way the Grand Tutor died felt very anticlimactic/staged and obviously the one who did it was most likely a masked agent cause Wu Yi's father never seemed like that bloodthirsty of a person.
2. Scenario 1 but both Wu Yi and Jia Yu are unaware of Li Mao's true intentions and he has decided to play the villain alone!
3. The scriptwriter really fumbled and this is all real meaning Li Mao is just a bipolar mf who deserves whatever fate awaits him and that's far from the throne.
Honestly, so far I still dislike Li Mao but in the first/second cases, we might see some level of redemption for him since he has suffered too as a child and even until recently and so far his character was swaying between different shades of gray.
Of course, the female lead (FL) is probably unaware of everything so I expect her to endure all the pain and agony along with us. Sigh... But that also feels kinda contradictory because I don't think Wu Yi would let her go through it without a heads-up...
Also there is one thing I did agree with Li Mao on during his conversation with ML on an earlier ep, his point about how you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Let's be honest Wu Yi on one hand, doesn’t want to be tied down by palace responsibilities and sat on the throne but still wants to control everything and push for changes. I understand that military reform, the new exam system, and the purge of corrupt officials are all good things and necessary changes that needed to happen, but you can't expect others to implement those changes and follow through in the exact way you want unless you take charge yourself!
Because Li Mao truly did feel like a puppet most of the time squished between Wu Yi and the Grand Tutor lol