I'm actually getting sick of it. This is not a PSA in a junior high school. If it were, they should also show…
100% on everything here. Aggressiveness/forwardness can be really hot. Force is not. And a lot of fans (and writers ngl) conflate the 2.
Dont Say No is an excellent example of this. The second couple made that show. As someone who has had a stalker of many years, I never read him as being stalkerish (but with just slight alterations, he could have been). And I am utterly confident that if Pob had solidly rejected him (and not just his advances) or hadn't developed feelings - then Leon would have backed off.
The second couple in SCOY (I literally only watched for the 2 support couples) exhibit a rather similar story and set-up of testing the waters. Especially when we consider the entire week off-screen that Jao and Sky spent together and observed each other before Sky became more forward. I also liked how we can visibly see the shift between Jao's actual "no, I don't want this" to a flirtatious/teasing no.
DNA SAYS LOVE YOU OVERALLThe series is okay, but left some unanswered questions in my head:1 What was Wen-Wen’s…
Amber has one of the intersex conditions. It is unclear which one. But as such, it is not at all uncommon for them to miss that he was male - resulting in them believing and treating him as a girl. This mightve been because his male organs were harder to spot. Perhaps that check-up noticed the organs starting to become bigger? Or they noticed via a blood test that found Y chromosomes. There's a number of possibilities. And for sure, there is a lot about his story that could and should be told - and that could make for a decent storyline.
But I don't really mind that they didn't spend a lot of time on it in this project- because it put the focus on him, his character, and his romance. Being intersex didn't define him, it was just a source of insecurity. His being intersex wasn't the focus of the story, instead the fact that he found people that were accepting. Accepting that he is in love with a guy.. Accepting that he is intersex. Accepting that he was raised as a girl, known as a girl, and even loved as a girl. And finally, accepting that he is NOT that girl anymore, accepting that he IS Amber. And loved for that fact.
I almost dropped because of the melodrama tidal wave. But yoyo was too adorable.
Im glad that the bulk of the melodrama was towards the middle, not the end. Doing it all at the end tends to spoil or make the ending feel rushed in my opinion.
I'm actually getting sick of it. This is not a PSA in a junior high school. If it were, they should also show…
As for the consent points. I will concede that some dramas go kinda overboard with the needing verbal consent thing. Some make it work, and it adds to the mood or matches the characters. Some don't. So the acknowledgement of nonverbal consent and how to read it is important. And people have liked it in the few instances we've seen (such as episode 7 of Kinnporsche - very subtle, but fans picked up on it).
But consent is a sensitive topic. And media, whether we like it or not, does influence how we see the world, people, and events. Historically, dramas (and ESPECIALLY BLs) utilized, overlooked, and even romanticized lack of consent or incidents of dubious consent. And alot of those stories are still popular. Still circulating. Still reaching new viewers. And still being replicated in new stories. So I don't see much of a problem with including these moments, as long as they fit the character and/or mood. And in my opinion, as discussed in my other comment, this one did. As well as addressing a different aspect of consent than others.
I'm actually getting sick of it. This is not a PSA in a junior high school. If it were, they should also show…
Honestly, that scene could have went multiple ways. For one, yes - there had to have been a lot of pent up tension. So for most people, backing out would have been a bizarre idea. And even if they did decide not to go all the way, there's still plenty of other stuff to do in the bedroom.
But I can also see why it went the way it did. Li Gong has carried a torch for Ze Shou for so many years without ever believing it would get returned. And he genuinely seemed conflicted about the idea of potentially moving on (back in the marriage meetings) while he still had feelings for Ze Shou. So that leads me to 2 character presumptions: 1.) He's never been intimate with someone else. 2.) This still feels unreal to him and he doesn't know how to move forward with how it's going. Especially at this pace. Like Ze Shou said, it had only been 2 days. Compared to how many years exactly of nothing?
There's also the fact that Ze Shou and Li Gong still havent figured out a rhythm with each other yet. Ze Shou has amped his touchy-feelyness up to 11. And is being really cheesily romantic - which Li Gong is not used to being on the receiving end. And when you watch them, Li Gong still seems quite uncomfortable with the amount of touching Ze Shou is doing. He's not annoyed yet - but he is obviously uncomfortable based on that body language.
So I can totally see his reaction as being - "Okay, i know i want this. Alot. But this is moving too fast. I'm actually not ready for this step quite yet."
But they do seem to have gotten more a rhythm together while camping. So perhaps that nervousness will be changing soon.
That was cute - it's a rarity to see a slice of life when people get into a relationship because it usually happens…
Yea, I've been seeing quite a few complaints on a number of platforms about how now that everyone is together and happy, there's not much point to watching anymore. I blame the fact that we're always getting dramas where the end/ultimate goal is getting together. There is so much more to a relationship than just getting together - especially for friends-to-lovers couples.
Wasn't it his family that has a restaurant? Although that would probably make me hate cooking.
It had nothing to do with top/bottom. O.o Let's scratch out real-life experience and just focus on fictional characters, there are plenty of tops in BLs that cook and it matches them. There are plenty of bottoms in BLs that are walking kitchen disasters and it matches them. Vice versa is also true. And there are plenty of ambiguous/vers/switches that could be either or. Even outside of BLs, there are plenty of male characters, even macho/dominent-type men, who cook and it matches them.
Habits-wise: Li Gong is always bringing/offering food to Ze Shou. Seems like it's one of his ways to show he cares. And I didn't initially pick up on the fact that all of it was take-out.
Personality-wise: Li Gong really exudes a persona of having his life together, being self-reliant, etc. Seems like the kind of person that would typically know how to cook for at least themselves.
Trope-wise: Li Gong was the one with the unrequited crush for the longest time. Usually the character in this role knows how to cook, and may even make food for said crush (although, there are some notable exceptions).
*I'm ace, so bedroom positions is quite literally a non-factor for me. I know it's important for some people, but it's not for me at all. I couldn't care less. Besides, I'm fully aware of how just about none of those top/bottom stereotypes actually apply in real life. *But yes, the height/build being associated with bedroom position is really a problem in media.
Wasn't it his family that has a restaurant? Although that would probably make me hate cooking.
That would be Ze Shou’s dad that owns the restaurant. So it makes since that Ze Shou is good in the kitchen. But for some reason it wasnt part of my initial subconscious perceptions of Li Gong. Makes sense now though, and its kind of endearing.
Anyone who knows the title of the songs from the soundtrack? Can't Shazam and seems like it's not on Spotify either.
None of them have english names i believe. Music and music production is on the 8-12th slides of the end credits. Wish i could copy paste them for you. Sorry.
Still cherishing, wearing the earing, a gift from your ex speaks volumes, don't you think?
Not really. Its just an inanimate object. It only holds the meanings we give it. And that's exactly what happened - it got a different meaning. It was how they met and got to know each other.
Just like that lemon. At first, it was his livelihood and family business. Then it became a symbol of how doomed he is in love. Then it became associated with their first kiss and them getting together.
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Dont Say No is an excellent example of this. The second couple made that show. As someone who has had a stalker of many years, I never read him as being stalkerish (but with just slight alterations, he could have been). And I am utterly confident that if Pob had solidly rejected him (and not just his advances) or hadn't developed feelings - then Leon would have backed off.
The second couple in SCOY (I literally only watched for the 2 support couples) exhibit a rather similar story and set-up of testing the waters. Especially when we consider the entire week off-screen that Jao and Sky spent together and observed each other before Sky became more forward. I also liked how we can visibly see the shift between Jao's actual "no, I don't want this" to a flirtatious/teasing no.
But I don't really mind that they didn't spend a lot of time on it in this project- because it put the focus on him, his character, and his romance. Being intersex didn't define him, it was just a source of insecurity. His being intersex wasn't the focus of the story, instead the fact that he found people that were accepting. Accepting that he is in love with a guy.. Accepting that he is intersex. Accepting that he was raised as a girl, known as a girl, and even loved as a girl. And finally, accepting that he is NOT that girl anymore, accepting that he IS Amber. And loved for that fact.
https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/intersex.pdf
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/intersex-spectrum/
Yoyo is a national treasure.
Same with alot of the songs actually. Its a shame, the OSTs are really pretty.
I will concede that some dramas go kinda overboard with the needing verbal consent thing. Some make it work, and it adds to the mood or matches the characters. Some don't. So the acknowledgement of nonverbal consent and how to read it is important. And people have liked it in the few instances we've seen (such as episode 7 of Kinnporsche - very subtle, but fans picked up on it).
But consent is a sensitive topic. And media, whether we like it or not, does influence how we see the world, people, and events. Historically, dramas (and ESPECIALLY BLs) utilized, overlooked, and even romanticized lack of consent or incidents of dubious consent. And alot of those stories are still popular. Still circulating. Still reaching new viewers. And still being replicated in new stories. So I don't see much of a problem with including these moments, as long as they fit the character and/or mood. And in my opinion, as discussed in my other comment, this one did. As well as addressing a different aspect of consent than others.
For one, yes - there had to have been a lot of pent up tension. So for most people, backing out would have been a bizarre idea. And even if they did decide not to go all the way, there's still plenty of other stuff to do in the bedroom.
But I can also see why it went the way it did. Li Gong has carried a torch for Ze Shou for so many years without ever believing it would get returned. And he genuinely seemed conflicted about the idea of potentially moving on (back in the marriage meetings) while he still had feelings for Ze Shou. So that leads me to 2 character presumptions:
1.) He's never been intimate with someone else.
2.) This still feels unreal to him and he doesn't know how to move forward with how it's going. Especially at this pace. Like Ze Shou said, it had only been 2 days. Compared to how many years exactly of nothing?
There's also the fact that Ze Shou and Li Gong still havent figured out a rhythm with each other yet. Ze Shou has amped his touchy-feelyness up to 11. And is being really cheesily romantic - which Li Gong is not used to being on the receiving end. And when you watch them, Li Gong still seems quite uncomfortable with the amount of touching Ze Shou is doing. He's not annoyed yet - but he is obviously uncomfortable based on that body language.
So I can totally see his reaction as being - "Okay, i know i want this. Alot. But this is moving too fast. I'm actually not ready for this step quite yet."
But they do seem to have gotten more a rhythm together while camping. So perhaps that nervousness will be changing soon.
Let's scratch out real-life experience and just focus on fictional characters, there are plenty of tops in BLs that cook and it matches them. There are plenty of bottoms in BLs that are walking kitchen disasters and it matches them. Vice versa is also true. And there are plenty of ambiguous/vers/switches that could be either or. Even outside of BLs, there are plenty of male characters, even macho/dominent-type men, who cook and it matches them.
Habits-wise: Li Gong is always bringing/offering food to Ze Shou. Seems like it's one of his ways to show he cares. And I didn't initially pick up on the fact that all of it was take-out.
Personality-wise: Li Gong really exudes a persona of having his life together, being self-reliant, etc. Seems like the kind of person that would typically know how to cook for at least themselves.
Trope-wise: Li Gong was the one with the unrequited crush for the longest time. Usually the character in this role knows how to cook, and may even make food for said crush (although, there are some notable exceptions).
*I'm ace, so bedroom positions is quite literally a non-factor for me. I know it's important for some people, but it's not for me at all. I couldn't care less. Besides, I'm fully aware of how just about none of those top/bottom stereotypes actually apply in real life.
*But yes, the height/build being associated with bedroom position is really a problem in media.
I also love the way Naoya says Kouta’s name.
Just like that lemon. At first, it was his livelihood and family business. Then it became a symbol of how doomed he is in love. Then it became associated with their first kiss and them getting together.