DistantDream

We dont know, I mean technically for Bai Ze to know Ji Can existed... there must need to be a Ji Can in the past for it to be recorded

Yes, that why time travel when use in writing will often lead to these type of possible loop hole.

But also not all loop hole are equal as some can be narrative breaking.

Like I cant say for sure that WSG still somehow doesnt end up at shilin sect early and maybe with him there it would prevented Ji Ling from dying.

Also Ji Ling could still be alive cause Ji Can wouldn't want him to die there

I reedited, I dont disagree with you on that specific part

I had to reedited some of my thoughts, just in case if you read it before I edited it

Yeah I agree, ofc he didn't know.

I mean if you put it that way it sound like YWH was always going to die if he eat the dragon scale, we don't know that cause it never happen.

Cause Ji Ling ate it and he was alive. What if it cure YWH wasting sickness ?

But I dont disagree with you, there was the plan, but there was a flaw with it and Chi Wen created a new one

Also LWY was created after the event of the Flood Dragon Masscare, so we can assume JL killing the fox queen wouldnt change that fact WSG was lost to the shilin sect

As WSG master would still meet his end with Wu Zhi Qi

and WSG would still carry the hatred for the shilin sect

Remember, LWY was created AFTER the event of the Flood Dragon clan.

This is when the WSG master blew WWY up, and she took each piece of the foxes to create LWY.

So JL going back to kill YJ here would not change the fact that WSG master took him away at Dragon Abyss

The Shilin Sect then lost track of WSG. WSG Master would also pass away with the event following Wu Zhi Qi

These events are unchanged by Ji Ling killing the Fox Queen early

He would eventually be at the Shilin Sect because of his hatred for dragon

All of this time, while this is happening, YWH would have died, and all of the people in the Shilin sect would have died because the event of YWH took place 150 years ago. There literally 100-year gap

Yeah you can put it like that or he doesn't need a vessel and just need someone who immortal to be the fake dragon deity.

Maybe that was his original intend all along with YWH, until Ji Ling out of love for his "brother" took his place ... Maybe that why Chi Wen call it the eternal shackle.

Even if it was not intentional, Chi Wen trying to create the vessels inadvertently created the conditions needed for the time loop.

Firstly, Chi Wen original plan was to have a vessel so he can move his spirit to. This was change at the last minute because he didn't want to sacrifice Ji Ling. So he suggest the creation of the 10th dragon.

Secondly Li Jie existence is strictly tie to Ji Ling, In a world Ji Ling does not exist YWH his two obsession would not have exist. Protect him and set him free.

If we want to consider the new timeline at the end that WSG is in, it a timeline that one LWY never existed and Ji Ling sadly committed suicided after witnessing people around him die and dying in that cave with his A 'Wu.

This because Ji Ling existence is strictly tie to LWY , after that cave scene

What you are seeing is essentially a classic bootstrap paradox.

If LWY no longer exists in the original world, then JL had no one to stop him from suicide

Logically, this would be true if every version of his suicide always happened the exact same way.

Because the loop seems to work like this:

LWY exists → enters the time loop → realizes she cannot save him through ordinary means → goes back to the point when JL is at his loneliest → prevents his death → JL survives and becomes LS → JY creates LWY to get close to JL → All the events that lead to LWY to go back to the moment when she severed her tail to give hope to JL

This order of event which creates a closed causal loop.

So LWY’s existence depends on JL surviving, while JL surviving depends on LWY existing. That is the paradox.

What JL does at the end of episode 29 appears to break that loop, which is why it can resolve the contradiction. He introduces a new choice outside the repeating chain of cause and effect.

There is a caveat to this, though he made those decisions in episode 29 with knowledge of the loop given by Lonescale

However, they did a poor job of showcasing the paradox, as they were indeed "fated ones" where one must live while the other must die. It literally means that, because if you look at the loop, they are the reason the other is alive/exists

I want to point out, things you might not consider

he was already there the star stone gave him enough power to hatch

We need to make a discussion post to collect all the milestone reach ! so future watcher can appreciated how great it was when it air

Good question ! I was wondering about this myself, but sadly no we don't

Jiu Ying going into it doesnt mean he can get out, we saw what it took to created an exist with JL.

JY at that point 100% doesnt have the power to do that.

He lie though this I know for sure , if you translate the sign next to the flower shop it mean something.

There is almost no way to tell, it could be same world different time line....

We literally don't know they could have gone to a timeline where the star stone never landed

There would be no JY

The dragon sons would never need to sacrifice themself

WSG wouldnt existed

I break down the paradox for you, but you have to accept certain fixed events.

However, if you don't view them as fixed events (they always happen, no matter what, in all possible timelines).

Then it not really a paradox

Yes, that is the reality of it: in a world where LWY would never have existed, JL would likely perish as well.

What you’re pointing out is essentially a classic bootstrap paradox.

“If LWY no longer exists in the original world, then JL had no one to stop him from suicide, right?”

Logically, that would be true if every version of his suicide always happened the exact same way.

Because the loop seems to work like this:

LWY exists → enters the time loop → realizes she cannot save him through ordinary means → goes back to the point when JL is at his loneliest → prevents his death → JL survives and becomes LS → JY creates LWY to get close to JL → All the events that lead to LWY to go back to the moment when she severed her tail to give hope to JL

This order of event which creates a closed causal loop.

So LWY’s existence depends on JL surviving, while JL surviving depends on LWY existing. That is the paradox.

What JL does at the end of episode 29 appears to break that loop, which is why it can resolve the contradiction. He introduces a new choice outside the repeating chain of cause and effect.

There is a caveat to this, though he made those decisions in episode 29 with knowledge of the loop given by Lonescale

However, they did a poor job of showcasing the paradox, as there was a "fated one" who must live while the other must die. It literally means that, because if you look at the loop, the other person is the reason the other one is alive/exist

Nothing will happen, JL also when it but he need scared power to created an exist (Gaining 6 petals) JY that when inside were most likely just either dead or stuck forever since both side are closed

But just know this JL and LWY is really fated together

LWY going through everything was needed so she can go back in time to prevent JL from committing suicide back in the cave with his A'Wu.

In no world can those two really exist without the other. LWY was created specifically to get close to JL, but JL is also alive because LWY existed

In the new time line where WSG is, if there is no LWY there would also be no JL, because he would not be alive