lol. Are you saying that rape should never, ever be a plot point in a fictionalized work of art of any kind, ever anywhere?
Of course, there was no rape in this series to begin with, but as far as my question goes, that is beside the point. You want rape banned from dramas? How about murder? Why not kidnapping? Why does the maker of a fictionalized drama need to care what you think about their work or what's included in it?
Why isn't this series getting more attention? It is off-the-charts funny and well-produced in every aspect. Doesn't even feel like a "BL" to me, whatever that means anymore, but like a feature film in installments. So excellent Where is episode 4?
Edan Lui is a comedic genius and I am laughing my ass off at this hilarious show. Started watching on a whim and couldn't believe how excellent it was. Acting, blocking, direction, cinematography, sets, everything, first rate. I had no idea this would be so good. What a great surprise.
I hope the plot goes in another direction than the original when it comes down to brass tacks, as I feel the original totally copped out and went bromance at such a weird point. I was left with a very dissatisfied feeling. Hoping this one gives itself the ending it deserves.
I agree with someone below who commented that KK is slightly less creepy, and I think that's an important point. The original always had me going "eeewwww..." in his scenes instead of "oooohhhhh..." I'm really excited to see where this show goes.
Damn. This is turning into one of those BLs where pretty much ALL the guys are gay and low-key squabbling among themselves over who gets who, who flirts with who, who has the right to ask who is with who, yadayadayada...where's the dramatic tension in any of that? Some BLs are going so far to be LGBTQ-friendly that it's kind of...boring. Probably won't drop this, but I'm halfway through ep 5 and suddenly was extremely over it. I'll try again later.
Through ep 3 so far. This is pretty good. Some stupidities in the writing, but yeah...it's a solid, mid-level BL and the MC is rapidly becoming one of my favorites. Each has qualities unique to the genre, at least to my taste, especially Ruk, and I like that apparently the Northern Thailand/Isaan connection will soon play a larger part in the plot.
Ruk is just really charismatic/adorable in a little stud sort of way. LOVE the gay kid with the naturally high voice and how that's just the way he is; it's not being played for ridicule, although people don't pretend NOT to notice either. His twin side-kicks are also cute and funny. I STILL don't get the main plot point regarding IG's deception but whatever. Some funny stuff.
The main gang of buddies is funny/cute; I especially like the super-tall, lanky guy for some reason as well as the bookish one. Lots to like here...why is this being generally ignored?
I'm enjoying this. Wondering why there's not been more publicity about it? There are shows far worse that are all over the MDL radar. This one's gotten quite a few big laughs out of me, which I don't dispense freely, and little Ruk is a small, hot package. :D Good actor too. My understanding is it's produced by a northern Thai company, correct? This would explain the almost Bollywood sound of the theme song, I guess. Interesting. Anyway, I like what I've seen through episode three, though IG's strategy of getting that b***h back by you-know-what seems pulled randomly out of nowhere. Plus she's an awful person and I have no clue why he wants her back.
Oh well, I will continue to just enjoy looking at Ruk and enjoying his eyebrows and cute personality. He's like this big, butch stud in a small body.
We definitely part ways on this one. To me the script was written from a specific brand of Pinoy BL checklist,…
OK. I'm cool with you no seeing it, maybe I'm imagining it. It's a style of writing in several other popular Pinoy shows that I didn't care for, in particular that OTHER BL from last year where two characters were stuck in an apartment together because of the pandemic. "Gaya sa Pelikula" To give you the specifics, I'd have to go back, rewatch the three eps of this series I viewed, take notes and then come back with my answer. I'm not willing to put myself through that. :D
Ha! You're about as much in the minority as it's possible to be. This sequel has been a success in every way that…
Yes, it's then, not "den." You didn't answer as to what THAT bullshit is supposed to be. Who are you trying to sound like? Hmmm...does "double lid surgery" have the side-effect of increasing one's capacity for compassion? I hadn't heard that but if it's true, by all means go for it. Such a "stupid" series that it was a raging success in all the categories that matter...your opinion not being one of them. Which is likely why you're so angry. And so, "den," I'll say goodbye.
BEWARE: Long Comment, Spoils most major plot points.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~This story is weird for me. I find that…
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. I enjoyed reading through them though I became angry at several points you made. You seem to lack compassion, empathy and just simple knowledge about several aspects of life touched upon in this movie.
I am a gay man who grew up in the 1960s/1970s American Midwest. I know all about having homophobia drilled into one's consciousness until every though you are gay, hating gayness is in your DNA. Now why don't we start with the fact that both young men were indoctrinated just as I was, in a parochial school environment, which will TOTALLY fuck up your mind, in particularly if you are gay. So cut these guys some slack, for starters.
You bring up Kevin and his rampage of unprotected, promiscuous, anonymous sex toward the beginning of your comment, though it comes late in the movie. AFTER Jaimie rejected him and AFTER, in another self-destructive step, he flushed all his meds down the toilet. Do you not know anything about depression, which Kevin has been fighting for years? Depending on the severity of the case, and his seems pretty severe, given that he was living in a group home at movie's start, indicating a severe depressive episode or breakdown, once you head down that rabbit hole into darkness and despair, you are not seeing the world as it is or making rational choices. Kevin didn't run around having wild sex just for the hell of it, he was terribly depressed, likely somewhat manic, and very self- destructive. I saw it as a form of slow-motion suicide, which was very much on his mind, given what I took to be a dream where he walked into the ocean and disappeared.
Are you REALLY so ignorant as to the number of bi/gay men who marry women out of a desperate attempt to live a "normal" life, to do what is expected of them and not make waves? It happens ALL THE FREAKING TIME. I was one of those men and I pulled it off for twelve years, convincing myself I was bi and could swing either way, so why go the hard way? Jaimie's grumpy GF was already annoyed with him that they weren't engaged, she made that clear. Kevin came along and scared the hell out of him with all the feelings that arose in him...OF COURSE he proposed to her, why wouldn't he? It's not as though he could announce his engagement to Kevin and they would be congratulated by all their friends, go plan their wedding at the wedding planners, have a big bash, get married and have a loving life, is it?
Regarding Kevin and Fai give me a break. You are extremely judgemental, self-righteous and Puritanical. Fai was flirting his ass off at Kevin almost from day one.. He was a troubled kid with a bad family life. Kevin gave him someone to talk to. Fai came to Kevin's apartment and tried to spend the night; Kevin sent him home. Fai made a few other passes and got nowhere. Only one time did Kevin slip up, and even then he cut things short before the act was completed. Hell, Kevin should report Fai to the company, especially if he's 18. Do you not know that students throw themselves at teachers all the time? Of course it was Kevin's job to toe the line and keep things professional, but unlike you he is not made of stone and he let things go too far ONCE. He could have had his way with that kid every day of the week if he wanted to. He didn't do that, did he? And you with your grand declaration..."disgusting!" Please. Cast the first stone once you are perfect, OK? "Human!" is the better description.
I don't get what YOU don't get about the end. Jaime will tell his fiancee he's gay and he's been in love with Kevin since high school but he was too much of a coward, like me, to face up to who he is and who he loves and make a go of it. And he should tell her immediately, though in my mind she's probably standing there in the street watching Jaimie and Kevin make out so there won't be too much to explain. It will suck for her, and it will be painful but at least he will have spared her a life with a husband who is in love with someone else, a man. Besides which, SHE ALREADY KNOWS Jaimie is in love with Kevin, the woman isn't blind or stupid. Assuming they are merely engaged, it will be a huge relief to her once she calms down. In what way would it make sense or be right to go ahead and marry the woman after what Jaimie has finally broken down and admitted to himself?
"have your internalized homophobia, whatever..." You are a person of great compassion and empathy, aren't you? Not. Internalized homophobia, thru which gay people are taught to HATE themselves to the core, is a form of soul-murder and if that's not something you can grasp and apply to this movie, then the film is simply beyond your capacity to understand. Even IF Kevin has HIV at the end of the film, so what? It is now nothing more than a chronic condition, the virus is most often made to be UNDETECTABLE in the blood with just one pill a day, a job which used to be impossible on dozens of pills a day, at which point it becomes IMPOSSIBLE to infect anyone thru sex and there are these things called condoms and safer sex practices too. Jaimie doesn't have to get HIV from Kevin even if he has it, and HIV is not what will kill Kevin; old age will do that. Where have you been the last 12 years or so?
This movie was extremely relatable, moving and powerful to me, because I have an open heart and mind, as well as a belief in forgiveness and redemption, none of which you seem to possess. I have no idea what you were doing watching this film in the first place, it is way over your head.
Good acting and well made indie drama, however story is very slow paced and at times a little boring. It's watchable…
hmmm...I think maybe over the last 20 years I have become very comfortable with slow-paced films if they keep me emotionally engaged, which this one did. I'm curious as to what you don't feel was "tied up" by the end? To me it's pretty clear what's going to happen next, what HAS to happen next for either of them to live their lives well and fully.
Just watched this flick for the second time after about a year's passing in between. I had forgotten how deeply it moved me, how well it made me care for and about BOTH Kevin and Jaimie, though both were not equally responsible for the sorrow and passive tragedy that had befallen them over the years.
There is not one aspect of the story that I can fault as not being told/shown clearly or well enough. I love this movie, especially that even after all the sadness and loneliness and fear and regrets it leaves us with an ending filled with hope and the triumph of love.
This is cute and silly and fluffy...and even a little weird given that fujoshi sister with her obsessive spying and psychotic little giggle. ew. I don't get why some viewers are OK with tropes and cliches all over the place, but when a fujoshi shows up, they lose their shit.
I like fujoshis. Fujoshis and their interest in gay men hooking up and having relationships is basically the cornerstone of the entire BL genre. Yes, some fujoshis in some series are seemingly psycho and have boundary issues. But many are sincerely helpful and eager in assisting the objects of their fascination to get together...the sneaking and conspiring is all part of the fun. And I have met enough fujoshis through MDL friendships to know that the fujoshi phenomenon is real and intense for many of these women. Just as my fascination with BLs does not require justification to anyone else, neither does the throbbing pulse of their sweet fujoshi hearts.
I was enjoying this until Ep 3 - which was entirely with a psyhotic fujoshi and her plan to use the old BL standard…
Yeah, the fujoshi sister seems a tad bit off her rocker to say the least, and the way she AND her brother set up and used that poor girl was really hard-core mean, which seems entirely out of keeping with the otherwise light-hearted vibe of this little series.
But come on...it's a BL. If characters were direct, mature and honest in their communication skills, there would be no BL genre.
Why do they make Fujoshis daydream about their siblings? Isn't there like a line drawn or hidden rule as to not…
First of all, who is "they?"
No, there is no such line drawn, there is no such hidden rule, thank goodness. People are free to fantasize about whatever they damn-well please, and if you think fantasizing about one's brother flirting/making out with other guys because one is a fujoshi is a racy, forbidden thing, then you have lived a very protected life or you're 13 years old. I suspect the latter.
In the real world, where this series is playing out, the sister actually did NOT fantasize about them making out OR having sex; those fantasies are in YOUR head, not hers. It seems clear the sister is damn-near if not entirely mentally ill, and yet your fantasies are more twisted than hers. Interesting.
Ha! You're about as much in the minority as it's possible to be. This sequel has been a success in every way that…
lol I love that your comment attacking me for my anger, ignorance, lack of ability to accept criticism, being an asshole and cursing is chock-full of anger, ignorance, lack of ability to accept criticism, assholiness and cursing. LOTS of cursing.
I do have one question: What would be the purpose of "brown-nosing these fictional characters?" Dude. I'm really not clear on that as they don't really...exist. What would I expect to achieve by kissing their non-existent asses?
Of course, there was no rape in this series to begin with, but as far as my question goes, that is beside the point. You want rape banned from dramas? How about murder? Why not kidnapping? Why does the maker of a fictionalized drama need to care what you think about their work or what's included in it?
This show is excellent. Rating it a 9 right now.
Edan Lui is a comedic genius and I am laughing my ass off at this hilarious show. Started watching on a whim and couldn't believe how excellent it was. Acting, blocking, direction, cinematography, sets, everything, first rate. I had no idea this would be so good. What a great surprise.
I hope the plot goes in another direction than the original when it comes down to brass tacks, as I feel the original totally copped out and went bromance at such a weird point. I was left with a very dissatisfied feeling. Hoping this one gives itself the ending it deserves.
I agree with someone below who commented that KK is slightly less creepy, and I think that's an important point. The original always had me going "eeewwww..." in his scenes instead of "oooohhhhh..." I'm really excited to see where this show goes.
Ruk is just really charismatic/adorable in a little stud sort of way. LOVE the gay kid with the naturally high voice and how that's just the way he is; it's not being played for ridicule, although people don't pretend NOT to notice either. His twin side-kicks are also cute and funny. I STILL don't get the main plot point regarding IG's deception but whatever. Some funny stuff.
The main gang of buddies is funny/cute; I especially like the super-tall, lanky guy for some reason as well as the bookish one. Lots to like here...why is this being generally ignored?
And we may have BL's FIRST FUJOSHI MAMA! :D
Oh well, I will continue to just enjoy looking at Ruk and enjoying his eyebrows and cute personality. He's like this big, butch stud in a small body.
I am a gay man who grew up in the 1960s/1970s American Midwest. I know all about having homophobia drilled into one's consciousness until every though you are gay, hating gayness is in your DNA. Now why don't we start with the fact that both young men were indoctrinated just as I was, in a parochial school environment, which will TOTALLY fuck up your mind, in particularly if you are gay. So cut these guys some slack, for starters.
You bring up Kevin and his rampage of unprotected, promiscuous, anonymous sex toward the beginning of your comment, though it comes late in the movie. AFTER Jaimie rejected him and AFTER, in another self-destructive step, he flushed all his meds down the toilet. Do you not know anything about depression, which Kevin has been fighting for years? Depending on the severity of the case, and his seems pretty severe, given that he was living in a group home at movie's start, indicating a severe depressive episode or breakdown, once you head down that rabbit hole into darkness and despair, you are not seeing the world as it is or making rational choices. Kevin didn't run around having wild sex just for the hell of it, he was terribly depressed, likely somewhat manic, and very self- destructive. I saw it as a form of slow-motion suicide, which was very much on his mind, given what I took to be a dream where he walked into the ocean and disappeared.
Are you REALLY so ignorant as to the number of bi/gay men who marry women out of a desperate attempt to live a "normal" life, to do what is expected of them and not make waves? It happens ALL THE FREAKING TIME. I was one of those men and I pulled it off for twelve years, convincing myself I was bi and could swing either way, so why go the hard way? Jaimie's grumpy GF was already annoyed with him that they weren't engaged, she made that clear. Kevin came along and scared the hell out of him with all the feelings that arose in him...OF COURSE he proposed to her, why wouldn't he? It's not as though he could announce his engagement to Kevin and they would be congratulated by all their friends, go plan their wedding at the wedding planners, have a big bash, get married and have a loving life, is it?
Regarding Kevin and Fai give me a break. You are extremely judgemental, self-righteous and Puritanical. Fai was flirting his ass off at Kevin almost from day one.. He was a troubled kid with a bad family life. Kevin gave him someone to talk to. Fai came to Kevin's apartment and tried to spend the night; Kevin sent him home. Fai made a few other passes and got nowhere. Only one time did Kevin slip up, and even then he cut things short before the act was completed. Hell, Kevin should report Fai to the company, especially if he's 18. Do you not know that students throw themselves at teachers all the time? Of course it was Kevin's job to toe the line and keep things professional, but unlike you he is not made of stone and he let things go too far ONCE. He could have had his way with that kid every day of the week if he wanted to. He didn't do that, did he? And you with your grand declaration..."disgusting!" Please. Cast the first stone once you are perfect, OK? "Human!" is the better description.
I don't get what YOU don't get about the end. Jaime will tell his fiancee he's gay and he's been in love with Kevin since high school but he was too much of a coward, like me, to face up to who he is and who he loves and make a go of it. And he should tell her immediately, though in my mind she's probably standing there in the street watching Jaimie and Kevin make out so there won't be too much to explain. It will suck for her, and it will be painful but at least he will have spared her a life with a husband who is in love with someone else, a man. Besides which, SHE ALREADY KNOWS Jaimie is in love with Kevin, the woman isn't blind or stupid. Assuming they are merely engaged, it will be a huge relief to her once she calms down. In what way would it make sense or be right to go ahead and marry the woman after what Jaimie has finally broken down and admitted to himself?
"have your internalized homophobia, whatever..." You are a person of great compassion and empathy, aren't you? Not. Internalized homophobia, thru which gay people are taught to HATE themselves to the core, is a form of soul-murder and if that's not something you can grasp and apply to this movie, then the film is simply beyond your capacity to understand. Even IF Kevin has HIV at the end of the film, so what? It is now nothing more than a chronic condition, the virus is most often made to be UNDETECTABLE in the blood with just one pill a day, a job which used to be impossible on dozens of pills a day, at which point it becomes IMPOSSIBLE to infect anyone thru sex and there are these things called condoms and safer sex practices too. Jaimie doesn't have to get HIV from Kevin even if he has it, and HIV is not what will kill Kevin; old age will do that. Where have you been the last 12 years or so?
This movie was extremely relatable, moving and powerful to me, because I have an open heart and mind, as well as a belief in forgiveness and redemption, none of which you seem to possess. I have no idea what you were doing watching this film in the first place, it is way over your head.
Nine stars.
There is not one aspect of the story that I can fault as not being told/shown clearly or well enough. I love this movie, especially that even after all the sadness and loneliness and fear and regrets it leaves us with an ending filled with hope and the triumph of love.
Nine stars from me.
I like fujoshis. Fujoshis and their interest in gay men hooking up and having relationships is basically the cornerstone of the entire BL genre. Yes, some fujoshis in some series are seemingly psycho and have boundary issues. But many are sincerely helpful and eager in assisting the objects of their fascination to get together...the sneaking and conspiring is all part of the fun. And I have met enough fujoshis through MDL friendships to know that the fujoshi phenomenon is real and intense for many of these women. Just as my fascination with BLs does not require justification to anyone else, neither does the throbbing pulse of their sweet fujoshi hearts.
If you hate fujoshis, you hate BL.
But come on...it's a BL. If characters were direct, mature and honest in their communication skills, there would be no BL genre.
No, there is no such line drawn, there is no such hidden rule, thank goodness. People are free to fantasize about whatever they damn-well please, and if you think fantasizing about one's brother flirting/making out with other guys because one is a fujoshi is a racy, forbidden thing, then you have lived a very protected life or you're 13 years old. I suspect the latter.
In the real world, where this series is playing out, the sister actually did NOT fantasize about them making out OR having sex; those fantasies are in YOUR head, not hers. It seems clear the sister is damn-near if not entirely mentally ill, and yet your fantasies are more twisted than hers. Interesting.
I do have one question: What would be the purpose of "brown-nosing these fictional characters?" Dude. I'm really not clear on that as they don't really...exist. What would I expect to achieve by kissing their non-existent asses?