Someone ought to add the show under TV shows ? edit : it's in the list https://kisskh.at/762903-who-s-the-murderer-season-9 But impossible to add photos (wtf?) I just added the 7 characters posters from Who's The Murderer as a new GIF in the Profile. added a note about it on the TV show page
Part 1 - https://youtu.be/UtEh9V02VLA?si=MAsp4IZ0D4lr2lSrPart 2 - https://youtu.be/2CjknoP2wyw?si=nVhOF5-Afd2xak68Youtube…
News added together with a GIF for the show in "Entertainer" section of the Chen Zheyuan Profile 😁 (I had already found it through the YuanGege1029 channel, who had a short, from which I cut the Gif. Alerts are useful on YT, when busy watching other dramas, lol) The direct link is useful.
he has just returned to China from abroad. it has not mentioned where he lived in the last 10 year
10 years is not long enough to have forgotten all about his original culture (except if he left as a teenager), and anyway, in that line of business (management, but also diplomacy, anything), you get briefings before getting abroad about local culture norms, what missteps to avoid, use of money and tax reporting... Even if it's not always included in the training of foreign companies or public bodies, it is a personal responsibility to do so. A manager can't be so careless as to neglect this, or neglect getting familiar with employees files instead of taking rash decisions. There are plenty of information and videos on how things are done in other culture, on the Internet!
He Dong…you crack me up 🤣 🤣Just curious, nowadays people in China don’t carry a stack of cash. Here…
This was a culture clash moment. Can't believe that very young hotel manager pro does not remember the cultural norms or has been careless about being briefed before he came back from overseas where tipping can be almost compulsory. In China, tipping in restaurants and hotels can be felt as an attempt at bribery! Flaunting one's money like a 1930s comprador throwing it at dancers and call girls is not the best image of oneself to project! Besides, China is a mostly cash less society now, where only old people still do transactions on the village markets with coins! YZM is supposed to have an assistant (He Dong) : has that one also been out of country so long and is he as careless as his boss not to warn him?
I read an explanation why YZM carry so much cash on him and tips so often. He just came back from abroad.
Yes, I was puzzled about that in the context of China's now mostly cash less society. Also, tips in restaurants and hotels are not the norm in China : it can be perceived as an attempt at bribery! Much worse than taking the blame for someone else for a peccadillo like the cake incident.
Best line... If you can't even protect yourself at your work place, then you have no right to work their...
to work THERE. It looks like an interesting phrase but I thought it was callous and unjustified, and the "can't even..." is also disparaging. There is always a right upheld by laws to work somewhere. Sometimes the workplace is a battlefield where employees get mistreated, injured or sick people forced out, pregnant women put in positions where they are forced to resign or fired, young employees sexually harassed, jealousies or bias undermine the work... The team should show solidarity even if the workplace is not based on charity. Those who are wronged by people in power can't always single-handedly uphold their rights. They can only protect themselves mentally by not letting harm do too much lasting damage, try negotiation when possible, and if it does not work, maybe file a complaint in court.
Especially in a case like this when the employee had 7 years flawless experience and the new boss just came strolling to pick on someone to show his muscle without even having looked at employees track record. This felt as a very bad start for him and our story.
Complaining about leads chemistry is the worst argument I have seen... After seeing just 4 Ep...If someone wants…
Yeees. I stray over there too, for fluff once in a while 🤣🤣🤣 And I agree that 4 /37 episodes is not enough to get an opinion on "chemistry", esp. since synopsis makes it clear it is not love at first sight, but development and growth.
I love XK but he just looks too young for his role.
He does look young, yes. 28 at time of filming. Playing a senior pro top hotel manager oversea returnee, taking over management of a luxury brand hotel? It does take some suspension of disbelief, in appearance, although he is a skilled actor. I am still in waiting to see how this will develop.
that's a while ago (2014) 🤣 One signature role of Yang Zi to remember. Yes at the time, Niu Junfeng played the brother Hu Xiang Jiang to her Hu Xiang Xiang, wartime fiancée of Gu Qingming played then by Wallace Huo. 杨旎奥 Yang Ni'Ao (one nickname is "AoAo") was barely 21 when she filmed that Battle of Changsha period drama. And now, she was not yet 31 when she filmed Best Choice Ever (June to September 2023, in Shanghai and Anhui province)
His first language is Cantonese, but all mainland Chinese dramas must be spoken in Mandarin. A lot of actors/actresses…
Besides, that time is less expensive than having actors come back to dub themselves, which many do now, nonetheless, in the time assigned for the shoot. In a modern drama, there are less constraints from machinery such as cranes for "wirework" around the set (check the beginning of Romance of Tiger and Rose, for a fun glimpse of that sort of work), and no bulky costume and make up, wigs etc, which are wonderful to look at in historical costume, wuxia, or xianxia, so it would be easier for the actors to dub themselves when needed, if something was not clearly enunciated. Although actors are not all proficient at voice acting which is a special job (as was also shown in some dramas that show their importance as part of the plot, i.e. in Forever and Ever, Love Me Love My Voice).
Some voice actors have become "the" voice of one or more, and some have also at times become the choice voice actors who the screen actor/actress chose for themselves. Some voice actors are known to have a voice similar to the one they dub, so that's a relief when they can perhaps share time. Voice actors have valuable contribution and some of them have become well-known such as Bian Jang.
But in this drama, there is no name listed for dubbers on the Baidu drama page for the 41 actors listed. So I assume it is their real voices.
It’s really depends how it’s interpreted and its meaning. If it’s in Chinese, Haveninmuse has gave a very…
To me, it looked like the world view of traditional shanshui Chinese paintings, with the void between lower planes and more lofty ones. It was reinforced by the black (ink) and white colors, the brush Xing Zhi used to "repair" the falling heavens, on the large scroll painting with colors. I felt a connection between the painting action and the "world building actions" that creative artists, plastic or literary, use to gift us with the fruit of their imagination. Behind creative process, there's always a mystery (despite some may reduce it to "reasons") which link it to the arcane. In Chinese lore, there are also scrolls with cryptic, magic messages, like in the Yi Jing which are to be used by the action of throwing objects as one could throw spells.
Xianxia being a godchild of Daoism, encompassing other faiths and views like old folk religion and Buddhism, and the cycling between various forms and planes of existence of souls (or soul shards that must be reunited), the action of painting and unfolding scrolls, the talk about stars that might be picked, seemed symbolic of the importance of "higher powers", and magic. The Milky Way is indeed important in Chinese myths, so there may have been some influence for the set and CGI design, there.
But in the "Beyond heaven" depiction, Xing Zhi being seated on a round flat plane with void around, and in the distance, a sketchy peaks-barrier like veils hanging from nowhere, fluidly showing a sort of crumbling and rewinding : all that was rather removed from my notion of the void of interstellar deep space. I viewed it more like symbolic of a magical, unfathomable, removed, vision or "plane" where the power of the mind could create at will, such as the walls Xing Zhi put around Shen Li, or the wine that lonely Xing Zhi drank, the shards he walked on to get at least a feeling of pain against the depressing numbness and void.
It could also be in modern worldview, an alternate or parallel universes in the string theory where energy might create the tools to build and act.
From arts, pictorial, plastic, or alchemist, to science : action is the link and the cause of cycles, ancient or renewed, and finally, we end up wondering where and how freedom can arise, since cycles when "broken", are merely replaced by other ones... This xianxia can induce quite a few philosophical thoughts ! 🤣
Time for me to break the cycle, and check soon what Yang Zi has for us in her new family drama! For a change, back to firm mortal ground! 🤣🤣🤣
Sad how we never got to the buttom of that wondering couple storyline 😭 Like The god guy and the 2 girls....Who…
buttom, button? wondering? The triangle was indeed a "heavens being cruel" instance, but it got a resolution in the end, not the one you might wish, although the three linked souls do not vanish in destruction. To me, it was an illustration of the indecisiveness and possessiveness that can harm all involved, when someone thinks it is better to acknowledge unfaithfulness to appear "honest" and in fact, use a lover for selfish reasons. That's why that god was condemned to yearn "forever" until Xing Zhi, with the support of all the gods that kept some power, broke the cycle, and set the three free as a consequence.
It’s really depends how it’s interpreted and its meaning. If it’s in Chinese, Haveninmuse has gave a very…
it's a good nutshell explanation for me too. Although "space"? I just viewed it as another "ethereal plane" Because "deep space" is where my starship usually roams, exploring planets that can be quite close to xianxia, in landscapes, but are fundamentally different, lol That said, you are right about the signature link of xianxia to Chinese superstitious or religious beliefs with 3 or 6 realms of existence, and anyone can interpret the Yi Jing oracles as they choose, or the way the dao appears. So yes, it's complicated, there are many conflicting stories, so one is free to choose one view or another, personal or agreed on with others. Your post is way shorter than my rambling essays 🤣
Honestly the viki ones are more accurate in meaning. Their subbers probably went back and redid those names.I…
It's a fluid denomination. As the saying goes : "traduttore, traditore" - translations often betray the meanings. There is no "perfect translation". If you feel comfortable with demons as "friendly demons", why not call it Demon realm. If you are conflicted by religious views that see Demons as all inherently evil and non useful, non redeemable, then, in this story, better stay with "Immortals" (sort or warrior archangel-like figures in this story).
Anyway, as one, now classic, song went : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UjlNF7ui1M "Us (us, us, us, us) and them (them, them, them, them) And after all we're only ordinary men Me And you (you, you, you) God only knows It's not what we would choose -- to do --- Forward he cried from the rear And the front rank died And the general sat And the lines on the map Moved from side to side Black (black, black, black) And blue (blue, blue) And who knows which is which and who is who Up (up, up, up, up) And down (down, down, down, down) And in the end it's only round 'n round (round, round, round) Haven't you heard it's a battle of words The poster bearer cried.... "
It's just a battle of words. And this xianxia is much lighter than the song I quoted. Not depressing at all, lots of humor, and hope, love, and freedom in the happy end!
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https://kisskh.at/762903-who-s-the-murderer-season-9
But impossible to add photos (wtf?)
I just added the 7 characters posters from Who's The Murderer as a new GIF in the Profile.
added a note about it on the TV show page
Added the infos for Who's The Murderer S.9 (viewable with Eng subs from April 12 on Mango TV, direct link) and a collection of 12 Gif/memes from the show.
https://kisskh.at/discussions/an-ye-yu-li-ming/119875-profile-of-chen-zhe-yuan?pid=2762101&page=1#p2762101
The direct link is useful.
There are plenty of information and videos on how things are done in other culture, on the Internet!
Can't believe that very young hotel manager pro does not remember the cultural norms or has been careless about being briefed before he came back from overseas where tipping can be almost compulsory.
In China, tipping in restaurants and hotels can be felt as an attempt at bribery! Flaunting one's money like a 1930s comprador throwing it at dancers and call girls is not the best image of oneself to project!
Besides, China is a mostly cash less society now, where only old people still do transactions on the village markets with coins! YZM is supposed to have an assistant (He Dong) : has that one also been out of country so long and is he as careless as his boss not to warn him?
There is always a right upheld by laws to work somewhere.
Sometimes the workplace is a battlefield where employees get mistreated, injured or sick people forced out, pregnant women put in positions where they are forced to resign or fired, young employees sexually harassed, jealousies or bias undermine the work... The team should show solidarity even if the workplace is not based on charity. Those who are wronged by people in power can't always single-handedly uphold their rights. They can only protect themselves mentally by not letting harm do too much lasting damage, try negotiation when possible, and if it does not work, maybe file a complaint in court.
Especially in a case like this when the employee had 7 years flawless experience and the new boss just came strolling to pick on someone to show his muscle without even having looked at employees track record. This felt as a very bad start for him and our story.
And I agree that 4 /37 episodes is not enough to get an opinion on "chemistry", esp. since synopsis makes it clear it is not love at first sight, but development and growth.
One signature role of Yang Zi to remember.
Yes at the time, Niu Junfeng played the brother Hu Xiang Jiang to her Hu Xiang Xiang, wartime fiancée of Gu Qingming played then by Wallace Huo.
杨旎奥 Yang Ni'Ao (one nickname is "AoAo") was barely 21 when she filmed that Battle of Changsha period drama.
And now, she was not yet 31 when she filmed Best Choice Ever (June to September 2023, in Shanghai and Anhui province)
Some voice actors have become "the" voice of one or more, and some have also at times become the choice voice actors who the screen actor/actress chose for themselves. Some voice actors are known to have a voice similar to the one they dub, so that's a relief when they can perhaps share time. Voice actors have valuable contribution and some of them have become well-known such as Bian Jang.
But in this drama, there is no name listed for dubbers on the Baidu drama page for the 41 actors listed. So I assume it is their real voices.
Xianxia being a godchild of Daoism, encompassing other faiths and views like old folk religion and Buddhism, and the cycling between various forms and planes of existence of souls (or soul shards that must be reunited), the action of painting and unfolding scrolls, the talk about stars that might be picked, seemed symbolic of the importance of "higher powers", and magic. The Milky Way is indeed important in Chinese myths, so there may have been some influence for the set and CGI design, there.
But in the "Beyond heaven" depiction, Xing Zhi being seated on a round flat plane with void around, and in the distance, a sketchy peaks-barrier like veils hanging from nowhere, fluidly showing a sort of crumbling and rewinding : all that was rather removed from my notion of the void of interstellar deep space. I viewed it more like symbolic of a magical, unfathomable, removed, vision or "plane" where the power of the mind could create at will, such as the walls Xing Zhi put around Shen Li, or the wine that lonely Xing Zhi drank, the shards he walked on to get at least a feeling of pain against the depressing numbness and void.
It could also be in modern worldview, an alternate or parallel universes in the string theory where energy might create the tools to build and act.
From arts, pictorial, plastic, or alchemist, to science : action is the link and the cause of cycles, ancient or renewed, and finally, we end up wondering where and how freedom can arise, since cycles when "broken", are merely replaced by other ones...
This xianxia can induce quite a few philosophical thoughts ! 🤣
Time for me to break the cycle, and check soon what Yang Zi has for us in her new family drama! For a change, back to firm mortal ground! 🤣🤣🤣
The triangle was indeed a "heavens being cruel" instance, but it got a resolution in the end, not the one you might wish, although the three linked souls do not vanish in destruction. To me, it was an illustration of the indecisiveness and possessiveness that can harm all involved, when someone thinks it is better to acknowledge unfaithfulness to appear "honest" and in fact, use a lover for selfish reasons. That's why that god was condemned to yearn "forever" until Xing Zhi, with the support of all the gods that kept some power, broke the cycle, and set the three free as a consequence.
Although "space"? I just viewed it as another "ethereal plane"
Because "deep space" is where my starship usually roams, exploring planets that can be quite close to xianxia, in landscapes, but are fundamentally different, lol
That said, you are right about the signature link of xianxia to Chinese superstitious or religious beliefs with 3 or 6 realms of existence, and anyone can interpret the Yi Jing oracles as they choose, or the way the dao appears. So yes, it's complicated, there are many conflicting stories, so one is free to choose one view or another, personal or agreed on with others.
Your post is way shorter than my rambling essays 🤣
As the saying goes : "traduttore, traditore" - translations often betray the meanings. There is no "perfect translation".
If you feel comfortable with demons as "friendly demons", why not call it Demon realm.
If you are conflicted by religious views that see Demons as all inherently evil and non useful, non redeemable, then, in this story, better stay with "Immortals" (sort or warrior archangel-like figures in this story).
Anyway, as one, now classic, song went :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UjlNF7ui1M
"Us (us, us, us, us) and them (them, them, them, them)
And after all we're only ordinary men
Me And you (you, you, you)
God only knows
It's not what we would choose -- to do ---
Forward he cried from the rear
And the front rank died
And the general sat
And the lines on the map
Moved from side to side
Black (black, black, black)
And blue (blue, blue)
And who knows which is which and who is who
Up (up, up, up, up)
And down (down, down, down, down)
And in the end it's only round 'n round (round, round, round)
Haven't you heard it's a battle of words
The poster bearer cried.... "
It's just a battle of words. And this xianxia is much lighter than the song I quoted. Not depressing at all, lots of humor, and hope, love, and freedom in the happy end!