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when you watch logically you’d think that it was Wayu’s fantasy with smelling the coat and everything, but after reading the novel and Krit’s “you think I wasn’t dreaming and imagining just as much??” and what he did after I’m already not so sure whose fantasy was that, maybe a mutual fantasy 🤣 ahhh I hope this will be good, I love the trope of poker faces being the wildest most passionate ones in the sheets. like they always say “still water runs deep”. I hope they keep the lollipop and handcuffs scene too 😗

Sauna scene actually makes a lot of sense, bc it showed what was written in the book how they both want each other a lot, but Wayu despite heavy thirsty flirting for some reason constantly thinks that “no way Krit wants to kiss me, of course he doesn’t want me, ofc I’m not good enough” etc etc he’s so insecure, he annoys Tai constantly with “is there anything good in me? am I attractive? if you were gay would you fuck me?” but don’t worry Krit will show him how delicious he is haha

if they keep them as in the book mutually crazy about each other, I’ll so be on this train, that’s the type of ships that I love the most. Along with “actually last night you really scared me, but I loved it, I was happy when you got so openly possessive… and when I’m jealous, I’m just as bad.” Okay, two freaks.. but also if they keep all of it, I foresee someone’s here again gonna be yelling about how it’s unhealthy lmao really love equal passion, hope they won’t change it ❤️

P.S. There was no slapstick comedy in the book. I really beg and wish they’d end this trend already, not every show needs it, other types of comedy elements do exist. I don’t know who decided that we need it everywhere these days.

Nakhun laughing at presumably Phop’s tiny manhood will soon backfire hard when chapter 16 will come with him being in tears bc I quote “his size was NO JOKE, I really thought I wouldn’t be able to take him, even just the LARGE tip penetrating me caused excruciating pain. He lifted my leg and rested it on his shoulder allowing his THICK c*ck to sink even deeper into me. Luckily he was kissing me, otherwise I would let out a loud cry of pleasure.” 🤣😭 someone’s gonna write then how it was the longest incredible night and how “I was deeply satisfied” size h*e 🌚

Btw I’m surprised he’s so surprised that Phop isn’t interested in any romantic and sexual business with random ppl even though he himself in the present said “I was conventionally attractive, but I’ve never had boyfriends or girlfriends. Actually I have never felt romantic interests in anyone. My classmates had romances and relationships, but I’ve never been interested in that. I wasn’t selective about gender, it’s just that there wasn’t anyone who’d make my heart skip a beat or want them. Maybe I haven’t met someone who’d make me feel all that yet..” But suddenly for Phop not dating or wanting to f*ck someone random is strange haha pls excuse me, mr Logic 😅

This whole atmosphere in the club and hosts competitions reminded me of Mama Gogo 🤣

I yet again didn’t expect so much comedy (at least not the kind of jokes like spitting rice in someone’s face etc, which I really will never get sorry), I for some reason thought it was drama (maybe later haha). Same as didn’t expect so much comedy in Love Upon A Time. But I’ll keep watching, so far it’s interesting, their chemistry is always fire (kinda thinking of going to rewatch My Stand-In while waiting for the next episode) 🙂‍↔️ Maybe I’ll also go read the novel for now.

I really love it so far and I love me reincarnation/time travel stories, but I’m always kinda afraid of the execution of the love story in those bc it’s pretty easy to fuck up imo. I mean, for example I’m okay when it’s like Shen Wei/Yunlan situation when it’s clear and he’s well aware that he’s in love with the same person in all these countless lives and observes him in each one, then I can handle the angst and one of them not remembering until he finally remembers. Or when it’s like Palmnueng who just both remember that it’s still them just in their past bodies. But here for Nakhun he and Klao are completely different people. And I don’t understand yet how they’re gonna make it work in the love story aspect.

Because clearly Phop is in love with Klao, so for him to switch fast to Nakhun just bc he has same face is gonna be hella weird. If I understand correctly, we’re gonna watch Nakhun fall in love with Phop who is Klao’s Phop, not with his Phop the one in the future, right? (Yeah, I understand that it’s implied that it’s still his man throughout all their lives, but you get what I mean haha). In that case this is very sad. Unless they will make it work somehow and will make me believe that either Phop loves Nakhun more (again which isn’t possible, considering the fact that he’s with Klao all his life and is obsessed with him) or that he will somehow remember everything in the future idk idk

I might not make sense but hopefully someone will get me. I feel like it’s a Phop/Klao story and poor Nakhun is the one observing it. Honestly I’d rather want them both reincarnated and falling in love from clean slate or one just being from the future that the other falls in love with. Bc this scheme makes it all not quite a love story of Phob/Nakhun.

That “I will protect MY KLAO for the rest of my life” kinda killed it for me lol

It all can be hit or miss. I haven’t read the novel, but it’s pretty short and I’m not sure it’s super good at building up love story in a way that it will work either, but I’ll let them surprise me. But I highly doubt that they will show us another 12 episodes of future Phop falling in love with Nakhun.

pls, Than would be so offended by seeing “Pheem” and “evil” in one sentence. in the special episode he calls him “sweetheart” and forbade him to ever say bad things about himself 🤣

I think we all gotta note tho that thankfully these days so many various shows appeared portraying all kind of toxic romance that we can stop putting them all in one jar. Like just because you like dark romance genre doesn’t mean you like it all and just because you don’t like this particular dark romance ship doesn’t mean that you’re into disney fairytales.

Like I’m personally very happy about finally interesting and controversial stuff coming in, but there are indeed stages to dark romance from soft to hard and everyone has their own lines of too far or things they can handle or can’t so it’s okay, no need to split into extremes anymore. I’m just looking into the recommendations and thinking how far these steps from each other and how there’ s huge difference between Hua Yong’s dark romance and Vegas’s dark romance. Obviously it’s just not the same levels. So I think it’s valid to discuss it all. Kelvin/Veir relationships might not work for some for many other reasons that has nothing to do with the dark romance genre. Bc inside that genre can be all kind of various ships that can work and not work for you.

P.S. in the novel he actually doesn’t have any love for him even by the end thus he’s cold

I think the saddest part is that at the end there he doesn’t even have any wishes feelings and has zero will, he even doesn’t care with whom he is gonna end up, he picks randomly from Kelvin and other dude 🗿he doesn’t love him and hates sleeping with him, but still lies under it’s unsettling, they broke the dude, he’s just not mentally strong enough to be on par with Kelvin

yeah that’s exactly what I said after I finished reading this pearl of a novelism 💀 just ‘what?!!’ 🤣

Recommends for Kelvin are more like Moonjo from “Strangers From Hell” at this point, not these 💀💀🤣

yeah so just heads up for everyone that this is not a “match each other’s freak” or “I secretly enjoyed all that” kinda story and sadly there’s no wow characters who would surprise you by many different sides. one is just plain flat bad and disgusting with no other angles and the other is just broken and exhausted at the end

Veir says at the end of the novel that he doesn’t love him, he says he’s tired and stays with him bc Kelvin says he “loves” him 💀 and that’s right after he finds out that Kelvin orchestrated Veir being gangraped

and do not read, if you haven’t read, it’s a very stupid badly written novel, I kinda hoped they would improve it

RIP the hair then 💀and if they end up together in the exact same way as in the novel, there won’t be any need to rip, your hair will fall out naturally after watching it happen 🤣

Veir admits to himself that he doesn’t love Kelvin, finds out about Kelvin giving him for his brother to r*pe, thinks that it’s impossible to be that cruel, but is so exhausted that he gives himself an option to stay with him or the other guy depends on who “loves” him more. He asks Kelvin if he loves him more than the other guy and Kelvin says “ShengSheng (aka Veir) the person I adore and cherish the most in my life is you. If only I could love you for eternity, how wonderful that would be? Eternity is not enough actually, I need three.” But unlike when Hua Yong says it with his Sheng it doesn’t work there bc he watched his man being r*ped by his own brother and other things.

Veir describes Kelvin as quote “I knew his predatory nature would stop at nothing to keep his loved one by his side. And he loved me way too much. In my head I kept hearing his voice repeating my name. Fine then. He’s gonna be mine. All his schemes are gonna be mine. His love is gonna be mine. He’s all mine.”

At the end it left me with the feeling of uglyass depression but the author I think desperately tried to push it into romantic direction but it didn’t click like at all lol it’s one of the too weirdass endings I’ve read in all billions of c-novels 🌚

lol true about plot holes, but to me it was always like.. I can forgive and close my eyes on all kind of holes (🤣) if the characters and relationships make sense and are interesting, but after FP mentioning happy ending I just think how much of a disaster it’s gonna be, I at the very beginning thought they will change the novel in a way so their pairing would make sense and enter the toxic fiery elite, but as the show goes on, it’s clear that it’s impossible at this point sadly, which is sad bc with their chemistry they could’ve easily enter that league on the peak of that type of pseudo romance, but writing can’t give them that

if they follow the book ending with Kelvin and Veir, you’re gonna be even more frustrated, bc that forgiveness definitely didn’t make sense there at all. I didn’t see one single point of him staying with him after everything. with SSY & HY, SSY’s forgiveness made sense due to background, his parents situation and the fact that secretly HY gave him what he needed and their relationships are multi-sided on many aspects due to characters not being black and white, but here if it ends the way the book ends it’s just gonna be just plain illogical, just bc as you said he’s “just evil” with a emphasis on just. Again I would reconsider if they change the ending but I don’t see it happening, so judging from your comment about abo and to my shore not making sense, this is gonna be twice as worse for you

in general for these “forgiveness” to work characters must emotionally and characteristically match for it to make sense, like Than is just a bit of a masochist and just purely worships Pheem being a manipulative ass or Sheng just wanting to feel weak for once in his life and be protected

and also I disagree actually about soundtracks and vibes, from the beginning I thought that credits are incredibly cheerful plus a lot of situations like with the ‘wanted’ poster in the restaurant were played out at first as comedy vibes, it changed after ep3 only I think, but it again just proves how different the perception is for everyone, which is what makes discussions fun

and that’s why I said that “if that was the creators goal, then it’s okay and they succeeded”.

but even when the character is fully irredeemable and just pure bad like Xue Yang for example, it can still be executed and portrayed in a way that can make ppl discuss it for ages and make it kinda iconic and I’m just saying that I don’t see it happening here. and for that I blame writing and execution bc something is lacking here. but it’s okay if you disagree

p.s. tho I still think the goal was to ride on the wave of the controversial characters ppl love these days, after all this specific bunch of Chinese novels (simple language, short toxic little characterisation ones) will be a hit or miss depends on how you choose to deliver it. again tho if the goal was to make him simple bad with zero emotional impact except for one straight line of flat bad, it’s also a-okay

LOL what? have you read what I’ve written? the whole point is to write it in a way that you’re confused why you’re conflicted by immorality of it all, no one watches toxic dark shit for “good to triumph”, idk where you got that. I’m saying that there’s no emotional duality of what you usually feel while watching such characters, like with Fan Xiao, Vegas, Pheem etc. here you just feel one thing. again as I said in my original comment if that was the goal of the writers, they succeeded. But I’m pretty sure their goal was to follow up the popularity of toxic characters who bring up controversial arguments between ppl and twist the morals making you wonder “why oh why I feel like this”.

The whole point is to dislike these characters in many aspects but at the same time feel like there’s more to it than just simple moral boundaries and just simple “evil”, that’s what makes it so intriguing. That’s why the ability to write it in a way that will make ppl invested in such stories is very fine art as you say.

And yes, that’s exactly why I put “happy ending” in quotes, but with this writing even this they won’t be able to sell, it just doesn’t fit with this interpretation, yet I doubt that they’re gonna end it differently.

You say what makes him different is that “he’s selfish, driven by revenge, keen on gaining power and willing to hurt his man in the process”, but that’s the description that fits way too much toxics in TV series, I mean, Pheem even shot Than trying complete this revenge. But due to the way they showed his story it made people feel that specific feeling of “that’s horrific, but I can’t fully hate him”.

I get that you’re trying to make it deeper than it is by saying it’s “not romance, but the tragedy”, but I’m 99% sure they will follow the books “happy ending” of I quote “he’s mine to love, his craziness is mine, even his traps and schemes are all mine, his love is mine” which is just not it, the writing at this point just won’t be able to pull this off out of what they’ve done. It’s just emotionally impossible. And I’m almost fully sure they’re NOT trying to sell it as a deep tragedy and realistic psychological thriller, it also doesn’t work in that direction. Same as schemes do not have the same thrill effect as in much more well executed in this aspect shows. And even if you write a full on tragedy in this aspect of dark “love” (which you can’t fully call love ofc), you still gotta make ppl feel the internal conflict, like with Xue Yang for example. But this one just isn’t here. Cause you only feel one side. Aka “someone maybe shoot him” lol

So my point was that it’s not working in both aspects, nor in serious dark (bc it’s not that clearly and can’t pull it off and I’m pretty sure won’t), nor in the dark romance which ppl are so into these days. But again that’s to me. I think it’s the reason why it didn’t bomb. But again to each their own, you say you find it thrilling, proves again that it’s different for everyone.

I’m just wondering what the hell was happening in the creators’ minds. This is clearly not the serious kind of show where they examine the mental illness, realistic consequences etc, it was clearly supposed to be that one that you “wanna ship despite it being toxic”, but the problem is that they’ve failed completely in that department bc it’s written in a way where I can’t imagine anyone being into this pairing. And yes, in the novel they do end up together (even tho the characters aren’t same as these ones).

It’s definitely not the HuaSheng, ThanPheem situations which are as the story goes surprisingly easy to accept due to the storyflow and characterisation and somehow at the end it seems like it’s just pure love in between. And even with Fan Xiao/ShuLang Vegas/Pete even tho it’s not for me and too much, the way the story and characters are written I could at least see why it works as ships for some ppl. But here it’s just.. sorry, but no effing way lmao they cannot be serious about thinking that many would jump on that. 1st it’s just not the type of toxic that ppl can consider hot (but they try to sell it as such), 2nd the writing and execution of storytelling is so bad that it’s just… bad. Like sorry, I’m bad at explaining, but it’s like giving “disgusting I rolled in dirt feeling”, not the emotional rollercoaster you’d want from toxic stories (whether it’s serious toxic or unserious toxic), it just doesn’t work in any department imo.

Tho if the main goal of the series was to make us want Kelvin to die without having any deep controversial feelings about his character, just simply wanting him to die, then it worked. Otherwise idk what’s the goal of this creation. Imo the whole point of good written toxic series/pairing is to make you feel conflicted in every way possible, touch all the strings of your heart and break your sane brain in a good way and in this case it’s just not it.

Kelvin imo was supposed to be that kind of character that you’re not supposed to root for, yet for unknown reason are rooting. That’s the best part of watching toxic characters. Where your logical brain becomes illogical. And here something went wrong in that department. He’s not that. It’s just the bunch Hua Yong, Pheem, Vegas are so charismatic and the way they’re written and executed you illogically are on a bad side and with Kelvin I don’t feel that (again if that was the purpose then good job, but I truly think the creators wanted him to join the group above yet it didn’t work). And obviously sadly he’s is not gonna die and the ending I assume is gonna be same as novel and just thinking about after watching these episodes makes me just wanna say.. what a strangeass writing, I just can’t imagine who’s gonna be happy for this pairing or even remotely moved by their story. It would feel like you just sat in a garbage. Although they say there is something for anyone out there. Pls reply if you ship them. I wanna know how lolz

My verdict is it’s a strangely written and made show. And not good kind of strange for me.

Also the timeline thing is a dumb decision, not bc it’s hard to follow, it’s very easy actually, but just bc…. Why lol? It’s doesn’t make the show more interesting, it just makes you not be able to fully feel everything you need, bc you gotta emotionally jump into different places every 10 minutes. I get that attention span is short lately and most ppl need everything to change constantly, but to me that’s just diabolical decision. I’m confused at who thought it was a genius idea lol I assume they probably really thought it’s creative idk

Also novel itself was bad and I thought they would improve it, but they managed to make it worse, which I didn’t think was possible and it’s a bit funny.

Btw I in no way demeaning FP, I think their chemistry is fire and acting is good, but I really think they did them dirty with the writing and the execution. They could’ve easily written this in a way to make a new toxic pairing bomb since those are a clear fad esp lately with the rise of dark romance. But I honestly don’t think Kelvin can become an icon and fall into the line of iconic toxics. It’s just not working, sorry. Don’t throw tomatoes at me lol