I might have to peek in here just to see what Nan Suk is wearing :) Her super long fuzzy black fur coat with a red / patterned shirt was a WOW.
But I realized the exact moment when I decided to drop this drama. It was the moment in ep 58 where JW (dressed in black dress with a white bow) sits with HR and repeats the same thing, AGAIN... !!!! The same words, the exact same facial expression and body language, exact exact exact replica, as JW in ep 58 is the same old JW as in ep 1, ... bitching how she hates HR and cannot stop trying to destroy her and will keep trying to expose and destroy... .
I was like... ooough... enough... JW said the EXACT same thing before and had a whole round of that and the only thing that came out of it is her causing the death of her father. SO ANOTHER ROUND OF THAT??? Please no thanks. I am out :)
As a non religious person I can say I know many non religious people who like cross jewelry for the design. As…
LOL yes cook/grandma seem not christian but even christians do that :) there are many books, reports, videos, etc on current christians in the USA doing exorcisms, spirit tongues, etc :) And I am not talking about African Americans, who are a given there... ... I am talking about Bible Belt conservative whites....
I was thinking the cross earings could be a little 'foreboding" sign of NS's future repentance and turning to a good girl ;)
I dont think NS has gothic fashion.... I think NS fashion is feminine sexy FUN FUN FUN... so ... "I am enjoying myself, I am so beautiful, notice me" ... That lacy black chocker was not ghotic but "victoria secret black lace" comeon imo. I have not seen NS in black leather jackets and metal spikes....
NS's fashion style is ****luxurious glam**** sexy frilly flamboyant fiery shiny and very feminine, with much feel from 1930s, like... those old movies from spies and high level prostitutes in the night life in Paris... I would not be surprised to see Nan Suk with a feather boa... We already saw her in a fancy french coat with belt to accent the waist, and a designer scarf around her head and big sunglasses, sooooo Paris fashion diva style.. . Her fashion is clearly a feminine "commeon let's have FUN" sensual meow femme fatalle love me all night long, not "stay away but if you must we will hurt each other" gloomy torturesome heavy sex=violence gothic.....
Her fur coats and throws, gaudy jewelry like 5 strands of pearls with rubies, gold chains, most recently pearl necklaces and earings, feminine ruffles and decolte, vivid bright colors - lots of bright red too, tight feminine cuts, sequins, sparkles, and rather soft feminine makeup with dreamy accented eyes are more "Victoria Secret" runway-luxury-expensive-fashion sexy and original. Most recently, where is her dark redish-brown lipstick that matches her hair? That was soooo femme fatalle like from 1930s.. ...
NS fashion is like .... Victoria Secret... Like ... Las Vegas.... Like Paris high society .... Like a high society kept woman... with fur coats and jewelry ....
NS is more along the lines of a Paris high fashion diva... I bet her clothes would be really expensive boutique pieces in real life. They also seem rather unique. (I am not sure where the drama found NS clothes but they are quite something, It is possible to find some of the pieces in cheap stores as imitation that is good enough for the drama, but in real life, NS would be going to some expensive luxury store for brand names and real gold and gems.)
NS's fashion is amazing :) With her fashion, she claims herself as a luxurious sexy dominant woman. It is a very very very loud feminine MEOW.
In contrast, Hye Ra looks like a head of a monastery LOL Hye Ra fashion is boring at best.
It is astonishing that no man dared to tackle this fabulous NS meow yet. Her fashion is just screaming for male attention. She is the kind that turns all heads. You HAVE to look at her and say WOW.
I am not sure if Manager Gu is an eunuch and that makes him immune, or he has just seen too many killings and is afraid to step forth, but ...
if some dude stepped in a lot earlier to really love this passionate kitty NS, I bet a lot of these murders and bad stuff could have been avoided
Indeed bc ... this is a drama labeled as "for females age 15-24" . I finally saw that label somewhere…
warning: ppl dont want to hear it. The audience here is like a cult, no criticism allowed :) I am studying this and making connections with a super high demand in real life for dating coaches like ... Stephen Speaks (as a good one who detoxes ppl from fake myths and fantasies that this drama promotes, ater ppl suffer) or some really bad ones, like Matt, who bases his coaching on something like this drama...
I attribute it to the dumbing down of society. Apparently many people would rather watch this vapid shit-show…
it is for 15-24 yr old females... so... it serves as alcohol substitute - turn off your brain and watch some cute guy acting as a cute puppy in love ... and ... some skinship scenes to top the fantasy :) Indeed this is utterly naive.. But these are 15-24 yr old girls without any life experiences and without discernment. This drama in real life ends as sexual harassment at work and FL being fired, and/or divorce in 1-3 yrs when ML gets tired of the passive weak liar her and finds someone new and interesting
This might be the most overhyped drama in recent years.
yup 15-24 yr old females needing a Cindirella story with a cute puppy in love prince charming.... Better fantasy than achieved by alcohol... both this drama and alcohol turn the brain off
Oh my God we all need therapy after Jang Ki Yong's scene in the bathroom and his lil dance
gees such low standards. A quick trip to a surf land in Hawaii or maybe Cali in summer when they are out of bodysuits, or hula or Tahitian halao, or traditional African dance, or basketball courts in some ghetto will show you zillion guys even more gorgeous, and REAL
Indeed bc ... this is a drama labeled as "for females age 15-24" . I finally saw that label somewhere else and it PERFECTLY sums it up. ML acting as a cute puppy to appease fantasies of the immature
This drama is leading to sexual harassment at work case and FL losing her job, and/or divorce after 1-3 yrs tops, probably tied to cheating by ML
FL has not done anything to maintain this relationship
She is so selfish and crude to call 2ML on his confession instead of saying I AM DATING JH
Hm the FIRST scenes are a very super dumb FL who does not even ask her lover wtf is written in the papers and assumes that what some actress writes in the papers is true - and then ditches the love of her life based on THAT...... So Suk Hee who is supposedly a future lawyer, has IQ of about 10.
So what COULD come later in this drama if the beginning is already a rotten sexist trope??? ... THE KIND DUMB POOR INSECURE NON-COMMUNICATING FL..... Hm.. as I contemplate watching this drama..
To be honest, I wasn’t fully satisfied with the ending. Yes, the major players received consequences — the…
btw I assumed that Se Ri lived with Lucia and TG and just came to visit GC..... but .. do you really think she does LIVE with GC...??? after all that "my mom Lucia" lovey dovey.... ??? or is living with GC her penance? But then how about Lucia who "lost" her second daughter... ??? Would Lucia let her away like that...... ???
This is so weird, Lucia was Se Ri's mother yet at the end - do they live together??? Is Se Ri just visiting GC, or living with her, as some ppl claim... ??? Seems like I slept through most of the last episodes, it was so boring LOL but I dutifully wanted to finish it so that I could complete this (boring) chapter in my research project called "what works and what does not work in a kdrama"...
this drama was like a cartoon, good guys always did stupid stuff and got out unscratched by sheer luck. I wonder which audience this is intended for. .... Any ideas?
I like to finish a drama when I start watching it bc sometimes there are lulls in the script, and then it gets back on track. BUT I gave this soapy soap enough benefit of the doubt. Now, I am out. I might drop in sometimes to check what Nan Suk is wearing. Good bye everyone, maybe see you somewhere else online.
It is better when they are actually doing something instead of just talking about it. How many times are we going…
Those are "stupid spoiled brat rebellious teenager dissing it to their idolized parent" scenes and they look very american. I was almost expecting JW to go out and start doing drugs in a gang in rebellion. Luckily kdramas do not go that far but what is shown here is not much better either, JW basically made her own gang and went on a rampage.. JW caused death of her father and has ABSOLUTELY NO inkling about it and even goes around getting herself a private butt sniffer dog Ha Neul. Yikes yuck disgusting. Bye this drama.
This is just another show written by a woman shoving her feminist agenda. Just look at this show, a ML who is…
No this is not feminist, it is a fantasy to escape the current patriarchy, sexism, and inequality between men and women by letting the women fantasize of a world where they ARE STILL IN THAT WORLD BUT MAGICALLY "WIN" . This has absolutely nothing to do with feminism... this drama is sexism, 100%, straight from 1950s or 1850s lol... .
It promotes a cruel controlling overbearing man who SOMEHOW behaves nicely to JUST this one chick .... bc he wants to bag her. So he is into sexual harassment at work, etc etc etc and it is all seen as signs of his great love. And the woman is dumb, spaced out, chronic liar, from poor background, insecure, scared of life, BUT KIND AND WILLING TO FAST JUMP INTO BED, and she never does anything for the relationship and waits for him to push it forward.
This is a story of a patriarchal society crushes, how ppl get together on wrong note - all in heat - and how so many marriages end up in divorce.
Have you seen anywhere in this group here any inkling they even understand the concept of character growth? Before ep 9, there were so many comments that DR is a kind and good person and should not change ANYTHING. Now, that's rad.... All comments are "yes but ... she had to lie.. " "yes but ... he is not really doing sexual harassment at work, he just loves her so much."
In real life, this drama ends up with the woman losing her job and maybe even having a baby she did not plan on. In real life, best case, this drama ends up with JH getting bored with this bed partner and moving onto the next one, and a divorce in about 1-2 years.
FL and ML have nothing to talk about, their relationship is based on him feeling an urge to mate and pursuing her. Once that heat is used, there will be nothing left in about 1-3 yrs at most.
THIS DRAMA IS LIKE ALCOHOL, to turn your brain off and fantasize of a better world where you, the underdog, call the shots.
Why is Nan Suk wearing crosses as earings.... ? Is this some cheap advertisement for christian church, how even a crazy villain wil get saved by churchianity? Or are the earings to show that churchianity is practiced by many villains? There is way too much advertising of churchianity lately in so many kdramas. Only The Defects addressed the deep issues of homophobia, exploitation and hypocrisy of it. So many other dramas include marketing gimicks
Gosh this is boring. JW actress is a terrible actress and that pouty face from ep. 1 is the same face in ep 58, and I am tired looking at it. WHY DOESNT SHE TAKE ACTING LESSONS??? JW as a rebellious dumb teenager, , spewing blind accusations and holding her bio mother to impossible standards. HN too... HN too is a kid angry at NS bc she self defended against his father who beat up NS **** and him, his own child Ha Neul ***** and did all kinds of horrible things.
The script is trash. Two little children in adult bodies trying to act revenge against their mothers who are half angel and half devil, and meanwhile... the kids keep trashing SH and caused death of FL's bio father KB and they think it is totally cool. They treat KB and SH as chess pieces in their game, not as real persons. THE AMOUNT OF DISRESPECT AND ENTITLEMENT BY JW AND HN IS DISGUSTING.
JW cannot see she is the same kind as her mother? acting on her greed no matter how many ppl she would destroy in the process.... and that she, JW, caused the death of her father, by causing the trouble that pulled KB out into the danger? What an idiot JW. Same old same old in ep 58 as in ep 1. Should she not be a little bit different by now? For one - why doesnt the actress take come acting lessons and learn to act?
I am out of here for now. I am not sure who this drama is for? Some ... rebellious dumb teenagers? what is going on... ????
In any case, I think it is time for a better script writer and some acting lessons. There are only 41 episodes left
At this point, I am rooting for Seon Hoon to put an end to all these people using him like he is their piece of furniture and they just put him where they see fit - JW, HN, HR, JTS, NS, YC have been behaving as his slave masters
I think he should get so enraged to really grow up and figure out how to STOP THE PIMPS FROM PIMPING HIM ALL THE TIME
it is making Seon Ho actor act a lot better :) his role is suddenly getting super extra more complex. The permanent sacrificial lamb... I hope he goes bananas on all of them and stops ppl from just using him all the time..
I guess... he has to be quiet and go along until he inherits the company, and then he can get rid of everyone using him - YC, NS, HR, his dad, and of course JW and HN :)
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But I realized the exact moment when I decided to drop this drama. It was the moment in ep 58 where JW (dressed in black dress with a white bow) sits with HR and repeats the same thing, AGAIN... !!!! The same words, the exact same facial expression and body language, exact exact exact replica, as JW in ep 58 is the same old JW as in ep 1, ... bitching how she hates HR and cannot stop trying to destroy her and will keep trying to expose and destroy... .
I was like... ooough... enough... JW said the EXACT same thing before and had a whole round of that and the only thing that came out of it is her causing the death of her father. SO ANOTHER ROUND OF THAT??? Please no thanks. I am out :)
I was thinking the cross earings could be a little 'foreboding" sign of NS's future repentance and turning to a good girl ;)
I dont think NS has gothic fashion.... I think NS fashion is feminine sexy FUN FUN FUN... so ... "I am enjoying myself, I am so beautiful, notice me" ... That lacy black chocker was not ghotic but "victoria secret black lace" comeon imo. I have not seen NS in black leather jackets and metal spikes....
NS's fashion style is ****luxurious glam**** sexy frilly flamboyant fiery shiny and very feminine, with much feel from 1930s, like... those old movies from spies and high level prostitutes in the night life in Paris... I would not be surprised to see Nan Suk with a feather boa... We already saw her in a fancy french coat with belt to accent the waist, and a designer scarf around her head and big sunglasses, sooooo Paris fashion diva style..
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Her fashion is clearly a feminine "commeon let's have FUN" sensual meow femme fatalle love me all night long, not "stay away but if you must we will hurt each other" gloomy torturesome heavy sex=violence gothic.....
Her fur coats and throws, gaudy jewelry like 5 strands of pearls with rubies, gold chains, most recently pearl necklaces and earings, feminine ruffles and decolte, vivid bright colors - lots of bright red too, tight feminine cuts, sequins, sparkles, and rather soft feminine makeup with dreamy accented eyes are more "Victoria Secret" runway-luxury-expensive-fashion sexy and original. Most recently, where is her dark redish-brown lipstick that matches her hair? That was soooo femme fatalle like from 1930s.. ...
NS fashion is like .... Victoria Secret... Like ... Las Vegas.... Like Paris high society .... Like a high society kept woman... with fur coats and jewelry ....
NS is more along the lines of a Paris high fashion diva... I bet her clothes would be really expensive boutique pieces in real life. They also seem rather unique. (I am not sure where the drama found NS clothes but they are quite something, It is possible to find some of the pieces in cheap stores as imitation that is good enough for the drama, but in real life, NS would be going to some expensive luxury store for brand names and real gold and gems.)
NS's fashion is amazing :) With her fashion, she claims herself as a luxurious sexy dominant woman. It is a very very very loud feminine MEOW.
In contrast, Hye Ra looks like a head of a monastery LOL Hye Ra fashion is boring at best.
It is astonishing that no man dared to tackle this fabulous NS meow yet. Her fashion is just screaming for male attention. She is the kind that turns all heads. You HAVE to look at her and say WOW.
I am not sure if Manager Gu is an eunuch and that makes him immune, or he has just seen too many killings and is afraid to step forth, but ...
if some dude stepped in a lot earlier to really love this passionate kitty NS, I bet a lot of these murders and bad stuff could have been avoided
This drama is leading to sexual harassment at work case and FL losing her job, and/or divorce after 1-3 yrs tops, probably tied to cheating by ML
FL has not done anything to maintain this relationship
She is so selfish and crude to call 2ML on his confession instead of saying I AM DATING JH
Middle school drama...
So what COULD come later in this drama if the beginning is already a rotten sexist trope??? ... THE KIND DUMB POOR INSECURE NON-COMMUNICATING FL..... Hm.. as I contemplate watching this drama..
this drama was like a cartoon, good guys always did stupid stuff and got out unscratched by sheer luck.
I wonder which audience this is intended for. .... Any ideas?
Good bye everyone, maybe see you somewhere else online.
It promotes a cruel controlling overbearing man who SOMEHOW behaves nicely to JUST this one chick .... bc he wants to bag her. So he is into sexual harassment at work, etc etc etc and it is all seen as signs of his great love. And the woman is dumb, spaced out, chronic liar, from poor background, insecure, scared of life, BUT KIND AND WILLING TO FAST JUMP INTO BED, and she never does anything for the relationship and waits for him to push it forward.
This is a story of a patriarchal society crushes, how ppl get together on wrong note - all in heat - and how so many marriages end up in divorce.
Have you seen anywhere in this group here any inkling they even understand the concept of character growth? Before ep 9, there were so many comments that DR is a kind and good person and should not change ANYTHING. Now, that's rad....
All comments are "yes but ... she had to lie.. " "yes but ... he is not really doing sexual harassment at work, he just loves her so much."
In real life, this drama ends up with the woman losing her job and maybe even having a baby she did not plan on. In real life, best case, this drama ends up with JH getting bored with this bed partner and moving onto the next one, and a divorce in about 1-2 years.
FL and ML have nothing to talk about, their relationship is based on him feeling an urge to mate and pursuing her. Once that heat is used, there will be nothing left in about 1-3 yrs at most.
THIS DRAMA IS LIKE ALCOHOL, to turn your brain off and fantasize of a better world where you, the underdog, call the shots.
There is way too much advertising of churchianity lately in so many kdramas. Only The Defects addressed the deep issues of homophobia, exploitation and hypocrisy of it. So many other dramas include marketing gimicks
JW as a rebellious dumb teenager, , spewing blind accusations and holding her bio mother to impossible standards. HN too...
HN too is a kid angry at NS bc she self defended against his father who beat up NS **** and him, his own child Ha Neul ***** and did all kinds of horrible things.
The script is trash. Two little children in adult bodies trying to act revenge against their mothers who are half angel and half devil, and meanwhile... the kids keep trashing SH and caused death of FL's bio father KB and they think it is totally cool. They treat KB and SH as chess pieces in their game, not as real persons. THE AMOUNT OF DISRESPECT AND ENTITLEMENT BY JW AND HN IS DISGUSTING.
JW cannot see she is the same kind as her mother? acting on her greed no matter how many ppl she would destroy in the process.... and that she, JW, caused the death of her father, by causing the trouble that pulled KB out into the danger? What an idiot JW. Same old same old in ep 58 as in ep 1. Should she not be a little bit different by now? For one - why doesnt the actress take come acting lessons and learn to act?
I am out of here for now. I am not sure who this drama is for? Some ... rebellious dumb teenagers? what is going on... ????
In any case, I think it is time for a better script writer and some acting lessons. There are only 41 episodes left
I think he should get so enraged to really grow up and figure out how to STOP THE PIMPS FROM PIMPING HIM ALL THE TIME
I guess... he has to be quiet and go along until he inherits the company, and then he can get rid of everyone using him - YC, NS, HR, his dad, and of course JW and HN :)