InspectorMegre

Yup :)

Same. If they kill Seo Rim, I am out. If they keep Seo Rim out for too long, I am out.

Wow ok then we diagnosed the problem. DK is a total trash drama, with sexual predator and sexual harassment at work and abuse by ML, and a super weak. lying, running away FL, and it was super interesting bc of so much skinship and "sexual tension" by VIOLENCE. I think that drama is evil. The behaviors are COMPLETELY immature and off the deep end. Those two ARE the teenagers... toxic disfunctional

Ok so now I totally understand why you dont like this drama. This drama is ADULTS quite mature adults, functional adults, so yes, to you it will be boring. In fact, there is nothing more to talk about :) I cannot help you. Farewell

Yes and no.
A man who allows molding may resent and reject it - which happens a lot in real life lol Many chikdren do it, and many passive partners who are trying to mold themselves to their partner to appease the partner and then ... rebel LOL And in the worst case, after a forced bsing... like this https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=1320315596798286&set=a.469499821879872

and a man who is molded can break and remold - although it is very rare and typically happens as a result of a major calamity that brings people to their knees... so dont ever wait for it.

At this point, anything is possible in this drama. Shin could break after that lunch if some calamity forces him to his knees.... Albert can grow super fast into a grand leader..... We have no way to predict how Cupid will hit FL... or the guys.... and who will want whom after all, if any.
Let's see :)

She is just one of many. Enough of starving the artists...

We donate to feed starving children in some country in Africa but we demand that artists - and general population!!! - look like starving children in some country in Africa
And..... this demand for this skeleton look is super discriminatory bc so much of Earth population will NEVER fit that standard, genetically and by life demands.

Also, this skeleton standard of beauty is super useless and only for those who have the money to NOT have a daily job and have the time to lay on the couch all day....

I would rather judge the beauty on some WORK that was put into it, like a yoga practitioner, samba queen, belly dancer, Tahitian or hula dancer. taichi or kungfu person, an athlete of any kind, a surfer, etc Those are bodies AND GOOD HEALTH that is sculpted through proper movement and proper food and lifestyle, and will last you a good life for 100 years. THAT is what I want to promote.

And forget these anorexic moping-around-lifeless-tired-pale-exhausted - there is nothing there...

*** Bs-ing all of us that the anorexic look is beautiful is totally like the story of EMPEROR HAS NO CLOTHES *****

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN THIS SKELETON LOOK

She is just one of many. Enough of starving the artists... We donate to feed starving children in some country in Africa but we demand that artists - and general population!!! - look like starving children in some country in Africa

I dont want to talk about this particular actress. Clearly she has so many exuses. Let her do her thing, I dont care if she collapses from malnutrition, that is HER CHOICE. I will not watch her skeleton drama LOL

I think she and others are doing this skeleton look bc someone thinks it is a "cool look". What a bs....

When I was in school, one of my classmates looked like a kactress skinny, and the principal called the parents to complain that she was MALNOURISHED

Imo these skinny actresses and actors look strange... Thin legs in a mini skirt looks like skeleton bones clunking, the knees look like globs, the thin arms are scary.... and a male who has some muscles but looks super thin from the side... looks punny...

And all those super pale faces, dull and dropping, no rosey cheeks or some color and breathing, the face shows the body is clearly malnourished and EXHAUSTED from lack of nutrition.... The bags under the eyes, the lack of glow in the skin, the inability to smile...
IT IS NOT PRETTY AT ALL. CUT IT OUT. IT IS NOT SEXY. IT LOOKS DRAINED AND EXHAUSTED . CUT IT OUT!!!!

IT IS UNHEALTHY. CUT IT OUT!!!!

So I dont care to talk about this actress, I am not gonna watch a drama with a skeleton.
What I want to talk about is all of us!

This is such a great chance to bring up the meta issue - the UNREALISTIC DEMAND TO ALL ACTRESSES AND EVEN MALE ACTORS TO LOOK SUPER SKINNY
this 10% body fat unreasonable demand -

and all the news, magazines, fashion shows, dramas, , etc ALL PROMOTING THIS ANOREXIC SKELETON LOOK,
RUINING HEALTH AND CHECKBOOKS AND LIVES OF *** ALL OF US ***

We - as all the people in the developed world - are all shown those skeleton images as beauty standards to follow, but it is impossible...... so we are made to feel guilty and TO SPEND TONS OF MONEY AND EFFORT TO ACHIEVE THAT IMPOSSIBLE STANDARD - AND/OR TO HIDE OUR LACK OF SUCCESS -

meanwhile those same kind of skinny images are shown as starving kids in some country in Africa and we send them aid for food...

Meanwhile, we are trying to hide the fact we eat food and we are TRYIING to look like starving kids in some country in Africa!!!!!

so we spend money on diets, clothes, pills, injections, gyms, pads, surgery, etc etc etc to "be beautiful" and/or to hide the fact that we are not looking like a teenage boy.

It is unhealthy on so many levels. For example, hormonal system needs 20-30% body fat to function. Internal organs need body fat and us eating healthy food and healthy fat and having a solid set of functional muscles that we can use all day long and last through our daily routine without falling dead exhausted.

We need TO BE FIT, and have a body that can last through a work day without problems, and allow us to do what we want to do and BE HAPPY AND HEALTHY.

And all these adds for malnourished skin-and-bones people are asking us to be lifeless, weak, sit-on-the-couch-all-day ppl with severe health issues and inability to do fun things in life.

Marylin Monroe is a fat pig compared to these new "beauty standards". But Marylin is so lively and so super sexy, so much more than any one of these PALE LIFELESS PLASTICIZED SKINNY ROBOTS.

SO NUFF OF BSING US INTO THIS NONSENSE

People come in all sizes and frames and shapes, and everyone needs to eat well and exercise and be in shape and fit for their particular physique. Some are naturally thin and frail, some are more muscular, some are more bulky, but EVERYONE has to be eat well and be fit -

everyone from the frog to the mangoose to the lion to the giraffe to the buffalo to the elephant - EVERYONE HAS TO GET THROUGH THE DAY WITH ENERGY AND ENTHUSIAM AND BE RADIANT, LIVELY AND HAPPY

and that is possible only if the body is healthy - which means, good nutrition, good exercise, outdoors, good sleep, good breathing and sweating it out. Can't run your body-car without the "gasoline" of proper food and without functional working muscles in shape!

So in summary: I vote we promote overall good health as beautiful, and we celebrate RADIANT heathy vibrant energetic dynamic people in all shapes and sizes

I really see no point in promoting someone who looks like they are gonna die from exhaustion bc they have NO ENERGY to live their life

This is such a great chance to bring up the meta issue - the UNREALISTIC DEMAND TO ALL ACTRESSES AND EVEN MALE ACTORS TO LOOK SUPER SKINNY
this 10% body fat unreasonable demand - and all the news, magazines, fashion shows, etc all promoting that, ruining health and check books of so many people

We are all shown those images as beauty standards to follow, but it is impossible, so we are made to feel guilty and TO SPEND TONS OF MONEY AND EFFORT TO ACHIEVE THAT IMPOSSIBLE STANDARD - OR TO HIDE OUR LACK OF SUCCESS -

so we spend money on diets, clothes, pills, injections, gyms, pads, surgery, etc etc etc to "be beautiful" or to hide the fact that we are not looking like a teenage boy.

It is unhealthy on so many levels. For example, hormonal system needs 20-30% body fat to function. Internal organs need body fat and us eating healthy food and healthy fat and having a solid set of functional muscles that we can use all day long and last through our daily routine without falling dead exhausted.

We need TO BE FIT, and have a body that can last through a work day without problems, and allow us to do what we want to do and BE HAPPY AND HEALTHY.

And all these adds for malnourished skin-and-bones people are asking us to be lifeless, weak, sit-on-the-couch-all-day ppl with severe health issues and inability to do fun things in life.

Marylin Monroe is a fat pig compared to these new "beauty standards". But Marylin is so lively and so super sexy, so much more than any one of these PALE LIFELESS PLASTICIZED ROBOTS.

SO NUFF OF BSING US INTO THIS NONSENSE.

I disagree. She is promoting malnutrition and anorexic look and lifestyle.

i disagree :) also, they are apples and oranges... radiant season is for very young audience having fun :) Our Universe is about hard work and rewards in becoming an adult.

See my response above to babyKyo

Ok if you are soooo sure that ep 2 is much better, I will check it out . But if it is not .... you owe me :) Just kidding.

I doubt that their camera and video people changed and got rid of choppy fast scenes. And I seriously dread seeing the zombie FL. But I will check it out - for like 10 mins at most. I have no time to waste.

Ok this is something specifi, thank you for this specific example.
Unfortuntely, I do not remember that scene... What episode was that, approximately what time or what was happening? Where were they? What was the context? I will find that scene.

Generally, I forgive some amount of cringe in a drama LOL Why? Because it is to be expected :)

First: characters in a drama/movie/any story MUST START "LACKING", with flaws and/or problems lol - it has to be like that, bc there has to be serious flaws, lacking, ommissions, misdeeds, previous trauma, ongoing attack and/or misunderstandings etc etc etc etc to create the story :)
and then the drama/movie/story consists of overcoming that ....
So it is to be expected that some cringe will happen, and heavily at the start... then it should start resolving and disappearing.... (and in some cases, never be totally gone LOL )

WHERE do you draw the line how much is "dragging the cringe phase" ? That is a very personal thing. To you, this drama dragged it too much. To me this drama passed the test.

Second: it is also personal what kind of cringe the audience is willing to tolerate LOL Lazy scriptwriters like to use tropes and stereotypes, bc they are sure the audience will can accept that particular type of cringe and the drama will "sell".

Third: A common cringe in asian dramas is a weak dumb irrational loser MARGINALIZED AND POOR AND POWERLESS woman who is KIND, and an overbering controlling cold wounded RICH POWERUL man who gets healed by her kindness.... this is the cringe that Asia is willing to tolerate ... this cringe is based on sexism and women as "lesser ppl" - so you get lots of scenes of FL in confused anxious state, yelling, doing stupid things, crying, etc and ML with a poker face saving this damsel in distress from HERSELF!!! ....
(Sexism is a global disease, so in the western version of this trope, the woman is broke, pretty and willing to lay down, and you get to see a lot of s.x - related scenes and a lot of push up bras and cleaveage and car chases.)

Fourth, Asian dramas are too often sexist and use stupidity of women, esp FL, to create the plot. That is asian drama #1 fundamental flaw :) and luckily is slowly going away
It is ok to start like that, and it is great that 99.9% of kdramas have a transformational ending.

What we call "bad dramas" drag the transformation too long... And "good ones" resolve it fast. And practically all of them are a lot better than something western. kdramas at least have creative stories and plot and unique characters, and are usually about positive lifestyles and messages. So... Ii take some cringe in a kdrama rather than something meaningless, lewd and violent. So... I have to forgive some flaws in my chosen form of entertainment LOL but never give hope that it can be even better :)

Fifth: kdramas have various acting styles and means of conveying the message, and they heavily rely on comedy and making things light and making fun of various situations so that we can see what is really going on - that makes kdramas so fun - and that comedy can be very sophicated and dry, can be super polite and subtle, can be face/body language, something said, a funny camera angle, .... ... can be in so many forms, all the way to recklessly silly and exeggarated theatrical behaviors, to make sure to convey the message LOL
The point is that the auduence gets the message :) So - we the audience go along with the ride :) we watch the story presented to us and we think what is it trying to say....?

Sixth: amateur audience always wants to redo the drama they want it but it is not possible. The script writer had their own ideas. Also, the drama picks the most important points, it is NOT the real life. We do not get to see every single detail as if in real life. So chill out and allow it.

So if ML/FL were hiding and looking back - was it one of those exaggerations... or a cringe... I will check :) Also, you may have never done that, but other ppl might do that :) so it might not be unusual... Then I see you complained about not seeing a bump, etc. THAT was not importnt to the drama.. and the drama is about the first 1-3 months so realistically, there is no bump to show... I also thought with the amount and stress and anxiety, she would have miscarried five times LOL but ... it is a drama... that was not important... so ..... who cares :)

I also thought that it was abusive to ask her to drink and silly that she could not stand up to it - but I also understand that it is actually how it is in real life... ... drinkers HATE those who do not drink, the boss was super abusive to the "nobody" FL .... ... - and FL is trying to be on the friendly side of her colleagues and boss, and keep her job and a good work environment.... It was educational to see how the boss changed when she realized FL has backing.... Those are actually important and realistic messages..

This drama uses the well known tropes - the insecure weak blind loser FL ("I am gonna have a baby all on my own and keep my job and I dont need anyone") and petty controlling ML ("give me all tthese reports back on Monday") - ....... BUT IT DID NOT LAST LONG. AND IT WAS NOT TOO BAD. IT WAS REALISTIC, many ppl would go through such a phase LOL and these drama characters luckily quickly overcame it.

Imo this drama is a pioneer in gender equality and rational thinking ability and communication ability ..... it often starts with a trope - bc the audience is so used to it - but then twists it into something totally new and different, rather fast. So there was no dragging and being stuck. The development moved along really fast and it was interesting to watch for us, imo.

At the start of this drama, FL was professionally competent and had some personal cringe to start with - not too much- and pretty fast was shown as a competent strong CEO's wife material who talks things through, rationally, and helps her darling in many ways... ML was a petty spoiled arrogant brat but quickly got wiser and softer too....

In this drama, QUITE FAST, ML and FL formed a strong team in clear honest communication. THAT is precious :) ML started already from like ep 2... and FL totally turned around by ... ep .. 5? I forgot.

I dont know how many kdramas or cdramas you watched, but FL *could* have started and stayed almost to the end as a loser... and never really became strong... like in dramas Would you Marry Me, Dynamite Kiss, etc...

I remember seeing some cringe scenes like that at the start of this drama, but luckily ... this FL was totally not bad :) She got very wise very fast :) And ML too :)


So I would like to know which scenes bothered you because that will tell me where your personal line is. Everyone has a different personal line..
Like in Our Universe drama - someone saw 2-3-4 episodes, wrote a super bad review how ML is a man child, etc , and dropped the drama, all angry..... . But the man-child was used at the start for comedic and real life effects, spoiled selfish man not interested in children... BUT it got quickly reversed and by ... ep 4 or 5 for sure. ML was a very caring father figure and connected to the baby. But that bad reviewer wasnt willing to risk waiting for it LOL

So .... where you draw the line of how much cringe is too much, and how much you are willing to tolerate to get to the good stuff - is YOUR CHOICE
Btw, it is a gamble, bc sometimes good stuff just does not happen, like in Dynamite Kiss,..... and sometimes the development is so mature and wonderful, like here where she becomes true CEO's wife material and he becomes softer AND stronger

I repeat myself - HOW SPECIFICALLY they spoke and acted. PLEASE GIVE ME EXAMPLES. Describe some scenes and what they did/said that irritated you.

****I have no idea what you mean bc your answer is too generic.**** Just saying you disliked how they spoke and acted is too generic - I NEED SPECIFIC EXAMPLES of what they said/did.

Ah whatever you think, it is yours.... .
Since your comment is not specific, I have no idea what you meant by it... and based on your crude tone, I have no further interest in hearing from you :)
If you dont like what I write, just block me. Don't waste my time and your time.
Farewell.

Ah I see your point.
What I responded to is "2 - The leads are in their 30s, probably closer to their 40s, yet they behave like teenagers, not just because they are inexperienced in love but in general. I will be 32 next month and I stopped acting like this when I was at most 18 or 19." YOU DID NOT SAY WHICH BEHAVIORS IT WAS AND I ASSUMED YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT S.X BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE POSTED ABOUT THAT so I kinda lumped you all togehter bc I couldnt think of anything else you were referring to.

If you meant something else , then I thank you for brining my attention to fix this misunderstanding, and I would like to hear what you meant.

SO - what speciifically were you referring to? What specific behaviors are "teenage" ?

Oh yeah that for sure :) and FL too... I am surprised both of them are so stupid on that topic....

Ah I see your point.
What I responded to is "2 - The leads are in their 30s, probably closer to their 40s, yet they behave like teenagers, not just because they are inexperienced in love but in general. I will be 32 next month and I stopped acting like this when I was at most 18 or 19." YOU DID NOT SAY WHICH BEHAVIORS IT WAS AND I ASSUMED YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT S.X BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE POSTED ABOUT THAT so I kinda lumped you all togehter bc I couldnt think of anything else you were referring to.

If you meant something else , then I thank you for brining my attention to fix this misunderstanding, and I would like to hear what you meant.

SO - what speciifically were you referring to? What specific behaviors are "teenage" ?

Ah I see your point.
What I responded to is "2 - The leads are in their 30s, probably closer to their 40s, yet they behave like teenagers, not just because they are inexperienced in love but in general. I will be 32 next month and I stopped acting like this when I was at most 18 or 19." YOU DID NOT SAY WHICH BEHAVIORS IT WAS AND I ASSUMED YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT S.X BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE POSTED ABOUT THAT so I kinda lumped you all togehter bc I couldnt think of anything else you were referring to.

If you meant something else , then I thank you for brining my attention to fix this misunderstanding, and I would like to hear what you meant.

SO - what speciifically were you referring to? What specific behaviors are "teenage" ?

Please provide specific examples of their behavior that looks teenage to you. like "children playing pranks" and "silly"

I really do not understand what you are talking about
There are tropes and makjang and cultural stuff etc there are lots of scenes that are "theatrical" etc so in order to understand what you meant, I need specific examples

for example: when she is sleeping in the hospital and he tries to touch her hand but pulls himself back - is that teenage to you?

If you can provide me examples of what you meant, then I can understand what you are saying

Omg. I give up. You are not talking with me but rehashing your complaining. It is IMPOSSIBLE to get a webtoon on screen and you are insisting that's the only choice for you. So - go ahead, be frustrated forever since you chose to be :) I am not interested i talking with you. Bye.